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[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by dawn27

OK sure...

So, let me get this straight...Are you trying to say that just because I am a breeder who places her puppies at 8 weeks makes my advise and opinion less worthy or creditable than a breeder who does not? That among other things. Your posts about testing before breeding and stud fees is very indicative of your level of expertise, knowledge and experience. Add to that the fact that you give shots at 6-7 weeks. Your health guarantee is questionable (90 days?). You won't pay for shots if you keep a puppy past 9 weeks. You use the APRI registry. Seriously, many of your practices go against what is considered important when looking for a reputable breeder.

Are you a breeder? I owned a female dog (a bitch means something else to me) as a child that wasn't spayed (blame my parents, it was the 70's) and she tied with an undetermined male through the chain link fence. Delivered 6 puppies 9 weeks later. I'm a breeder! That is literally ALL it takes. Being a reputable breeder is so much more.

Apparently, I struck a nerve. I guess I would just like to ask what your motivation is for breeding? Are you attempting to improve the breed? I won't apologize for believing that this is critical when making the decision to breed. This is MY opinion.

I would consider myself a dog fancier. Yes, I own a Yorkie, I study, I am involved with rescue. I enjoy attending AKC dog shows. I think you - and others that choose to ignore the basic guidelines of being a reputable breeder - should tread more carefully than us lay people. Advice is completely different than opinion.

I'm not trying to start controversy. And I have no interest in getting into a pissing match with anybody. I'm just answering your question. Again, agree to disagree.

[chomper09]

i worked as a vet tech and the average age a puppy is let go to new homes is from 7 wks on up.... you have nothing to worry about.....hope you make the right decision....

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by dawn27

OK sure...

So, let me get this straight...Are you trying to say that just because I am a breeder who places her puppies at 8 weeks makes my advise and opinion less worthy or creditable than a breeder who does not?

Are you a breeder?

you want the honest truth...YES!

if you do the reasearch you will see that 12 weeks is preferred by almost all REPUTABLE yorkie breeders and also the YTCA so therefore you are NOT a credible source to be listening to because you are going against the suggestions of the parent club.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by chomper09

i worked as a vet tech and the average age a puppy is let go to new homes is from 7 wks on up.... you have nothing to worry about.....hope you make the right decision....

Again, there is a difference between physical readiness and developmental readiness.

To the OP:
I'm glad your breeder has agreed to keep her a bit longer. You will be rewarded with a dog who is more ready to make the transition to a new home. Kudos to you for doing your research. Good luck with your new baby.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Again, there is a difference between physical readiness and developmental readiness.

People need to understand that vets are not breeders and most are actually quite clueless about the ins and outs of dog breeding other than how to perform the x-ray check ups and a c-section if needed. granted there are many things we have to trust our vets with, but breeding is better left up to those that have been doing it all their lives.

also vets are not behavioralists so they do not understand complex dog emotions and mental and social needs of the dog. even trainers and behavioral experts are not always going to know breed specific needs like the breeder with the most experience in directly working with that breed does.

trust a reputable breeder NOT the vet, the techs, or the trainers. reputable breeders are usually involved in or linked to the dog's parent club and know the ins and outs of that breeder better than any general practicing trainer or vet.

[ArmaniMan]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

trust a reputable breeder NOT the vet, the techs, or the trainers. reputable breeders are usually involved in or linked to the dog's parent club and know the ins and outs of that breeder better than any general practicing trainer or vet.

Yeah THAT ^- there used to be a vet tech who worked at our old vet who was constantly asking my mom if she would breed one of her poodles to this girls male poodle- one of my moms poodles is going blind from PRA (a genetic condition), the other had LP surgery at a year old. That's when I learned that most people who work in vets offices know nothing about breeding. By the way both of my mom's poodles were altered at 6 months old- guess this tech kept overlooking that very important aspect

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Again, there is a difference between physical readiness and developmental readiness.

To the OP:
I'm glad your breeder has agreed to keep her a bit longer. You will be rewarded with a dog who is more ready to make the transition to a new home. Kudos to you for doing your research. Good luck with your new baby.

And there are some states that have laws that make that illegal.

7 weeks that would be without any vaccinations....geez! don't know if I'd want a pup no vaccination let alone with only 1 vaccination....needing the 2nd before the pup has enough antibodies to fight off a life threatening disease.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

And there are some states that have laws that make that illegal.

7 weeks that would be without any vaccinations....geez! don't know if I'd want a pup no vaccination let alone with only 1 vaccination....needing the 2nd before the pup has enough antibodies to fight off a life threatening disease.

