As Not To Hi-Jack anothers thread

[Rhetts_mama]

Got it, everyone lies except the parti breeders.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Got it, everyone lies except the parti breeders.

These are professional organizations. Not just some breeder. If your going to put yourself out there as an organization that can be believed and trusted, then you had better tell the truth. todays consumers have thend WWW at their finger tips, and if you lie, they are going to find out.

So don't be pissed at me just because I pointed out inaccuracies on their website. Go jump on them for feeding you a line of BS.

And NOI do not lie.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

My head hurt but let me grab a snack


~I'll check back in about 10 days and 5,000 posts later.

This is exactly when I reach to click on the "Thank You" button (for your post...) and realize I'm on YT...lol...so, this will just have to suffice for now!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

These are professional organizations. Not just some breeder. If your going to put yourself out there as an organization that can be believed and trusted, then you had better tell the truth. todays consumers have thend WWW at their finger tips, and if you lie, they are going to find out.

So don't be pissed at me just because I pointed out inaccuracies on their website. Go jump on them for feeding you a line of BS.

And NOI do not lie.

Also I have a feeling that if enough money were to be made, they could find pitt bull in the Yorkie mix.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

So are you saying that the Biewer's parent club is lying?

Why Not the YTCA lies.

[scrapindee]

I believe if you search here on YT, there is actual correspondence and discussion regarding the MARS testing of the Biewer Terriers, not the Biewers, and the conclusions that the testing by Mars was flawed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Here is another Biewer Club that says the Biewer is a distinct breed:


Biewer Breed Club of America

The Biewer Breed Club of America, Inc. is the ONLY
American Biewer club that has bred Biewer to Biewer exclusively since the club's inception. We are very proud of our beginnings in the preservation of the purebred Biewer a la Pom Pon. Protection of the Biewers and its original standard are the of the utmost importance to use with intent to hold true to the long term goals of the originator of this exquisite breed. Although the ancestry of the Biewer includes Yorkshire Terrier lines it is through select Biewer to Biewer breeding that has established the Biewer as a distinct breed.

I'm just finding it hard to reconcile the idea that the Biewer DNA testing is falsified, while the Parti's are all on the up and up. What does the main registry for Biewer's in Germany say?

Anyone can start a club and put anything they want on their website. that does not make it true.

Where is the documentation? Not a study paid for by the organization. Real unbiased documentation.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Got it, everyone lies except the parti breeders.

Here I thought I was the only one thinking this

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Why Not the YTCA lies.

Since you keep making this same comment over and over I really think that you need to back of your accusations. I'd like to she some hard facts and names of the members of the YTCA that are making these lies that you keep alluding to in your many posts. Otherwise you need to stop before you get yourself into an area of legality that you might not want to venture without proof.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Since you keep making this same comment over and over I really think that you need to back of your accusations. I'd like to she some hard facts and names of the members of the YTCA that are making these lies that you keep alluding to in your many posts. Otherwise you need to stop before you get yourself into an area of legality that you might not want to venture without proof.

I do not know who made it up or who posted it, but there is documentation that says the parti color occurs in the yorkshire terrier, yet the YTCA has it right on their site that it does not.

They can DQ it, that is their right, it's their club, their rules. But why do they need to put on there that the yorkshire terrier does not have a white gene in it's make up when it has been proven otherwise. It just hurts their credibility.

If you want to have credibility then don't post things on your site that can be proven false.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not know who made it up or who posted it, but there is documentation that says the parti color occurs in the yorkshire terrier, yet the YTCA has it right on their site that it does not.

They can DQ it, that is their right, it's their club, their rules. But why do they need to put on there that the yorkshire terrier does not have a white gene in it's make up when it has been proven otherwise. It just hurts their credibility.

If you want to have credibility then don't post things on your site that can be proven false.

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their falsestatements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their falsestatements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

Actually Jeanie I think that is an excellent idea I have never seen the point in all of the bickering and name calling that goes on regarding this issue. If you and the other parti breeders have proof of what you claim then I say put up or shut up. If you do a search of this forum almost every since thread that has ever discussed this issue ends in being locked as the tone gets nastier and nastier. Up until recently I never even paid much attention to all for this banter. But after thread after thread of arguing and accusations I really think it's time to make a stand and prove your point. But just to repeatedly state the same things over and over seems to me to be a fruitless effort on the part of an entire community of Parti breeders. When you argue your point you really are arguing to the wrong audience on the Yorkietalk forum. Make a proactive appeal to the correct audience (YTCA) after all they are the deciding factor. A select group constantly attacking the same issue and members repeatedly in truth it really is not falling on the ears that need the argument. Just sayin...............

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their falsestatements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

I'm assuming that the breeding research is just like medical research it takes many, many studies and A LOT of proof to change the overruling body's judgment on the topic. The YTCA has ruled as it has and it is now time and research's job to change that ruling if it needs to be changed.

Again, the YTCA is not LYING they have different studies or facts or whatever that they are basing their information on. Saying they are lying does no good. Continuing to do studies and NEW research is what will change their decision. Apparently, what is already in existence is not adequate. There are two sides to this coin and only more research is going to resolve the issue, not name calling and accusations.

If you really feel that passionate about it, join the committee that is petitioning the YTCA and stop calling them liars every chance you get.

Of course, this is all my opinion.

Also, if you hate the YTCA so much and think they are so terrible, why do you care if they acknowledge the parti at all? It isn't like they can tell anyone to stop breeding. They obviously aren't hurting the market THAT badly because it seems like there is a pretty decent demand for these pups. If the issue is not being able to compete in conformation, parti breeders could have their own expert panel/organization and put shows together if they'd like, unless there are rules against that?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I'm assuming that the breeding research is just like medical research it takes many, many studies and A LOT of proof to change the overruling body's judgment on the topic. The YTCA has ruled as it has and it is now time and research's job to change that ruling if it needs to be changed.

Again, the YTCA is not LYING they have different studies or facts or whatever that they are basing their information on. Saying they are lying does no good. Continuing to do studies and NEW research is what will change the decision. Apparently, what is already in existence is not adequate. There are two sides to this coin and only more research is going to resolve the issue, not name calling and accusations.

If you really feel that passionate about it, join the committee that is petitioning the YTCA and stop calling them liars every chance you get.

Of course, this is all my opinion.

Also, if you hate the YTCA so much and think they are so terrible, why do you care if they acknowledge the parti at all? It isn't like they can tell anyone to stop breeding. They obviously aren't hurting the market THAT badly because it seems like there is a pretty decent demand for these pups. If the issue is not being able to compete in conformation, parti breeders could have their own expert panel/organization and put shows together if they'd like, unless there are rules against that?

Exactly! Why is it that there is such hatred spewed over and over? I just don't get it at all This hatred is not just toward the YTCA but every chance there to make a dig one is made~why.? Wouldn't it just be more wise and less tiring to quietly do what you claim to be right instead of calling other liars? Making accusations that you really cannot back up with any hard evidence while trying to convince everyone that you are correct in your thoughts. At some point (like now) don't you think that all of this banter and hostile activity is self defeating to your cause? You have a breed club who why not just band together and make your own rules and whatnot regarding what you have researched and proven.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and I am not affraid of the YTCA. The documentation is out there to prove that the statement is false.. Besides they can have everything I've got if they want it.

Maybe the parti breeders should sue them for their falsestatements. Claiming that it has caused us monetary damage.

That's what this comes down to. Though I fail to see how you can claim it's costing you money. Seems to me that many Parti's are going for a premium under the guise of being rare.