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Old 02-20-2011, 06:19 AM   #1
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Today I went to the same breeder I got Tezel. I brought Tezel there and this is the his first time back to see his breeder after a month. She was very please to see Tezel and very delighted that Tezel is all happy and bubbly in his new home. As we were chatting, I told her about my plan to get a friend for Tezel as he could be a bit lonely when I'm off to office. She brought out a few puppies and one of them is Tezel's sister. Surprisingly Tezel can still recognize her and both of them were happying playing with each other, ignoring the rest of the puppies. I spent a couple of hours there and playing with some of her dogs. 1 thing that caught my attention was Tezel's sister will always curl up to me, coming to my lap and letting me hold her for a long time (longer than what Tezel would allow me to hold...hmm). She will hop onto my lap and try to get very close to me and of coz Tezel gets a bit jealous when I pay attention to her. Both of them will curl up to me eventually... haha.

So, question is, would it be ok for me to get 2 sibling yorkie? I mean, will there be any complication or it would be better not to get siblings. I know they have no problem getting along with each other but I'm not too sure if I am missing anything here. Another point that the breeder brought up was, there might be a possibility of in-breeding if I'm not careful enough. If so, would that be any problem? Just need some advise from the experts here. Tezel is 5 months now...so is his sister.

Any advise would be very much appreciated.
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As long as you get them both spayed and neutered soon then i don't see any problems with it. I think it's nice for them to have the company of each other.
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I had 2 pups 1 month apart in age together male and female. I got them spay and neutered at the same time when Jewels was 6 mos and Chachi was 7.
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3 of my 4 Yorkies are from the same mom and dad yorkie but different litters. I have them all spayed and neutered when the are old enough. They argue a little like most siblings but usually get along great.
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Thanks for the advise. But I do hope that I can at least breed them once to keep their puppies. That is why the breeder says, there is a risk of in-breeding coz there is no exact time when the female will be ready to mate and it is difficult to seperate them on time. Hhmm....any yorkie parents here have similar situation where you have siblings and yet you don't wan to spayed and neutered at an early stage?
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joekhoo,

I'd really like to talk you out of breeding...
The Breeder you got your pups from, is experienced apparently, and has a ample supply of Dogs available. I have a similar situation as you, my Male and Female are Brother/Sister, BUT, mating them is NOT an option. Just TOO risky for their offspring to be effected.
Please rethink this, have both altered, and remember that those animals are going to live maybe 15 or so years. They'll be around for a long time.
My Male was 2 years old, when I got my Female, and in about another 2 years, I'm thinking about getting another Male. This way, they're sorta staggered in age, and when the time comes, there will be some that will remain, when the oldest passes.

Regardless of if you have your second animal from the same Sire and Dam, I would suggest that you choose the opposite sex, for the first one's companion. Seeing the reaction of that between them, and I'm not talking about sex, is something... a love, which just can't be compared. I witness this each day, I see my two interact.

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Same Breed.
Opposite sex,
A little separation in their ages,
BOTH altered !

Have a good Day !
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Hi all,
Thanks for your valuable advise. I have done some think thru and did some research on the web and talk to the vet, I decided not to get his sister to avoid any complication, altho I liked her a lot, I really do. I really feel connected with her but I don't intent to neutered my little Tezel yet coz I would really like to keep one of his puppy. I guess I will just have to bring him to choose his mate once the breeder has some new female available to offer.

Thanks again SW for your lenthy advise. Really appreciate that.
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joekhoo,

I'd really like to talk you out of breeding...
The Breeder you got your pups from, is experienced apparently, and has a ample supply of Dogs available. I have a similar situation as you, my Male and Female are Brother/Sister, BUT, mating them is NOT an option. Just TOO risky for their offspring to be effected.
Please rethink this, have both altered, and remember that those animals are going to live maybe 15 or so years. They'll be around for a long time.
My Male was 2 years old, when I got my Female, and in about another 2 years, I'm thinking about getting another Male. This way, they're sorta staggered in age, and when the time comes, there will be some that will remain, when the oldest passes.

Regardless of if you have your second animal from the same Sire and Dam, I would suggest that you choose the opposite sex, for the first one's companion. Seeing the reaction of that between them, and I'm not talking about sex, is something... a love, which just can't be compared. I witness this each day, I see my two interact.

So...
Same Breed.
Opposite sex,
A little separation in their ages,
BOTH altered !

Have a good Day !
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And a couple years of research breeding before you attempt it...can you afford or know about genetic testing, pregnancy costs, dealing with unhealthy pups being born, prepared to keep them all if you don't have homes for them, know how to place out he pups-plan on letting everyone who gets one have a litter of their own too?

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Wait your pup is how old? How do you even know if he is of breeding quality? How do you know he doesn't have a genetic disorder that cannot be tested for that won't show up until he is 2-3 years old?

That is why many breeders retain pups for a couple years and later re-home them...they needed to see if they were going to be of breeding quality and they weren't...

START READING and talking to LOTS of reputable breeders.
Is he an AKC registered pup on a full registration?

After all that, start reading about how to train pups...that's called step #2...BEST OF LUCK TO YOU in your research and studies, and after all that I hope it all goes well for ya.

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joekhoo,

HA, "lengthly", you just don't know how gabby I can get !

Most Users here are going to have very strong opinions, and as you can see, the trend is toward Alteration. However, what's important is as you've seen, us stepping beyond our interests, and helping you attain the goals you want to achieve in a responsible manner.

The "Good Luck" is genuine, and so is the various steps to doing this, which includes "READ, ASK, LOOKUP, and MORE". Breeding is not a bad thing to do, as long as you are well informed, AND, patient.

