As Not To Hi-Jack anothers thread

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their falsestatements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

So you consider your breeding a livelihood? Interesting comment I thought it was because the Parti breeders wanted to be in the show ring with those that fit the current standard. So you are saying that your profit margin is being impacted by not being a member of the YTCA and that would be the basis of your legal grounds of said lawsuit?

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

If the adult dog are DNA'ed the only reason the puppies would need DNA'ed is if there was an oops breeding.

Not if you are a Parti Breeder perserving the integrety of the breed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I'm assuming that the breeding research is just like medical research it takes many, many studies and A LOT of proof to change the overruling body's judgment on the topic. The YTCA has ruled as it has and it is now time and research's job to change that ruling if it needs to be changed.

Again, the YTCA is not LYING they have different studies or facts or whatever that they are basing their information on. Saying they are lying does no good. Continuing to do studies and NEW research is what will change their decision. Apparently, what is already in existence is not adequate. There are two sides to this coin and only more research is going to resolve the issue, not name calling and accusations.

If you really feel that passionate about it, join the committee that is petitioning the YTCA and stop calling them liars every chance you get.

Of course, this is all my opinion.

Also, if you hate the YTCA so much and think they are so terrible, why do you care if they acknowledge the parti at all? It isn't like they can tell anyone to stop breeding. They obviously aren't hurting the market THAT badly because it seems like there is a pretty decent demand for these pups. If the issue is not being able to compete in conformation, parti breeders could have their own expert panel/organization and put shows together if they'd like, unless there are rules against that?

I don't HATE the YTCA. I dislike any organizatilon that uses their clout to mislead people. They are a club, they have their rules. I do not want to join their club, so they mean nothing to me. But there are people on here that recite the YTCA website like it is the gospel.

The YTCA knows very well that what they have on their site is wrong. The leading authority of the Yorkshire Terrier in the US is or was a member. she has written a letter that states that she had a white puppy show up in one of her litters. That is a fact, not my opinion, not her opinion, a fact.

So I post to those who think that the YTCA knows all. They have misinformation printed on their site, because they know that most people think they are authorities. when in reality they are just a club that for whatever reason, must feel threatened by the parti colored breeders or they would not need to discolurage people from breeding them by posting false information about them.

if they want to DQ them, that is their right, but don't try to tell the rest of us that our dogs are not yorkies.

I would not join the YTCA even if they did decide to accept the parti color. I'm not a club joiner. Too many rules. I like to walk outside of the box, and do my own thing.

If the YTCA would suddenly by some miracle, drop that mis information from their site. it would end all of these discussions, because they only inflormatioln that the parti non parti people have, is that tiny sentence on the YTCA site, while the parti people have pages of documentation to back their claims.

The problem that the YTCA has, is that you cannot prove a negative. So all they have is their say so.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

So you consider your breeding a livelihood? Interesting comment I thought it was because the Parti breeders wanted to be in the show ring with those that fit the current standard. So you are saying that your profit margin is being impacted by not being a member of the YTCA and that would be the basis of your legal grounds of said lawsuit?

[Dixies Mom]

Ok....I have a Biewer(Parti) and I have a Yorkshire Terrier...My Vet draws a blood sample...sends it to a Genetist...they results come back the same...Right?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That's you answer?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

That's what this comes down to. Though I fail to see how you can claim it's costing you money. Seems to me that many Parti's are going for a premium under the guise of being rare.

That seems to be the common consensus among NON parti breeders.

[Rhetts_mama]

Well, since I'm not a breeder, I can only say what has been MY observation. As for those who breed to standard, you'll have to ask them.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

That's you answer?

Yup. That's all that your comments warrant

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their falsestatements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

I guess the pup prices for Parti's that used to go got 4-6K are now down to $800 with a deep discount.

Parti's are not bred to standard. I am sure they are wonderful and terrific little dogs, just not able to be shown. I have no problem with that as I am not a shower. I love all dogs, purebred and Mutt.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Actually Jeanie I think that is an excellent idea I have never seen the point in all of the bickering and name calling that goes on regarding this issue. If you and the other parti breeders have proof of what you claim then I say put up or shut up. If you do a search of this forum almost every since thread that has ever discussed this issue ends in being locked as the tone gets nastier and nastier. Up until recently I never even paid much attention to all for this banter. But after thread after thread of arguing and accusations I really think it's time to make a stand and prove your point. But just to repeatedly state the same things over and over seems to me to be a fruitless effort on the part of an entire community of Parti breeders. When you argue your point you really are arguing to the wrong audience on the Yorkietalk forum. Make a proactive appeal to the correct audience (YTCA) after all they are the deciding factor. A select group constantly attacking the same issue and members repeatedly in truth it really is not falling on the ears that need the argument. Just sayin...............

Totally agree. Mention Parti, their radar (sorry Donna) goes off the screen and here comes the attacks. Everyone is wrong, everyone lies, it is all their, on their website. Priceless

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I'm assuming that the breeding research is just like medical research it takes many, many studies and A LOT of proof to change the overruling body's judgment on the topic. The YTCA has ruled as it has and it is now time and research's job to change that ruling if it needs to be changed.

Again, the YTCA is not LYING they have different studies or facts or whatever that they are basing their information on. Saying they are lying does no good. Continuing to do studies and NEW research is what will change their decision. Apparently, what is already in existence is not adequate. There are two sides to this coin and only more research is going to resolve the issue, not name calling and accusations.

If you really feel that passionate about it, join the committee that is petitioning the YTCA and stop calling them liars every chance you get.

Of course, this is all my opinion.

Also, if you hate the YTCA so much and think they are so terrible, why do you care if they acknowledge the parti at all? It isn't like they can tell anyone to stop breeding. They obviously aren't hurting the market THAT badly because it seems like there is a pretty decent demand for these pups. If the issue is not being able to compete in conformation, parti breeders could have their own expert panel/organization and put shows together if they'd like, unless there are rules against that?

Because, it is all about the...drum roll please....the MONEY!

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

That's what this comes down to. Though I fail to see how you can claim it's costing you money. Seems to me that many Parti's are going for a premium under the guise of being rare.

Money? Money> Yes, of course, aboout the money.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I guess the pup prices for Parti's that used to go got 4-6K are now down to $800 with a deep discount.

Parti's are not bred to standard. I am sure they are wonderful and terrific little dogs, just not able to be shown. I have no problem with that as I am not a shower. I love all dogs, purebred and Mutt.

Yup and sometimes less. I'm sorry your wife wouldn't let you buy one of mine.

did you ever locate those PM's I can post them here if you want.

The one where you told me you would like to buy from a professional such as myself, but your wife didn't like the color. such a shame you missed such a good bargain.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their false statements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

I really think you need to explain the comment highlighted about. You said it not me. "claiming that it has caused us monetary damage."

Please elaborate on the above statement further and you can
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Everyone is waiting to hear what you have to say that will enlighten us.