I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[Nasdaq_Diva]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Where in Ohio is this "breeder"? It would be good to have this person on our radar to be able to warn people. Since I'm in Ohio, I would certainly like to know!

She's in Huber Heights. Dayton, OH suburb..

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I never called you awful or a horrible person, please don't put words in my mouth. I commented on the ethics & breeding practices and the relation to character.
I don't know you personally, but I don't like your breeding practices and I think any buyers that are looking on this site should be aware of any breeders that are on YT that have questionable breeding practices.

nope not the exact words, sorry..

but you are basing your entire assumption of me on one aspect of my life.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Gotta give you credit Tammy, you are sticking to your guns.I am not on the attack, Only wish you would open your heart and feel that this is not right and change. He## I learn something new everyday but I want to change and be a better person than I was yesterday. And by the way, I am not a snob and have nothing to be snobby about.

im not saying i cant learn more
i actually tried getting more info and in the beginning my post was picked apart instead..then yes its gotten way off base and turned into something else.

the reason i moved "up" to akc was to breed better..one step at a time..might not be "right" in some peoples eyes but its what works for me

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Nasdaq_Diva

She's in Huber Heights. Dayton, OH suburb..

Scary close, I'm in Lebanon.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

nope not the exact words, sorry..

but you are basing your entire assumption of me on one aspect of my life.

I'm basing on your breeding practices. You may be a perfectly nice person, I'm only commenting in relation to the breeding & selling of your puppies.

[celstu1]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I really like this advice and think this is something that should be posted as advice to buyers! I hope you don't mind if I start using this, it's a very true & accurate statement!

Don't mind at all!

[bellemarie]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i really dont care what u think

the approval of YT is not needed to make me feel good about my self.

i am an average hobby breeder in my opinion..i take great care of my dogs and puppies and yes i breed occasionally and sell pups. the end.

i have been quietly following this, but feel that somethings need to be brought to everyones attention (including your own Tammy).


there is so much that i dont agree with you on Tammy. you were more than unnessesarily rude to many YTers and IMO that alone shouldnt be justifiable. the question was answered, although not the way you wanted it to be worded, so you then got on the defensive- as many before you have- but if you enjoy this site enough to still be posting on it then you will have to learn to apologise when you offend and accept critism, advise and information when it is given in a factual substanciated form- and i have never seen anything less from the members that you are arguing with (in particular Mary).

also, yes, we are all human and deserve to be treated as such, but some people do have more knowlege than others and therefore deserve more respect. i know that i have countless superiors on this site and would never argue otherwise- afterall, i'm only 19 and many of the respected members have owned/bred/showed dogs for longer than i have been alive, so of course i am going to look up to them on the subject of dogs in general, never mind their own specailised areas of expertise; and some day i hope that i will be the same to less experienced/younger yorkie lovers who decide to take the ethical route of breeding- but that is MANY decades down the line.

so as i say, i have many superiors here, but i am superior to many dog owners i have come across- people who simply stick two dogs together and hope for the best with the puppies health & temperment etc, people who let their yorkie have puppies on their own or outside, people who breed 'teacups' to sell for top$ no matter what the real cost, people who kick a dog out onto the street to fend for herself only to end up starving and pregnant in a pound (kill shelter) that is so filled to capacity the staff are wary of mentioning her pregnancy in the risk of her not being adopted by her 5th day (btw, Callie and babies are doing wonderfully if anyone remembers that thread in the breeders section)... that doesn't make me a snob, just honest and observant.

Tammy, you say you don't care what people here think, then why are you still arguing and defending yourself if no ones approval here matters?

i think its time for me to rest my case, and OP, go with your gut on that woman, there has been so much helpful info posted for you to help with your search for a puppy (whether via breeder or shelter)... i wish you the best in your search!

[Nasdaq_Diva]

PLEASE LEAVE THIS THREAD IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE POSTING THIS BACK AND FORTH NON-SENSE!

