Clairfiy Some informaition from last post

[kristalmaja07]

I want to say, I am new to all of this and really not sure how to get back to my post and comment under others where they made comments. My boy is AKC and I was scammed because he was not what I asked for. If this breeder has been doing this for a long time as per the department of agriculture should of known what her adult dogs turned out to be appox. size and color.. My boy is a dark steel blue gray and tan, same as my girl. I should clarify what I meant by rescue a classmate of her sisters daughter had this yorkie for only a couple of days n no longer wanted her and was unable to care for her, therefore my sister purchased her and knowing how much I love the breed that I would love her and take care of her needs and wants. She has purebred paper through Continental Kennel Club and we submitted her family tree to AKC to see if she is and just was never registered. My posts were asking about the sizes..as I saw other stating they had 10lb yorkies and their babies were 5lbs as adults. Everyone that purchased my puppies did so for a family pets and they will NOT be bread and I keep everyone within family and friends to assure my pups were taken care of within my STANDARD!! I was asking about size as I really don't want to go pay a breeder again $800-$1000 and then within the 1st 12 hours have a vet bill of $300 and may others after to follow, I spent $2000 in the 6 months. So I figured if I could have my small yorkie I would have my dream be fulfilled and not have to keep searching. So I thank you for the comments that were made and I did consult my vet after this accident happened. We were talking about mating them and it happened before all of our discussion was done. I have gotten my girl the best treatment possible and she is doing well. She gave birth to 2 at home and the other 2 by c-section, to me this was my vets fault for not further instructing me on what I should do and that is why we have changed vets that is 1 n 1/2 hrs away, to ensure they receive the best possible care. We see the vet today and hopefully they will be able to claifiy all my unanswered questions and hopefully my little Izzy (Izza Boo) will be my miracle baby that survived her path to get life and be exactly what my dream was. If her color changes to be the steel gray and tan like her mom and dad that is fine by me I just want my little dog. The people in whom purchased my dogs have seen both mom and dad have met the whole litter and I have NOT promised them anything within size and color do to what I went through with a so called breeder that knew it all, she was after the quick mighty dollar and that was all. My pups are active n play n truly bring me joy and happiness and if my Izzy gets to be big like mom n dad that is okay, 3 will be my limit, as I know what I can handle and afford. They all go to groomers and get brushed daily and get their heart worm and flea n tick meds. They are all TRULY happy and their is NO better home they can be in, they were both PUREBRED papered dogs. Thank You!!!

[Woogie Man]

I think you were unable to post again in the earlier thread because it was closed. What I get from your posts is that you were wanting a small Yorkie (around 5 pounds) but got much more than you expected.

First off, I hope your new pups are doing well and thriving. In your post, you indicated that you have sold the pups. I hope that isn't the case and that you have only taken deposits on them as Yorkie pups should be kept until 12 weeks before going to their new home. With yours being born in early December, they are much too young to leave their Mom.

As for color. The standard call for a Yorkie to be a blue and tan dog. While there are some that remain black, most do turn to a shade of blue. Many people make the mistake of registering their pup as black and tan as that is what they see at the time. That doesn't necessarily mean the dog remained that color.

As for size. There is a growth chart to go by in estimating the adult size of a Yorkie. While it is not completely accurate, you can generally get a good idea of the pup's adult size by the 12 week mark. Anything before that is too early to tell and even at 12 weeks it's only an estimate. Here's the link for the growth chart. Yorkshire Terrier - Yorkie Puppy Growth/Weight Chart - watch us grow

Now you have bred a 12 pound boy to an 11 pound girl. Though anything is possible, it's likely the pups will be near the parents' size and could grow beyond that. If both parents are blue and tan, the pups probably will be, too, but anything could pop up from further back in their ancestry.

You also state that the sire is AKC and the Dam is CKC (Continental). Unless you can prove AKC lineage on the Mom, you'll have to register the sire with CKC in order to have the pups registered.