Have a good Day !
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HA, "lengthly", you just don't know how gabby I can get !

Most Users here are going to have very strong opinions, and as you can see, the trend is toward Alteration. However, what's important is as you've seen, us stepping beyond our interests, and helping you attain the goals you want to achieve in a responsible manner.

The "Good Luck" is genuine, and so is the various steps to doing this, which includes "READ, ASK, LOOKUP, and MORE". Breeding is not a bad thing to do, as long as you are well informed, AND, patient.

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The "Good Luck" is genuine, and so is the various steps to doing this, which includes "READ, ASK, LOOKUP, and MORE". Breeding is not a bad thing to do, as long as you are well informed, AND, patient.
You hit the nail on the head with this comment.

OP, breeding takes much more knowledge than knowing you need a male and female to make babies. I'm not trying to sway you into not breeding, but I do want you to know you need much more knowledge in the subject before you proceed and have fabulous results. Not only do you need to know the health history of your breeding pair, but their sires/dams, their grandsires/granddams, and all of their siblings just so you get a good idea of the health that are in your dogs genetic history. The female you obtain has to come from a line of free whelpers so you know there is a high chance she won't have complications during the whelp. Both stud and dam must be evaluated for their health, and no, a standard vet check is not thorough enough. You have to have them tested for STD's even if they are both first timers. You also have to have assisted in whelps before so you have an idea of what a complication looks like, and you'll know what to do. Oh, and a savings account just in case your female needs a c-section.

I hope I'm not forgetting anything. I'm sure others will tell you none of the above is really needed. People take short cuts all the time, but that doesn't make it right. Breeding yorkies truly is a science and it's not for the weak, like myself. I'm just smart enough to know, I know nothing and shouldn't breed. Hence, my boy is already altered.

One last thing before I get off my soapbox. There are people who might think that losing one puppy or two is no big deal. They consider a successful whelp when mom is still alive and there is at least one surviving pup. To me that is devastatingly sad. They call the loss of life successful?

Good luck! You still have time to try to learn all there is to know to have a good safe, successful breeding experience.
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Awesome, honest post!
I don't breed either and probably never will but I've read and continue reading on it...and plan on doing a little more hands on experiencing with a local breeder whom just needs a helping hand-they know what it takes in effort alone!
I can't believe some people don't know what little I do...and they breed! (Those comments are not meant to the OP but just in general).

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You hit the nail on the head with this comment.

OP, breeding takes much more knowledge than knowing you need a male and female to make babies. I'm not trying to sway you into not breeding, but I do want you to know you need much more knowledge in the subject before you proceed and have fabulous results. Not only do you need to know the health history of your breeding pair, but their sires/dams, their grandsires/granddams, and all of their siblings just so you get a good idea of the health that are in your dogs genetic history. The female you obtain has to come from a line of free whelpers so you know there is a high chance she won't have complications during the whelp. Both stud and dam must be evaluated for their health, and no, a standard vet check is not thorough enough. You have to have them tested for STD's even if they are both first timers. You also have to have assisted in whelps before so you have an idea of what a complication looks like, and you'll know what to do. Oh, and a savings account just in case your female needs a c-section.

I hope I'm not forgetting anything. I'm sure others will tell you none of the above is really needed. People take short cuts all the time, but that doesn't make it right. Breeding yorkies truly is a science and it's not for the weak, like myself. I'm just smart enough to know, I know nothing and shouldn't breed. Hence, my boy is already altered.

One last thing before I get off my soapbox. There are people who might think that losing one puppy or two is no big deal. They consider a successful whelp when mom is still alive and there is at least one surviving pup. To me that is devastatingly sad. They call the loss of life successful?

Good luck! You still have time to try to learn all there is to know to have a good safe, successful breeding experience.
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Cgurl,

Well ok, I'd be President, but I'd make sure that everyone knew that everyone here has an opinion, and, just because it may differ from someone else's, doesn't mean that they don't deserve respect, and the dignity which we all should offer to another.

It's SO often misunderstood, that when you ask "tough" questions as you did, that you are condemning the "asker". Yet, the way I saw it, was that you were supporting and informing him (joekhoo).

I, as so many here, have a serious respect for each and every animal as an individual. Each deserves a healthy and fulfilling life, without medical or psychological encumbrances, which bad breeding can cause. I said before, it was the projected Breeder who I wanted to help. Well yea... but

I'm a lot more interested in the welfare of the animals.
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HUH,... maybe I was informing with what little I know...I tend to come off that way to some people, as I'm just a very direct person...I always thought being direct leaves out confusion, but I don't mean offense.

I'm going to take that to heart though, and try to word things better. I didn't think I asked 'tough' questions, I thought those were the basics...that anyone thinking of breeding is supposed to ask themselves...?

I also just hate when people hear a bunch of nonsense sales stuff from breeders/greeders...I've been there, taking it as the 'word' from someone who must know because they breed-right? (people can be so deceitful).

I just hope Joekhoo finds a reputable knowledgeable breeder to help, and support them get to where they need to be, especially with sorting research information etc. and vet. of course. I see breeders on here who have been breeding quality dogs for years still learning and sharing information...seems it never stops, I respect those who constantly improve...would like to be so vain as to think I do too.

I try to help with what little I can based on what I know, that was done for me and I believe in karma. Like when people try to sell a pup guaranteeing breeding quality...either they are psychic or...later you talk to a reputable breeder(s) and find out otherwise...

OH I'VE ASKED SOME FOR THE BOOKS, AND BEEN PUT STRAIGHT JUST FOR THE ASKING! IT'S NOt a nice feeling so I try to never impose someone else feeling that way either.

I too am also into the welfare of the animals far more than anything else...
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