Sheesh, I made this thread because I had questions about a woman selling Yorkies. If you all want to discuss the right/wrong way of the proper breeding of a Yorkshire please move it to the 'Breeding' section of the forum. I'd hate to see this thread get locked. It's full of information, but the DRAMA I'm sure we could all do without!

[Poshible]

My statement was not to say that I, nor anybody else, was a snob just that we should hold ourselves with high regard. If you do not, who else will? My other point (The main one) was that she was calling people "snobs" FOR being educated which is why I made the statement. Sorry for any confusion :-)

[edwardsmom]

I am not a breeder or anything I Just happen to own the most beautiful Yorkie I could ever ask for as a first time pet owner! But after I joined YT I learned soooo many things first off I purchased my baby from a petshop which sadly later i found out it was probably from a byb or puppy mill because of all the signs I didnt know about I couldnt see the sire or the dam i couldnt speak to the breeder and the more information I acquired on here the more I realized that I should have informed myself better before finalizing the decision.
I will say this though I would never purchase a "designer dog" I would try and rescue one but not purchase it because after doing a lot of research I have found that all the purebreeds were bred for a purpose and within that one of them was to try and breed the healthiest dogs possible as well as minimize any genetic diseases that could get passed down and I feel that if you are not doing the same then u are throwing many yrs of betterment down the drain because u have a demand for morkies. Im not knoking you cause its your life but at least admit that you just dont care about what a proffesional breeder does, b/c if you did u would not do it the way you are. You are happy with the outcome you are getting and the money you are making. you do this for yourself not the dogs. If the ppl that did the research and time and effort to create all the wonderful purebreeds did what you are doing then we wouldnt have all the great breeds that exist now.

[Lizzie07]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

ouch!

rudeness rudeness which is applauded by the next poster...yet Hey is offensive

tsk tsk

Maybe it was a little harsh, but from the impression I have, you don't think breeders or rescues should have qualifications or screen the homes they place dogs in.

Originally Posted by tammy8833

yes there are millions of dogs in sheltes..mainly mutts heniz57
yes there are yorkies and i sympathize with them...but the marjority are not desired..most people want the puppy, they want to know where they came from, they dont want the baggage, the already learned bad habits and there are wonderful people out there that do and take them in and care for them and retrain them and give them the best..but thats not everyones cup o tea

I find several things you've said offensive and the one above is probably the worst. You have knocked rescue and adopting dogs all through this thread. First, nine out of ten of the dogs I have fostered and placed have NO baggage. Literally, no emotional baggage, or any other kind. Heck, I've had owners remove the collar the dog is wearing or the dog shows up with no collar so they don't even have literal baggage. Getting a puppy is no insurance that you are getting a problem free dog. Probably 1/3 of the IGs I gotten were puppies and not ONE, not one came from a reputable breeder. They've come from petstores, bought over the internet, and many from backyard breeders. The dogs that need the most rehabillitation are the ones that come directly from bybs or puppymills. Frequently the rescue gets puppies from owners who can not afford the health issues, or vet bills when one breaks a leg or has a luxating patellas.

It is a fallacy that if you adopt you get a dog with baggage and bad habits. A puppy is so much more difficult. An adult dog is so much easier to train and faster to train than a puppy. It requires a lot less repeitition to train.

I can't imagine placing a dog without screening the owners and having quailifications. I do home checks and reference checks. I care so much about the dogs, I want them in the best homes I can find. I wouldn't consider getting a puppy from a breeder who didn't screen before placing a puppy or dog.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by bellemarie

i have been quietly following this, but feel that somethings need to be brought to everyones attention (including your own Tammy).


there is so much that i dont agree with you on Tammy. you were more than unnessesarily rude to many YTers and IMO that alone shouldnt be justifiable. the question was answered, although not the way you wanted it to be worded, so you then got on the defensive- as many before you have- but if you enjoy this site enough to still be posting on it then you will have to learn to apologise when you offend and accept critism, advise and information when it is given in a factual substanciated form- and i have never seen anything less from the members that you are arguing with (in particular Mary).

