Afraid to post but need to...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Here enlies the problem...misinformation from some who states by profession they should know better in the least...there's a lot to worry about!




OP already worked it out with the breeder...hopefully breeder will begin correct practices and join TY too!
The topic shifted a bit to explaining WHY people hear misinformation so much-especially from ppl who should know better and why a 12 week minimum is best.
I can't wait to hear the OP's posts in a couple weeks and pic of their pup!

Originally Posted by dawn27

fj ojpohggibnkkmvlm

And this means what? You've been a breeder for what, maybe 2 minutes....

The misinformation you are posting could very well lead to someone losing their pup to distemper/parvo....or a rabis vaccine. If you are willing to take on that responsibility for your own pups, so be it.

But keep in mind there are vets out there that have not updated their vaccination protocal since they've left vet school, aren't involved extensively with keeping up to date with what is being studied and out there being researched. Six weeks for initial vaccination is not what is recommended by Vet Colleges, or the Board of Vets.

I hope your vet is up on the LS BAT Protocol? It has changed.....and if done incorrectly can lead to false positives or false negatives...both serious business and life threatening to a Yorkie. I also hope that your vet knows how to perform surgery on a yorkie with LP or Leggs Perthes or HP. All three can show up in a yorkie at any given time.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I was more concerned about the comments on ensuring and advocating in the misinformation it was okay to give s**ts at 6-7 weeks...misinformation stinks-but it's the nature of an open forum...nice to have enough people to clarify the truth and why such is wrong and adverse is better. people need to do a lot of research before getting a pup let alone breeding...

LOL watch now I'll get all my mistakes pointed out--oh well as long as correct informative, responsible care is spread...I'll take one for the team of right.many people make mistakes out of misinformation and not knowing better...hope they'd learn and correct it...I do...daily.

It's so hard for people to get correct information especially on an open forum if 10 people quote something negative or misinformation and one person is saying what's correct...what seems to be the truth to the uniformed person coming seeking advice...?

Giving shots at 6-7 weeks was a big one for me too! You are making such a good point! Dawn 27 admits she is "a bit lacking in the knowledge department" and also says that she is "a good breeder because I thrive to learn" -- which would be good if she remained in the sponge mode, soaking up information instead of arguing with more experienced, better-educated breeders about practices which are outlined well on the YTCA.ORG site. It does not take much research to find where the YTCA recommends no yorkie pups be taken from the dam until after 12 weeks. If a person is truly interested in coming here to improve their knowlege base and knows it is seriously lacking, then WHY would they give out advice?

When I give advice, I do so with a valid reference in mind. I know I have only experienced two litters of Yorkie pups and do not want to give out information that might have worked for these 2 experiences but are not the normal recommended protocols. So, I read, and read some more, always knowing I am giving out the best information I can. If I am giving an opinion, I try to be careful to say so. I don't mean to say this breeder cannot give out her experiences, but when it comes to matters of breeding practices -- she should make sure "her opinion" is also what is recommended by the Breed Parent Club and/or better educated breeders. If not, then she should preface the post with -- "my opinion (and I am still learning) is ....." or something like that so newbies doing research do not take it as factual, recommended information. I like even my doctors to say "I don't know but I'll find out" rather than just spout information off the top of their head which may or may not be right. None of us know it all -- but together we can get pretty close IF we stick to valid information that can be backed up by reference.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Giving shots at 6-7 weeks was a big one for me too! You are making such a good point! Dawn 27 admits she is "a bit lacking in the knowledge department" and also says that she is "a good breeder because I thrive to learn" -- which would be good if she remained in the sponge mode, soaking up information instead of arguing with more experienced, better-educated breeders about practices which are outlined well on the YTCA.ORG site. It does not take much research to find where the YTCA recommends no yorkie pups be taken from the dam until after 12 weeks. If a person is truly interested in coming here to improve their knowlege base and knows it is seriously lacking, then WHY would they give out advice?

When I give advice, I do so with a valid reference in mind. I know I have only experienced two litters of Yorkie pups and do not want to give out information that might have worked for these 2 experiences but are not the normal recommended protocols. So, I read, and read some more, always knowing I am giving out the best information I can. If I am giving an opinion, I try to be careful to say so. I don't mean to say this breeder cannot give out her experiences, but when it comes to matters of breeding practices -- she should make sure "her opinion" is also what is recommended by the Breed Parent Club and/or better educated breeders. If not, then she should preface the post with -- "my opinion (and I am still learning) is ....." or something like that so newbies doing research do not take it as factual, recommended information. I like even my doctors to say "I don't know but I'll find out" rather than just spout information off the top of their head which may or may not be right. None of us know it all -- but together we can get pretty close IF we stick to valid information that can be backed up by reference.

