Wow!! - YorkieTalk.com Forums

mauirobin · 03-09-2011, 01:03 PM

I know I'm still new.....

But several times I have not posted what I thought, this time I'm posting.

This site is supposed to be educational. There is a common belief that unless you are a shower, or a breeder of champions, and god forbid you had an accidental pregnancy....you will be 'booed off the stage" if you will, if you are new.

Several times over the last few weeks, I've seen newbies come & go because they had a question about something you all deemed controversial, & attacked them. Granted, if we feel that the newbie needs to get their dog to the vet ASAP, things can get heated, but that's an emergency, & urgency is needed.

However, when someone has a gestation or pregnancy question, instead of jumping on the bandwagon as some of us do, how about answering the question? Linking some good "dangerous" threads, things that can or will go wrong, etc.?

They will figure out the rest for themselves if they hang around & read. If you scare them off their first day, we have not educated them, & they actually leave us uneducated, & with a feeling that we are just nutz over here. I'm sorry, but I have seen a few members who seem to thrive on starting controversy in threads. They have tons of posts, so I'm aware that they are probably valued members here and I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I just feel new folks should get helped before torn up into shreds.

chachi · 03-09-2011, 01:14 PM

Well after youve been here a while longer and see enough newbie breeder threads you may see why they get alot of the responses. Should people really be getting answers to something as important as putting their dogs life at risk to breed from an online forum or should they be doing extensive research and having a mentor. I understand what your saying though and see unnecessary comments also

dexterandalana · 03-09-2011, 01:22 PM

i understand your point and some people can be harsh to newbies. but most are doing it out of love for the breed and animals. far too many people are ignorant of the facts of how unnecissary dog breedings are a direct cause of the over population of shelters and rescue groups.

i urge anyone who is thinking of breeding their dog just because they think their dog is cute, or just to make a couple bucks without being serious to read this article....

My Name is Sam | Life With Dogs

having soooo many unecissary litters in north america is a direct cause of stories like this to happen EVERY DAY.....

miabellaamoure · 03-09-2011, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauirobin

I know I'm still new.....

But several times I have not posted what I thought, this time I'm posting.

This site is supposed to be educational. There is a common belief that unless you are a shower, or a breeder of champions, and god forbid you had an accidental pregnancy....you will be 'booed off the stage" if you will, if you are new.

Several times over the last few weeks, I've seen newbies come & go because they had a question about something you all deemed controversial, & attacked them. Granted, if we feel that the newbie needs to get their dog to the vet ASAP, things can get heated, but that's an emergency, & urgency is needed.

However, when someone has a gestation or pregnancy question, instead of jumping on the bandwagon as some of us do, how about answering the question? Linking some good "dangerous" threads, things that can or will go wrong, etc.?

They will figure out the rest for themselves if they hang around & read. If you scare them off their first day, we have not educated them, & they actually leave us uneducated, & with a feeling that we are just nutz over here. I'm sorry, but I have seen a few members who seem to thrive on starting controversy in threads. They have tons of posts, so I'm aware that they are probably valued members here and I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I just feel new folks should get helped before torn up into shreds.

Well, you got one out of three correct...I'll just let ya figure out which one.

jojomima · 03-09-2011, 01:31 PM

I agree with all of you....but......

If the negative comments are made with courtesy and kinder words perhaps the newbies wouldn't be scared off.

I know sometimes you want to just scream and shout, but it doesn't exactly transfer to posts.

Sometimes the threads get really nasty and I don't believe there is a reason for that.

IMO

Rhetts_mama · 03-09-2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachi

Well after youve been here a while longer and see enough newbie breeder threads you may see why they get alot of the responses. Should people really be getting answers to something as important as putting their dogs life at risk to breed from an online forum or should they be doing extensive research and having a mentor. I understand what your saying though and see unnecessary comments also

Honestly, I am in awe of the breeders who will still answer questions here. I'm sure they walk a fine line between wanting to do what's best for the dog and not wanting to encourage breeders who ,either through ignorance or indifference, didn't bother to find out the facts and work with a mentor BEFORE breeding.