also, yes, we are all human and deserve to be treated as such, but some people do have more knowlege than others and therefore deserve more respect. i know that i have countless superiors on this site and would never argue otherwise- afterall, i'm only 19 and many of the respected members have owned/bred/showed dogs for longer than i have been alive, so of course i am going to look up to them on the subject of dogs in general, never mind their own specailised areas of expertise; and some day i hope that i will be the same to less experienced/younger yorkie lovers who decide to take the ethical route of breeding- but that is MANY decades down the line.

so as i say, i have many superiors here, but i am superior to many dog owners i have come across- people who simply stick two dogs together and hope for the best with the puppies health & temperment etc, people who let their yorkie have puppies on their own or outside, people who breed 'teacups' to sell for top$ no matter what the real cost, people who kick a dog out onto the street to fend for herself only to end up starving and pregnant in a pound (kill shelter) that is so filled to capacity the staff are wary of mentioning her pregnancy in the risk of her not being adopted by her 5th day (btw, Callie and babies are doing wonderfully if anyone remembers that thread in the breeders section)... that doesn't make me a snob, just honest and observant.

Tammy, you say you don't care what people here think, then why are you still arguing and defending yourself if no ones approval here matters?

i think its time for me to rest my case, and OP, go with your gut on that woman, there has been so much helpful info posted for you to help with your search for a puppy (whether via breeder or shelter)... i wish you the best in your search!

i think everyone seems to forget where the rudeness started because she is the "authoritative figure"

and i truly have rarely been rude on this thread flippant yes..rude rare but due to frustration

im not trying to get approval but i do keeping commenting back on the post

i guess i am my own person do not feel like i need their approval
i do not need to follow in their foot steps of my "betters"

to learn from someone with exceptional knowledge is outstanding and worthy but you have to treat people how you want to be treated..it goes both ways

“The best teacher is the one who suggests rather than dogmatizes, and inspires his listener with the wish to teach himself.”
Edward Bulwer-Lytton

[capt_noonie]

I think a really big part of the problem is the general public out there think "pet quality" is just a dog, any old dog.

Show breeder/exhibitors breed their dogs to gain approval of their stock. Even though they use the same dogs or same lines of their dogs with champions in their pedigrees, every so often, some times often, sometimes not, there is a pup that they KNOW will not be able to get in the ring. Those are supposed to be true pet quality.

Bc most of the public do NOT do any homework other than google up puppies pics, they don't know that buying a dog from just anyone who just says they love to breed they are also adding to the problem. Also most of the public think that show dogs are too expensive. It's more disreputable breeders selling their dogs for insanely inflated prices trying to make the public think they are buying something more special or rare. Again, uninformed public being taken advantaged of by greeders. Those dogs are not show dogs. Far from it.

Some of you may remember back a few months when I stated my bff wanted to get a yorkie and she wanted my help. Wonderful! Not only can I help her find the right avenue to buy from a reputable breeder, but i can go down that path with her bc I didn't do it right the first time either. More and more talking got us fighting. She does not want a "show" dog, and she does not understand what pet quality means. She doesn't want to have to go through interviews etc to prove she is worthy of getting a dog from a reputable breeder. She just wants a dog and she wants to get it easily and now. With that attitude, she won't be able to get one from a reputable breeder.

So in steps the disreputable breeder....
Breeders that don't test
Breeders that cross breeds
Breeders that do it bc there is money to be made, the demand for it.
Breeders who sell to anyone with some cash or a credit card.
Bc they have a waiting list
etc, etc, etc
They breed bc of lazy people out there that don't want or care to have a good representation of the breed. People that think show people are "snobby". Use the word snob, elitist, whatever. People who are at the top work hard to get there and stay there. They hold themselves to a higher standard. Just bc others are lazy, uninformed or have low standards they should not accuse those who have high standards of being "snobs" or other insults. If you want to do something, do it right. If you want to bring lives into this already overpopulated world, DO IT RIGHT.

NO DISREPUTABLE BREEDER THINKS OF THEMSELVES AS DISREPUTABLE! They do not think they are backyard breeders. They are. Plain and simple. They think their actions can be justified by their lame reasons. They are really excuses. Breeding mixes does nothing for either breed. The families that BUY designers dogs are just a clueless as the people who breed them.