[kristalmaja07]

I didn't take any money not even for a deposit until I knew that everyone was going to be okay and I was sure of the home I was allowing them to go. Your correct I didn't get what I wanted. I am really surprised on how little they are right now that is why, I am guessing they could be smaller. The vet said they could go the 1st week of Feb. I am NO expert and are following the vet and whatever they say. Yes, I have spoken to CKC and AKC and am following through with both of there recommendations. Thank you for your post and appreciate the knowledge.

[camile]

So your puppies were sold and let go to their new home at 6 wks or so?

[FlDebra]

Many vets give generic information that they try to apply to all dogs. Toy breeds like the yorkie do NOT fall into the generic category. Yorkie pups NEED to stay with mom & siblings until at least 12 weeks and hopefully be at least 2 pounds. That gives them time to learn the many things mom teaches. Puppies can survive if you sell them at 8 weeks, but they are certainly at more risk and are not getting the best start in life socially and emotionally either. We see the posts so often of new owners who got their pups at 8 weeks writing about problems like food intolerances, biting, excessive barking or whining, sometimes crying through the night, timid, fearful, more difficult to house train and socialize with other dogs. They are generally NOT nearly as happy and adaptable as a pup who was allowed the 12-16 weeks recommended for yorkie pups to stay with mom and siblings. They learn from the group dynamic as well as mom. If you have already let them go to new homes, nothing to be done except store this information away for possible future situations. If you have them still at home, pls keep them the recommended 12-16 weeks.

I talked color and weight with you on the other thread that was closed. I do not see you getting AKC registration for you CKC girl. AKC only registers if both parents were AKC registered and the breeder was in good standing at the time the litter was born. I find it doubtful that any breeder would only register CKC if she had a chance to register AKC -- as it is the parent breed club and much preferred over CKC. I would not both registering with CKC -- it is just throwing your good money to a for-profit registry that came about because many commercial breeders did not want to follow the rules set forth by the AKC or were actually banned from AKC for not following rules (things like listing the wrong parents on litter registration forms and failing AKC inspections. Better to not register at all than to contribute to any of the for-profit registries. AKC is the only non-profit. Registering with them is an investment as well as contributing to their education programs, DNA testing, and putting your dogs in the Yorkshire Terrier History. There are many other benefits to AKC registration, but I won't go in detail as I do not think you are going to get that.

I got you email -- thank you too! I think I have covered everything except the ears. I am still unsure how old your pups actually are -- maybe it would be good to list their DOB. If they are 8 weeks now or if they will be the first week of February, it is too early to worry about their ears. It is not unusual for them not to stand til close to the 12 week mark. All of the puppies I have had did have their ears up by 10 weeks, but some are different. I have read some of the more experienced breeders say not to worry about taping the ears until 16 weeks. So, they could come up on their own by then. If not, there are some detailed explanations about taping of the ears on here. Ask then, if it is needed, and I will look it up for you.

Glad your mom has made it through this time with no worse problem than the C-section. I would have her spayed as soon as the doc says it is safe. I would neuter your male NOW. No reason for him to wait. I would also have a spay/neuter clause in your sales contract. It is best to keep them until you can ensure their spay and neutering but most do not want to keep that long, so putting it in your contract is the next best thing. Adding a refundable deposit motivates the new owners to make sure to follow up and actually do the spay/neuter. You just have them pay an extra amount of $$, set it aside, and they get it back as soon as they show the receipt from the vet. You really do not want dogs this large continuing to breed. The yorkshire terrier standard is up to 7 pounds. So, breeding so far above the standard is really not ethical. It is the future that will be unduly endangered. As I explained in the other thread, a small female may result from your breeding. If she is allowed to breed, she may wind up with some VERY large pups that could cause even more problems than your girl experienced. This danger continues on through each generation if the females make it at all. Same with the males, if they are used for stud -- big surprises could result and a small female be put at greater risk again. Remember, this is how your two wound up being so large, even though you saw normal sized parents. Those surprises can turn up several generations down the line. So -- spay & neuter all concerned here.

