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txshopper73 · 11-08-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbysmom

The puppy mills are the extreme but haven't you all seen things that make you cringe?

Yes, this ad did.

Also, we have to experts here in town that just deal with dog breeding and keep a busy schedule. I'll give them a call tomorrow and get their opinion on this.

cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 06:29 PM

shelbysmom: Wow, I don't know why the breeder would rather have a c-section than a natural labor. Is the breeder's name Britney Spears by chance?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I think that 90% of vets will say that just based on the health of the animal, but I feel a theriogenologist is a specialty vet who can do a better assessment of a female's ability to free whelp healthy puppies. They look at many factors including the width of th torso and the birth canal as well as the shape of the uterus, etc. If I were a breeder I would use a reproductive specialist before I bred any of my dogs.

In my opinion from the ones I have talked to and heard about, the way vets look at it is that some dogs have trouble and need C-Sections just like some humans do. They do not necessarily see a C-section as an abnormal health risk or a reason not to breed. Many women have multiple c-sections so they feel why should it be different for dogs?

I also felt is was only fair to the breeder to point out that she did not use th word "teacup" in her ad.

You have not offended me but I did not say this was NOT my view or opinion but rather the view and opinion of many vets. Please re read my quote above for clarification.

I personally do not ever think the risk of a c-section is a valid risk regardless of the size of the female which is why I am not a breeder. I was merely giving informstion I have heard from amny vets, so,e of whom actually breed tiny yorkies themselves.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 07:11 PM

Shelbysmom~

I totally agree. How can you claim not to be in it just for the money when you don't keep your dogs for their lifetime? I cannot imagine a dog living in a room of a house or even a couple of rooms and never going for a ride in the car or to the park or whatever like a normal pet does for 4, 5 or 6 years...all their puppyhood and young adulthood. To me, no matter how clean and well fed they are, that is not the life they deserve.

Every yorkie lover who decides to breeds knows that they are risking their dog's life when they make that decision. I could not do it.

I can see someone who may be able to turn off the emotions and not look at them as the loving, innocent creatures they are or someone who is just ignorant and thinks that every animal deserves to breed...but the more I learn about the breeding of small breed toy dogs and the dangers involved, the more I find it hard to conprehend it being okay for anyone's beloved pet.

This is why I feel a breeder should only have as many dogs as she can hire the proper help to make sure ALL of the dogs in the breeding program have the lives they deserve....they should be walked, played with, socialized and loved physically everyday by a special someone. It will cost more .....sure...which is why I think we should be willing to pay a good breeder more. A male stud deserves to be inside and to go for walks and be loved and held as part of a family, not put in a kennel or confined to a small room or garage 24/7 until he is 7 or 8 or whatever age. That is cruel in my opinion.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

You have not offended me but I did not say this was NOT my view or opinion but rather the view and opinion of many vets. Please re read my quote above for clarification.

I personally do not ever think the risk of a c-section is a valid risk regardless of the size of the female which is why I am not a breeder. I was merely giving informstion I have heard from many vets, some of whom actually breed tiny yorkies themselves.

OOPS! I had too many NOTs in there. I meant to say that this was NOT my opinion but rather the opinion of many vets I have spoken to or read their articles on the subject including several theriogenologists. Sorry for the error...never enough time to correct.

cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I think that 90% of vets will say that just based on the health of the animal, but I feel a theriogenologist is a specialty vet who can do a better assessment of a female's ability to free whelp healthy puppies. They look at many factors including the width of th torso and the birth canal as well as the shape of the uterus, etc. If I were a breeder I would use a reproductive specialist before I bred any of my dogs.

In my opinion from the ones I have talked to and heard about, the way vets look at it is that some dogs have trouble and need C-Sections just like some humans do. They do not necessarily see a C-section as an abnormal health risk or a reason not to breed. Many women have multiple c-sections so they feel why should it be different for dogs?

I also felt is was only fair to the breeder to point out that she did not use th word "teacup" in her ad.

Okay. I guess your post is just confusing because you wrote that it was your opinion as well...

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Yes, this ad did.

Also, we have to experts here in town that just deal with dog breeding and keep a busy schedule. I'll give them a call tomorrow and get their opinion on this.

Kimberley~ Are they Canine theriogenologists? Reproductive specialists? Have you used them for your breeding program?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cheryl000

Okay. I guess your post is just confusing because you wrote that it was your opinion as well...

Yes, "imo the vets I have talked to think.....They(meaning vets) do not see a c-section as an abnormal health risk"

Sorry it was confusing. Is is not my opinion. I would always consider a c-section a major health concern because anytime a yorkie is put under it is risky. At least too risky for me but I try hard not to judge others.