IF YOU WANT A MIX GO TO THE FREAKING SHELTER! There are purebred yorkies in my local shelters, cute ones too. Even more in rescue. Adopting one from rescue is harder bc we pay for vetting which costs money. We don't want the dog going to the wrong home and ending up back in rescue or a shelter. Adopting from the pound or shelter is easier bc they don't vet, only vax and spay/neuter. Lots of those dogs come back sadly.

More lame excuses, "I don't want a dog with problems." "I don't want a dog that I don't know where it came from, how it's temperament is." Same can be said for dogs with no testing, bred indiscriminately.

"I want a puppy." then three months later, "I'm giving away my dog, he can't be potty trained" More laziness. Dogs are easily trained. It just takes time and patience. if you don't have both, or either, don't get a dog. but why do so many people out there who have no time or patience have dogs? bc disreputable breeders sell to them. It's a never ending cycle bc of the uninformed public. If more and more of us stop and talk to these people and try to change the way the public views dogs and animals in general, there will be no market to fill and no more bybs and puppymills.

And no I did not quote and reply to anyone in particular, but if you got mad with anything that I stated, then perhaps I am talking to you.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Lizzie07

Maybe it was a little harsh, but from the impression I have, you don't think breeders or rescues should have qualifications or screen the homes they place dogs in.


this is completely untrue..i think they need to screen most definietly but i believe they could place more pets if they REALLY screened and didnt throw it out because of something that doesnt fit the bill per-say


I find several things you've said offensive and the one above is probably the worst. You have knocked rescue and adopting dogs all through this thread. First, nine out of ten of the dogs I have fostered and placed have NO baggage. Literally, no emotional baggage, or any other kind. Heck, I've had owners remove the collar the dog is wearing or the dog shows up with no collar so they don't even have literal baggage. Getting a puppy is no insurance that you are getting a problem free dog. Probably 1/3 of the IGs I gotten were puppies and not ONE, not one came from a reputable breeder. They've come from petstores, bought over the internet, and many from backyard breeders. The dogs that need the most rehabillitation are the ones that come directly from bybs or puppymills. Frequently the rescue gets puppies from owners who can not afford the health issues, or vet bills when one breaks a leg or has a luxating patellas.

It is a fallacy that if you adopt you get a dog with baggage and bad habits. A puppy is so much more difficult. An adult dog is so much easier to train and faster to train than a puppy. It requires a lot less repeitition to train.

I can't imagine placing a dog without screening the owners and having quailifications. I do home checks and reference checks. I care so much about the dogs, I want them in the best homes I can find. I wouldn't consider getting a puppy from a breeder who didn't screen before placing a puppy or dog.

i wasnt trying to be offensive..yet everyone has been offensive to me
anyhoo...i have NOTHING against rescues i tried to state how great i think of rescues and people who rescue BEFORE i explained what i thought...there are two sides to everything there are two views to everything...there are good and bad on either end. Rescues are not perfect for everyone, buying is not perfect for everyone so there are OPTIONS

[Babbs3772]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

sorry but i havent hurt anyone or anything..."no animals were hurt in the placing process "

you can say i am to blame for the dogs in shelters but since all the dogs i have placed have homes..im not to blame..o but you can blame me if it makes you feel better

I didn't say you hurt a dog or dogs, I didn't say you were solely to blame for the over population of mixed breeds and full breeds in Rescues and Shelters.

Nothing about this post makes me feel better to be honest and what would make feel better is clearly not going to happen.

What I did say is that I do not believe you are going to change your practices, that I feel anyone (not just you) who breeds dogs intentionally of mixed breeds is contributing to a population that is already over run with mixed breed and that the best I can do as a person is to make sure I say that I think it is irresponsible.

Silence will not save me, nor will it save others - humans and pets alike- and I feel comfortable expressing my opinions in a reasonable way, just as you have felt comfortable talking on this board.

Please do not take things so personally, I am sure that your personality is not under fire.