I do wish you well that Izzy beats the odds, and winds up within standard. I know I would have been disappointed if mine had turned out out of any standard, including size. But I couldn't have helped loving them JUST AS MUCH, just as you have yours. In fact, my very first yorkie was a wavy haired beauty -- if massive waviness was in our standard she would have aced it but .... unfortunately I was looking for the straight, silky hair written in the standard. I just spayed her and fortunate for me -- she did possess the most prominent and beloved trait I have seen from Yorkies -- being a LOVING dog! Good luck with the pups!

[kristalmaja07]

No, my pups are all still at home with me and will be until 8-12 weeks. The vet said they can go at 8 weeks, but all are within my family so they will be with mom at all the time. My boy is going to a really good friend and will see all the time.

[kristalmaja07]

I want to thank you for all the information. They are 6 weeks of age 2 were born Dec 7 and then 2 on the 8th. It was a difficult road that we followed as her calcium was low and had an infection so mom and pups remained in the hospital for 7 days. Since then all are great and growing they are all in between 2.9 and 3.5lbs now, but they look very small, its amazing how small they look. Everyone went to vet today for first shots and work up. I have been wee-wee training since they were 3 weeks old and they do great very few accidents and when it happens they are so close. It really is only the boy who will be the farthest away. I have decided to keep my Izzy (Izza Boo) we have a special bond and I will get my dream one day. I love all my animals no matter what size they are. I think next time I will want to see parents and will not go through what I did with Kalix and just have my dog shipped on a plane, I will be in the picture through everything birth to 12 weeks.
The doctor said that my 2 of my pups may be smaller than mom and dad, but truly only time will tell so I will take that chance as I have 2 great dogs and if she gets to be 11-12lbs so be it she is gorgeous and will have a great home and that is all that truly matters. He also said it really is depends on the size of the head and not the weight of the dog. He said the rut of the litter could turn out to be the biggest. Maybe when the time is right someone can give me a good reparable breeder so I can have my little yorkie I have always wanted. Thanks again.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by kristalmaja07

I want to thank you for all the information. They are 6 weeks of age 2 were born Dec 7 and then 2 on the 8th. It was a difficult road that we followed as her calcium was low and had an infection so mom and pups remained in the hospital for 7 days. Since then all are great and growing they are all in between 2.9 and 3.5lbs now, but they look very small, its amazing how small they look. Everyone went to vet today for first shots and work up. I have been wee-wee training since they were 3 weeks old and they do great very few accidents and when it happens they are so close. It really is only the boy who will be the farthest away. I have decided to keep my Izzy (Izza Boo) we have a special bond and I will get my dream one day. I love all my animals no matter what size they are. I think next time I will want to see parents and will not go through what I did with Kalix and just have my dog shipped on a plane, I will be in the picture through everything birth to 12 weeks.
The doctor said that my 2 of my pups may be smaller than mom and dad, but truly only time will tell so I will take that chance as I have 2 great dogs and if she gets to be 11-12lbs so be it she is gorgeous and will have a great home and that is all that truly matters. He also said it really is depends on the size of the head and not the weight of the dog. He said the rut of the litter could turn out to be the biggest. Maybe when the time is right someone can give me a good reparable breeder so I can have my little yorkie I have always wanted. Thanks again.

Head size is a predictor, but unless they have heads way out of proportion to their overall size and weight, I think weight will do it too. Like I said, it is pretty much a guesstimate, but all of mine have been right on that Yorkie Growth Chart -- others have posted exceptions though. I think it is pretty safe to say that all of yours are off the charts and will be over 8 pounds at the least. A simple guesstimate is to triple the 8 week weight and/or double the 12 week weight. So, you will know a little more in 2 weeks. Compare those two estimates (double the 8 week and use the chart) and the adult weight will probably be in the ballpark.

Glad you have all the right feelings about her being gorgeous and loving them regardless of size. That is what being a good pet owner is about. I wonder things about mine, when they are going to change color, will they make it to the best dark steel blue, etc... but I will love them no matter what too. Hoping for standard is not wrong as long as we love them regardless. And how could we not?