I'm not sure but, checking on Dawn's Profile she's a young mother whose occupation is an in-home child care providor.....Breeding done correctly takes up a lot of time, no outside interferance, especially young children......Young children require 100% of one's attention, so do you dam's that are whelping and raising newborn pups.

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by dawn27

fj ojpohggibnkkmvlm

I'm really confused by your response. Not the gibberish above, but the red verbiage within my post. You included the link to the website, but also state your vet does not vaccinate on the same schedule. Previously, you posted that the vaccination schedule backs up the info you posted. So I don't understand your point. Does your vet vaccinate your pups at 6-7 weeks as the schedule indicates?

As you stated in one of your posts this is an open forum where opinions can be expressed, discussed, debated etc. I would like to hear your point of view but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by dawn27

fj ojpohggibnkkmvlm

I'm going to defend dawn here for a second. I think what happened is that she quoted a previous poster and put her comments inside the quote (in red). The system here will not let you submit just a quote. It requires you to put something else in outside of the quotes to get it to post.

[143julz]

WOW did this thread get lost in translation

OP, your pup is adorable, can't wait to see more pic's You might have to start a new thread with them

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Please don't start ragging on my Veterinarians / So un-cool !

I am not a veterinarian, and neither are you, so therefor we/ I must follow the recommendations of my family vet. Who has knows my dogs from day one. Plus I have gone to the same vet for the past 25+ yrs since I have owned my very first kitten.

Below is a link to a web site that backs the information that was posted, thank you!!


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2115&aid=960

Please post your vet's contact information if they do give shots at 6-7 weeks they won't mind stating such...

No I am not a vet, but you assumed that because you don't know me...or you just assume?
Do you know about my med school background as well-which fields I studied in-all of my work experience, schooling?

I wasn't raggin' on your vet...but I can Especially if what they are doing is based on "older schooling" which is no longer taught or recommended based on more recent research and information

What's "un-cool" to me is spreading misinformation as truth...
YOUR LINK: does NOT coincide with what you are saying (at all) either: it says "could" and 25% (at most)-if you further verify the sources of your link they are averaging based on a small study of larger breed pups...ye a lot to learn for some people.
Here's the exert from your link you posted in support of your statement:
"At six weeks of age, 25% of the puppies could be immunized. At 9 weeks of age, 40% of the puppies... "

Again I don't want to seem picking on you, I wasn't please take some time to start reading and researching very thoroughly. Especially if you are breeding you need to be set up to educate others correctly (and yourself) while being set up for success...

I'd love to someday be a breeder/show: when I win the lottery, my kids are off or out of college, I have the time and energy to devote to such a task, and after about 20 years of research, including a lot of reading from reliable sources, and hands on learning from top qualified breeders with the breed I'd love to breed...so I'm learning now not doing and learning as I go...

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I'm going to defend dawn here for a second. I think what happened is that she quoted a previous poster and put her comments inside the quote (in red). The system here will not let you submit just a quote. It requires you to put something else in outside of the quotes to get it to post.

That's what I figured, too.

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Please post your vet's contact information if they do give shots at 6-7 weeks they won't mind stating such...

I actually don't think that is necessary. I'm not even clear on what protocol her vet actually follows after the contradictory posts.

[TexasKat08]

Hey Kim -

Just wanted you to know you are in my thoughts as this was the week Riley was initially supposed to come home with you. Hope he is doing well. Keep us posted on his progress!

[Teegy]

he's scrumptious

[EsmeeKimme]

Thanks for all the kind comments and interest, of course the continued support that you all have posted here.

I talk to her at length yesterday on the phone, he is doing very well. From what she says he is eating kibble like a champ and his momma is no longer nursing them. He and his siblings are busy playing up a storm. So at this point just waiting to see what happens. He will be rechecked by the vet to make sure he is still progressing well at the end of the week.

I am just hanging back and waiting UGH lol

[TexasKat08]

Love your signature line . . .

[EsmeeKimme]

Originally Posted by TexasKat08

Love your signature line . . .

hehe ty

[dawn27]

I am going to leave you all to your discussion, leave me and my vets practices out of it. Thank you very much. The battery on me, my integrity, my opinions and my comments is growing old.

I'm leaving this thread with some good input in information form some and have put up with a lot of crap from so many others. I look forward to hearing form all of you again, With so many wonderful things to say, I'm sure...

Good Night!!