I'm sure they have to be sick of the "I wanted to breeder her because my mom/husband/kids/neighbor wanted a free dog/wanted the experience/thought I could make a few bucks threads. None of those are valid reasons for breeding while there are so many unwanted dogs being PTS every year in the U.S.. The 'oops' breedings are just as bad, if not worse IMO, because it's 100% preventable.

Stick around long enough and you will see how many don't even bother to start preparing until it's literally D-day.

Bottom line, an online forum is no substitute for a real life mentor.

Bellasmom30 · 03-09-2011, 01:48 PM

As I agree with you mostly, I also feel there are two sides to every story. That being said, I'm sure alot of members who have been here for awhile have seen/heard too many things that have made them uneasy. As a result they may tend to overreact.

I am a newbie myself, and have already seen some posts that have made my jaw hit the floor! That alone has made me react a certain way to other future posts about a same topic. I'm guilty, I'll admit it.

At the end of the day I think most of us share the same passion here. Our love for animals and their safety. Different people react differently to different situations. Did I say different enough?!

Unless someone is just COMPLETELY out of line when posting a response such as name calling, breaking YT rules, etc then I feel any OP should be aware that not EVERYONE is going to share their same views. Some are more "blunt" about it than others, but the message is still the same. I am fully aware anytime I post that there may be someone on here with different views than what I'm stating and may verbalize that to me. That is when I put on my thick skin and remember that I came here asking, and should be prepared to hear all kinds of answers. Even if it's one I may not like or necessarily want to.

dexterandalana · 03-09-2011, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojomima

I agree with all of you....but......

If the negative comments are made with courtesy and kinder words perhaps the newbies wouldn't be scared off.

I know sometimes you want to just scream and shout, but it doesn't exactly transfer to posts.

Sometimes the threads get really nasty and I don't believe there is a reason for that.

IMO

totally agree...there is a right way and a wrong way to educate.... no one responds well to being made to feel stupid. most people simply do not know better. a little kindness goes a long way

ArmaniMan · 03-09-2011, 01:54 PM

Sometimes people need to hear the truth, and the truth can't always be sugarcoated. If people don't like it here there are other places for them, but this always has been and will continue to be the best, most informative, and busiest yorkie forum.

Tayluvheryorkie · 03-09-2011, 01:55 PM

I am very new here myself, And I have seen the threads, and I do a lot of reading here.

I think some the answers IMHO come from a place of being helpful. I also feel they could out of some folks not having some common sense (or just not using it). The response are a reaction of that.

mauirobin · 03-09-2011, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dexterandalana

totally agree...there is a right way and a wrong way to educate.... no one responds well to being made to feel stupid. most people simply do not know better. a little kindness goes a long way

All great responses so far. "I am Sam" made me cry.

babbsiam44 · 03-09-2011, 02:04 PM

Alana...thank you for the story, I just cried and still am...hiding my tears from my Granddaughter(I don't feel like questions right now).

To the OP..I do not think it's attacking when those up here explain EVERYTHING that can and that HAS happened in any given situation posted. Only by experience is sound advice(more than none) given.

If those who are new here are looking for answers well, that's what they get, but, not just a "topical ointment" for the situation but a whole in depth diagnosis.

If they leave or think those up here are nuts, then they have shown they do not care for the answers they came looking for. What did they want? For their situation to be sugar coated? Think about it...why would anyone up here even bother to answer if they didn't care?. Just to scare them off?

Yes, this is an educational forum....from kindergarten to a masters. I do not think that anyone would want anybody to just "figure" out the rest but to be well aware of...I'll say it again...what can and HAS happened.

I have seen post go off the charts too. But I ain't running scared or pissed or upset.

Like the movie/book about "Horton Hears a Who"......We are here, We are here.....WE ARE HERE!!!