Mary I don't know if you remember this but this crazy person sitting here was stupid enough at the time to not only buy a pup at about 7 1/2 weeks old but begged the idiot breeder not to give any shots at all so that all shots would be done by my vet and with my knowledge and approval...crazy of me, but at the same time that's how little i began to trust that idiot breeder...didn't want him giving anything to my pup because i don't trust him at all giving vaccines...

also he was originally letting her go at 5 weeks if he thought she was eating on her own ok. thank GOD she wasn't yet!!! He was also stupid enough to take the mommy away from the pups and return mom to the kennel with the other bitches and leave puppies alone to fend for themselves...that i think is the turning point when i went from trusting him...to saving her. i hate that i put money in his pocket but i'm so glad i got her out of there and away from him

dunno why i brought this up. just that i made a foolish run of decisions and how much nicer it would have been to have a pup at 16 weeks with all shots done and starting on pee pads already...OH! and one that doesn't BITE me for the rest of her life...she's better but still not perfect darn her!

[teacup0819]

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme

I am appreciative of all the posts and such I have gotten here. Only a couple hurt my feelings some but I know they came from a good place. Because of the advice here, he is staying longer than I had originally arranged for, she knows I want copies of all testing that has been done on him and his parents, vet release for him and proof of his first shots and such when I go to get him, of course she knows now he has to weigh at least 2 pounds that day and I know a lot of great advice to have on hand in case anything goes wrong.

I understand everyones passion, heart and wisdom that have gone into the responses so I am learning and paying attention to each of them.

So thank you all. As for home date, it will depend on when Riley is ready and I know he will have more chance of a great start cause of this thread and the advice given here. I can't walk away from him, I won't even apologize for that weakness. I would frankly rather deal with the loss of respect that I will get from a few you than undo my promise to him. It has been a couple weeks since I met him I think and yet I can still remember the way he felt in my hands and the look on his face. I was already bonded and I can't help that now.

That being said IF I ever consider myself able to have another yorkie, I will be going to a YT recommended breeder and make sure he/she is 12 wks and everything else I have learned here will be followed to the letter.

Very happy to hear that your breeder is willing to let him stay with her and his mom a little longer...every day helps.

Sorry to hear that some comments hurt your feelings, but it is nice to know that you understand how passionate people on this forum are. Most who responded to you to wait etc...were doing so for the well-being of the pup...they have your yorkie's best interest at heart.

You are fortunate to have heard from some of the most knowledgeable people on this forum and I am glad that you have followed their advice. I think we all understand how easy it is to fall in love with these guys and impossible it would be to just walk away.

Whenever you bring your pup home, you will be much more prepared.

Enjoy your new little one when he arrives...I cannot wait to see his 1st home pictures!!

[smoochy_poo]

Looks like a lot of us got our puppies before they were 12 wks old. I got Hercules at 8 wks and he was only 1 lb 4 oz. I didn't know about the 12 wk recommendation either. I've only had him for 4 weeks but he has gained almost a lb and he is happy and healthy. The breeder I got him from bred yorkies and German Shepards, and came recommended from a family member who bought a GS puppy from her 4-5 years ago. I'm convinced that she wasn't the most experianced breeder when it came to yorkie's but she definately loved her animals, including the puppies and took excellent care of them. To me, that matters more than how long she has been breeding yorkies.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by smoochy_poo

Looks like a lot of us got our puppies before they were 12 wks old. I got Hercules at 8 wks and he was only 1 lb 4 oz. I didn't know about the 12 wk recommendation either. I've only had him for 4 weeks but he has gained almost a lb and he is happy and healthy. The breeder I got him from bred yorkies and German Shepards, and came recommended from a family member who bought a GS puppy from her 4-5 years ago. I'm convinced that she wasn't the most experianced breeder when it came to yorkie's but she definately loved her animals, including the puppies and took excellent care of them. To me, that matters more than how long she has been breeding yorkies.

I'm glad has worked out for you so far.

Length of time breeding does not add validity to anyone's expertise. You can have some of the worst breeders that have been breeding for 20-30 years and some of the best breeders only breeding for 2. It's all in the knowledge/education they have gathered prior to breeding.