Thanks you for the opportunity to clarify as others may have also found it confusing.

cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 07:32 PM

Socal: Glad we agree. I would enjoy a conversation with one of those vets. My son is going into surgery where they have to use anesthesia on the 14th and I'm nervous about it even though he's been under before and they say it will be an easy surgery. IMO there are always risks.
My sister is a nurse and two months ago she had to counsel a woman about her 7 year old son who was there for a routine surgery to get his Tonsils and Adenoids removed. The other nurse had given him the wrong IV bag and he ended up going into a coma. The mother wanted to know when she would be able to give him his birthday presents; the poor mother couldn't understand that he wouldn't be waking back up. It was supposed to be such an "easy" surgery. Sorry to get so off subject but I believe every surgery has risks.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cheryl000

Socal: Glad we agree. I would enjoy a conversation with one of those vets. My son is going into surgery where they have to use anesthesia on the 14th and I'm nervous about it even though he's been under before and they say it will be an easy surgery. IMO there are always risks.
My sister is a nurse and two months ago she had to counsel a woman about her 7 year old son who was there for a routine surgery to get his Tonsils and Adenoids removed. The other nurse had given him the wrong IV bag and he ended up going into a coma. The mother wanted to know when she would be able to give him his birthday presents; the poor mother couldn't understand that he wouldn't be waking back up. It was supposed to be such an "easy" surgery. Sorry to get so off subject but I believe every surgery has risks.

Yes, we definitely agree and that is so sad about the little boy in the coma.

Good luck to you and your son...I was a nervous wreck when my son had tubes put in his ears at 4!! I almost had an anxiety attack in the waiting room!

cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 08:09 PM

Was it because of getting ear infections? My son is going to the same doctors as that (the ears, nose and throat doctor) to fix a salivary glands in his mouth. Thanks for your well wishes. I just wish my husband could be there for me. Hopefully I'll have a harder time with it than my son, that is the usual.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cheryl000

Was it because of getting ear infections? My son is going to the same doctors as that (the ears, nose and throat doctor) to fix a salivary glands in his mouth. Thanks for your well wishes. I just wish my husband could be there for me. Hopefully I'll have a harder time with it than my son, that is the usual.

Yes, it was and now he is hard of hearing in one ear from all the scar tissue and that's one of the reasons why our dogs are service dogs. A couple of them are alert dogs who signal at sounds that he doesn't hear normally to warn him.

cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 08:37 PM

I'm sorry about your son and I hope he's at least no longer in pain. I had a friend who's son had to go through that. What Dogs must be extra special to him.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-08-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cheryl000

I'm sorry about your son and I hope he's at least no longer in pain. I had a friend who's son had to go through that. What Dogs must be extra special to him.

Oh yeah, he's great now.....a great water polo player and a surfer! He is fifteen and we are considering surgery to remove some of the scar tissue and see if it improves his ability to hear out of his right ear.

This was a year ago.

cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 09:24 PM

Looks like a Californian

. It doesn't look like his hearing problem slows him down one bit!

11-08-2005, 06:29 PM	#47
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	c-sections shelbysmom: Wow, I don't know why the breeder would rather have a c-section than a natural labor. Is the breeder's name Britney Spears by chance?

11-08-2005, 07:32 PM	#54
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	c-sections Socal: Glad we agree. I would enjoy a conversation with one of those vets. My son is going into surgery where they have to use anesthesia on the 14th and I'm nervous about it even though he's been under before and they say it will be an easy surgery. IMO there are always risks. My sister is a nurse and two months ago she had to counsel a woman about her 7 year old son who was there for a routine surgery to get his Tonsils and Adenoids removed. The other nurse had given him the wrong IV bag and he ended up going into a coma. The mother wanted to know when she would be able to give him his birthday presents; the poor mother couldn't understand that he wouldn't be waking back up. It was supposed to be such an "easy" surgery. Sorry to get so off subject but I believe every surgery has risks.

11-08-2005, 08:09 PM	#56
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	teacups Was it because of getting ear infections? My son is going to the same doctors as that (the ears, nose and throat doctor) to fix a salivary glands in his mouth. Thanks for your well wishes. I just wish my husband could be there for me. Hopefully I'll have a harder time with it than my son, that is the usual.

11-08-2005, 08:37 PM	#58
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	puppy I'm sorry about your son and I hope he's at least no longer in pain. I had a friend who's son had to go through that. What Dogs must be extra special to him.

11-08-2005, 09:24 PM	#60
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	puppy Looks like a Californian . It doesn't look like his hearing problem slows him down one bit!

11-08-2005, 07:11 PM	#49
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Shelbysmom~ I totally agree. How can you claim not to be in it just for the money when you don't keep your dogs for their lifetime? I cannot imagine a dog living in a room of a house or even a couple of rooms and never going for a ride in the car or to the park or whatever like a normal pet does for 4, 5 or 6 years...all their puppyhood and young adulthood. To me, no matter how clean and well fed they are, that is not the life they deserve. Every yorkie lover who decides to breeds knows that they are risking their dog's life when they make that decision. I could not do it. I can see someone who may be able to turn off the emotions and not look at them as the loving, innocent creatures they are or someone who is just ignorant and thinks that every animal deserves to breed...but the more I learn about the breeding of small breed toy dogs and the dangers involved, the more I find it hard to conprehend it being okay for anyone's beloved pet. This is why I feel a breeder should only have as many dogs as she can hire the proper help to make sure ALL of the dogs in the breeding program have the lives they deserve....they should be walked, played with, socialized and loved physically everyday by a special someone. It will cost more .....sure...which is why I think we should be willing to pay a good breeder more. A male stud deserves to be inside and to go for walks and be loved and held as part of a family, not put in a kennel or confined to a small room or garage 24/7 until he is 7 or 8 or whatever age. That is cruel in my opinion.