Patti · 03-09-2011, 02:16 PM

I know it can seem unwelcoming to new people who come on here with questions regarding pregnant dogs and they feel like they are being yelled at. I think it's best if we can try and help them understand the reason people get upset when hearing of another pregnant dog in a positive manner even though we may want to scream. I still think anyone who is thinking of breeding should have to spend a few days at a local shelter and see the faces of these now unwanted dogs. I volunteer at a shelter every Wednesday and every week I do the files on the new intakes and it is heart breaking to see the reason's these innocent babies ended up here. Look at their scared faces wondering why am I here, looking at everyone who comes by to see if it is their owner coming to get them. It is so depressing I don't think anyone, or most anyone could see this and still want to breed just for the heck of it.

yorkietalkjilly · 03-09-2011, 02:29 PM

If one is not prepared to take a stand, press it hard and defend it, what good is a forum? We can get pure information and reading material about dogs anywhere - books, magazine articles, vet hand-outs and brochures, and on the internet. I think they come here for more than information - I think they are looking for advice and opinions. The more forceful comments I have seen were made by YT'ers trying to get the OP to take some meaningful, beneficial action for the dog in question or find out what is really behind the original post or in the OP's thinking. I sure hope YorkieTalk.com never changes this format.

yorkietalkjilly · 03-09-2011, 02:43 PM

So many Sam's. So many existing through life in puppy mill cages. So many chained in back yards in all weather. So many in homes of people that just ignore them and don't really even give them basic care until it is too late.

03-09-2011, 01:03 PM	#1
mauirobin Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 224 Blog Entries: 3	Wow!! I know I'm still new..... But several times I have not posted what I thought, this time I'm posting. This site is supposed to be educational. There is a common belief that unless you are a shower, or a breeder of champions, and god forbid you had an accidental pregnancy....you will be 'booed off the stage" if you will, if you are new. Several times over the last few weeks, I've seen newbies come & go because they had a question about something you all deemed controversial, & attacked them. Granted, if we feel that the newbie needs to get their dog to the vet ASAP, things can get heated, but that's an emergency, & urgency is needed. However, when someone has a gestation or pregnancy question, instead of jumping on the bandwagon as some of us do, how about answering the question? Linking some good "dangerous" threads, things that can or will go wrong, etc.? They will figure out the rest for themselves if they hang around & read. If you scare them off their first day, we have not educated them, & they actually leave us uneducated, & with a feeling that we are just nutz over here. I'm sorry, but I have seen a few members who seem to thrive on starting controversy in threads. They have tons of posts, so I'm aware that they are probably valued members here and I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I just feel new folks should get helped before torn up into shreds. __________________ Mom of Button's, Yogi, Mercedes & Jillian

03-09-2011, 01:14 PM	#2
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Well after youve been here a while longer and see enough newbie breeder threads you may see why they get alot of the responses. Should people really be getting answers to something as important as putting their dogs life at risk to breed from an online forum or should they be doing extensive research and having a mentor. I understand what your saying though and see unnecessary comments also __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

03-09-2011, 01:22 PM	#3
dexterandalana Dreamin' of Dexter Donating YT Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: toronto, Canada Posts: 1,612	i understand your point and some people can be harsh to newbies. but most are doing it out of love for the breed and animals. far too many people are ignorant of the facts of how unnecissary dog breedings are a direct cause of the over population of shelters and rescue groups. i urge anyone who is thinking of breeding their dog just because they think their dog is cute, or just to make a couple bucks without being serious to read this article.... My Name is Sam \| Life With Dogs having soooo many unecissary litters in north america is a direct cause of stories like this to happen EVERY DAY..... __________________ Alana - Proud mommy to Dexter & Peppermint Dexter's Ruff Life on: You Tube Facebook Twitter Blogger

03-09-2011, 01:48 PM	#7
Bellasmom30 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Royse City tx Posts: 341	As I agree with you mostly, I also feel there are two sides to every story. That being said, I'm sure alot of members who have been here for awhile have seen/heard too many things that have made them uneasy. As a result they may tend to overreact. I am a newbie myself, and have already seen some posts that have made my jaw hit the floor! That alone has made me react a certain way to other future posts about a same topic. I'm guilty, I'll admit it. At the end of the day I think most of us share the same passion here. Our love for animals and their safety. Different people react differently to different situations. Did I say different enough?! Unless someone is just COMPLETELY out of line when posting a response such as name calling, breaking YT rules, etc then I feel any OP should be aware that not EVERYONE is going to share their same views. Some are more "blunt" about it than others, but the message is still the same. I am fully aware anytime I post that there may be someone on here with different views than what I'm stating and may verbalize that to me. That is when I put on my thick skin and remember that I came here asking, and should be prepared to hear all kinds of answers. Even if it's one I may not like or necessarily want to. __________________ Mom to five children, one Yorkie Bella and a Maltese Sugar