Loving an animal is an emotion, along with that love is responsibility to insure the welfare of those animals and the ones you bring into the world is first and foremost.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Mary I don't know if you remember this but this crazy person sitting here was stupid enough at the time to not only buy a pup at about 7 1/2 weeks old but begged the idiot breeder not to give any shots at all so that all shots would be done by my vet and with my knowledge and approval...crazy of me, but at the same time that's how little i began to trust that idiot breeder...didn't want him giving anything to my pup because i don't trust him at all giving vaccines...

also he was originally letting her go at 5 weeks if he thought she was eating on her own ok. thank GOD she wasn't yet!!! He was also stupid enough to take the mommy away from the pups and return mom to the kennel with the other bitches and leave puppies alone to fend for themselves...that i think is the turning point when i went from trusting him...to saving her. i hate that i put money in his pocket but i'm so glad i got her out of there and away from him

dunno why i brought this up. just that i made a foolish run of decisions and how much nicer it would have been to have a pup at 16 weeks with all shots done and starting on pee pads already...OH! and one that doesn't BITE me for the rest of her life...she's better but still not perfect darn her!

Your heart came into play with this one. It's hard not to give into that.....
I get from people so many times that they want a younger pup than 16 weeks so they can bond with them, never understanding that a pup 16 weeks can handle situations a lot better and bond very well.

Remember there is no perfect dog. My Delilah her is a pain in the arse...a difiant teenager....How'd you like to have her stacked on the table waiting for the judge to examine her and the whole time she's growling under her breath. Or try to to stack her on the floor and pushing my hand away with her nose as if to tell me don't touch me, I can do it.....

[jennzy]

HI! just like what the other posters have said, don't be afraid to post. i ask silly stupid qu estions all the time! & as i ahve been there, there are no stupid questions, only stupid immature answers
that being said sorry if some of us came across mean on your other post. its often hard to tell the tone of voice on the internet so sometimes things come outo harsher than we really mean. i remember i was one of the person who commented on your post and at least with me i didnt mean it in any negative form or meant dont get the puppy, etc. i too have read 12 weeks is the standard so i was stating what i knew.

also as many members have mentioned, they have adopted their pups before the 12 week mark. That being said, i got Coco at 15 weeks and she was a handful so I can't imagine what kind of work will be needed for 8 weeks old pup.

It seems like you genuinly do care about this dog and its well being (hence u've taken our advices to heart) & the fact you checked the health of the parents & the puppy & the living situation, I think you will give the new baby puppy lots of love and care.

I would say go for the puppy but please do not leave this forum! this is the greatest resources for your puppy because yorkies are different from other breeds!
<3 <3

[concretegurl]

Mardelin and I have "butted heads" or disagreed on several occasion about some differences in opinions (I make no secret of not liking Yorkie Talk treated as Yorkie Terrier Club of America Talk...I don't agree with the stated opinions of many people at times and they don't agree with me but that's fine...it's life. So there's no "funny business" in my making these statements. This is the reality and truth as I see it, I've been here a little while now too.

Mardelin has her opinions of Parti breeding etc. Having said that...I have never seen Mardelin being judgmental of people other than when animal welfare was concerned-even then she's offered advice- and despite our differences of opinions on somethings it would be ludicrous for anyone not to recognize her expertise on Yorkies and concern her advice to critical, and to be taken into serious consideration. I have literally researched so much lately because I want to understand what people are talking about on here and what is best adn Mardelin more than knows what she's talking about but I'd hope she'd write a book on it at some point because her advice is quite invaluable. ( I'd hope she'd go easy on the Parti part LOL)

Mardelin,
I'm more than sure you and I will disagree again, probably many more times, but I had to say I'm personally irritated that you offer up such great advice (in Yorkie care, grooming, training, -yes breeding too- etc) as an expert and people are not only unappreciative but insulting of it.

(free advice from an expert geez that's common right-?-No it's not at all, it's something everyone should listen to and appreciate the opportunity to get IMO)

Even if you have a difference of opinion with someone I'd hope everyone could overcome that to take sound, expert advice when it is such and drop the bias or differences long enough to listen...

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by dawn27

OK sure...

So, let me get this straight...Are you trying to say that just because I am a breeder who places her puppies at 8 weeks makes my advise and opinion less worthy or creditable than a breeder who does not?

Are you a breeder?

First, I am not a breeder and never could be.

The fact that you are a breeder will make your comments and advice be viewed with a more critical eye.
People come here looking for advice on past, present, and future puppies.
There are reputable and not so reputable breeders on this site. People on YT are passionate about the breed and want to help educate.
So the fact that you breed outside of the standard, sell and release at ages that are against what is recommended, register with questionable registries are all "red flags" that people will point out.