03-09-2011, 01:54 PM	#9
ArmaniMan I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 3,895	Sometimes people need to hear the truth, and the truth can't always be sugarcoated. If people don't like it here there are other places for them, but this always has been and will continue to be the best, most informative, and busiest yorkie forum. __________________ Armani & Chloe

03-09-2011, 01:31 PM	#5
jojomima Owned by Shadow Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Medford, NJ, USA Posts: 576	I agree with all of you....but...... If the negative comments are made with courtesy and kinder words perhaps the newbies wouldn't be scared off. I know sometimes you want to just scream and shout, but it doesn't exactly transfer to posts. Sometimes the threads get really nasty and I don't believe there is a reason for that. IMO

03-09-2011, 01:55 PM	#10
Tayluvheryorkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pooler, GA USA Posts: 200	I am very new here myself, And I have seen the threads, and I do a lot of reading here. I think some the answers IMHO come from a place of being helpful. I also feel they could out of some folks not having some common sense (or just not using it). The response are a reaction of that.

03-09-2011, 02:04 PM	#12
babbsiam44 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,132	Alana...thank you for the story, I just cried and still am...hiding my tears from my Granddaughter(I don't feel like questions right now). To the OP..I do not think it's attacking when those up here explain EVERYTHING that can and that HAS happened in any given situation posted. Only by experience is sound advice(more than none) given. If those who are new here are looking for answers well, that's what they get, but, not just a "topical ointment" for the situation but a whole in depth diagnosis. If they leave or think those up here are nuts, then they have shown they do not care for the answers they came looking for. What did they want? For their situation to be sugar coated? Think about it...why would anyone up here even bother to answer if they didn't care?. Just to scare them off? Yes, this is an educational forum....from kindergarten to a masters. I do not think that anyone would want anybody to just "figure" out the rest but to be well aware of...I'll say it again...what can and HAS happened. I have seen post go off the charts too. But I ain't running scared or pissed or upset. Like the movie/book about "Horton Hears a Who"......We are here, We are here.....WE ARE HERE!!!

03-09-2011, 02:16 PM	#13
Patti Donating YT 30K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 35,509 Blog Entries: 6	I know it can seem unwelcoming to new people who come on here with questions regarding pregnant dogs and they feel like they are being yelled at. I think it's best if we can try and help them understand the reason people get upset when hearing of another pregnant dog in a positive manner even though we may want to scream. I still think anyone who is thinking of breeding should have to spend a few days at a local shelter and see the faces of these now unwanted dogs. I volunteer at a shelter every Wednesday and every week I do the files on the new intakes and it is heart breaking to see the reason's these innocent babies ended up here. Look at their scared faces wondering why am I here, looking at everyone who comes by to see if it is their owner coming to get them. It is so depressing I don't think anyone, or most anyone could see this and still want to breed just for the heck of it. __________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : RIP Nikki; RIP Maya;RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html

03-09-2011, 02:29 PM	#14
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	If one is not prepared to take a stand, press it hard and defend it, what good is a forum? We can get pure information and reading material about dogs anywhere - books, magazine articles, vet hand-outs and brochures, and on the internet. I think they come here for more than information - I think they are looking for advice and opinions. The more forceful comments I have seen were made by YT'ers trying to get the OP to take some meaningful, beneficial action for the dog in question or find out what is really behind the original post or in the OP's thinking. I sure hope YorkieTalk.com never changes this format.

03-09-2011, 02:43 PM	#15
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	So many Sam's. So many existing through life in puppy mill cages. So many chained in back yards in all weather. So many in homes of people that just ignore them and don't really even give them basic care until it is too late.