Dying/Enhancing the show Yorkie

[Brooklynn]

I know Maltese breeders, poodle breeders and other white coated dogs that are bleached to obtain the pure white coat and yes after a time and with the improper coat and the proper coat it will ruin it just like with human hair.

As I see it, even "IF" the Parti's were allowed to show you'll find those that will do whatever it takes to obtain what it takes with the coat to show their dog. I happens in all breeds not just the yorkie breed. You'll see some not throw away a perfectly structured dog and good in everything else except with the "exact" color not be shown...is it wrong to dye absolutely but it's done so what's the point of arguing about it? Parti's are not allowed in the show ring simple as that no point arguing about who colors, enhances ect...those are the people that have to live with what they do in the show ring and what they represent.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I think it's truly a mute point since the parti cannot be shown, but I'll bite....no, I would NEVER put peroxide on an animal. I'm surprised that you don't find it questionable that a show breeder applies a dye in hopes of winning a ribbon.

I guess I don't get it....why some are defending the practice of dyeing a coat in order to do well in a dog show?

I wasn't defending the use of dyes at all but what I was trying to say is that this is not specific to the Yorkie breed. If it is done in one breed it is mostly likely done in other breeds as well. It is just wrong all around IMO. But I was just trying to get the opinions of some of the people that were posting to this thread and wanted to bring up the reality that there are things that white coated dogs have done to them ie peroxide and bluing agents to enhance their coats as well.

[cheryl19]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Alot of work goes into the show dogs but I truly believe if done with love and care and patience you can just about train anyone of them to really enjoy it and I use that as a time to bond even with the pet yorkies I have
I also truly believe that if puppies are well socialized with humans and other dogs at an early age you do get a good trait in a puppy you get from a good breeder. I always socialize my pups with humans and the adult dogs after they have their first set of shots because I personally feel the older dogs teach them along with their mother.
Good topic

Donna

Donna, you are a wealth of information into the show world that most of us would never know. I love this thread, alot of good info.
And I see that with a good breeder not only do you get a healthy dog but a well socialized one too. Hopefully anyone that is looking for a puppy will also think about how the breeder bonds with their pups.

[terlis]

In the video when he is doing the top knot he appears to be using quite a bit of force when "back-combing", I believe it is called. I have never seen anyone make a top knot for the show ring and don't know if this is typical. It really does look like a lot of force. It looks like that would not be enjoyable. Does it just look worse than it actually is?

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Disney

Perhaps I not asking correct. If Maltese exhibitor or exhibitor of parti (if they in ring) did this with lightening shampoo, is ethical? I cannot figure out if this exhibitor is cheat.

Hope that more clear of what trying to know!

Maltese & other white dogs get urine stains, but show dogs are wrapped anyway to prevent that.
Let's say a Malt has a cream color mixed in w/the white, the whitening shampoos will not 'lighten' the cream color to white...no comparison.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Maltese & other white dogs get urine stains, but show dogs are wrapped anyway to prevent that.
Let's say a Malt has a cream color mixed in w/the white, the whitening shampoos will not 'lighten' the cream color to white...no comparison.

Thanks you! This help lot! So if shampoo used, it to help stains, not cheat?

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Disney

Thanks you! This help lot! So if shampoo used, it to help stains, not cheat?

I personally don't think it's cheating if using whitening shampoos, but I haven't found a whitening shampoo that completely rinses off urine stains either. If used too often, it dries out the skin.

[Disney]

The shampoo I has is *amazing* I literally have Maltese white hair! (for role in production I play) If you want know name, PM me.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Disney

Thanks you! This help lot! So if shampoo used, it to help stains, not cheat?

Disney have you ever heard of a board game called Scruples? It is one that is founded on playing on peoples ethics or value systems. It recognizes that the world is all shades of grey. You can have a lot of fun with this game.

The use of additives on a dogs coat is prohibited that in the strictest definition might even include hairspray or gel that is used to help hold up the topknot.

There are many many products out there that can give volumne body to a dogs coat, mitigate a cotton coat so that it appears more silk like, color washes, color enhancers, dyes, the list is almost endless. In terrier breeds they have shampoos to help keep the correct wirey texture, they have products to put into the coat to help that as you blowdry,etc.

Did you know that ironing the coat if done often enough can turn a coat brown? That sun can bleach out colour on a coat?

So hypothetically speaking if your dog has the true colored coat and you were camping and hiking and spending time out in the sun with your pups, their coats got sundamaged, and you had to show them, would it then be wrong to color the coat? Would you be unethical then?

Believe you me there are worse things done then dying a coat.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by gemy

Disney have you ever heard of a board game called Scruples? It is one that is founded on playing on peoples ethics or value systems. It recognizes that the world is all shades of grey. You can have a lot of fun with this game.

The use of additives on a dogs coat is prohibited that in the strictest definition might even include hairspray or gel that is used to help hold up the topknot.

There are many many products out there that can give volumne body to a dogs coat, mitigate a cotton coat so that it appears more silk like, color washes, color enhancers, dyes, the list is almost endless. In terrier breeds they have shampoos to help keep the correct wirey texture, they have products to put into the coat to help that as you blowdry,etc.

Did you know that ironing the coat if done often enough can turn a coat brown? That sun can bleach out colour on a coat?

So hypothetically speaking if your dog has the true colored coat and you were camping and hiking and spending time out in the sun with your pups, their coats got sundamaged, and you had to show them, would it then be wrong to color the coat? Would you be unethical then?

Believe you me there are worse things done then dying a coat.

What about testicle implants? I've seen these advertised to and was just shocked!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

What about testicle implants? I've seen these advertised to and was just shocked!

Surely you are joking.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by gemy

Disney have you ever heard of a board game called Scruples? It is one that is founded on playing on peoples ethics or value systems. It recognizes that the world is all shades of grey. You can have a lot of fun with this game.

The use of additives on a dogs coat is prohibited that in the strictest definition might even include hairspray or gel that is used to help hold up the topknot.

There are many many products out there that can give volumne body to a dogs coat, mitigate a cotton coat so that it appears more silk like, color washes, color enhancers, dyes, the list is almost endless. In terrier breeds they have shampoos to help keep the correct wirey texture, they have products to put into the coat to help that as you blowdry,etc.

Did you know that ironing the coat if done often enough can turn a coat brown? That sun can bleach out colour on a coat?

So hypothetically speaking if your dog has the true colored coat and you were camping and hiking and spending time out in the sun with your pups, their coats got sundamaged, and you had to show them, would it then be wrong to color the coat? Would you be unethical then?

Believe you me there are worse things done then dying a coat.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I know Maltese breeders, poodle breeders and other white coated dogs that are bleached to obtain the pure white coat and yes after a time and with the improper coat and the proper coat it will ruin it just like with human hair.

As I see it, even "IF" the Parti's were allowed to show you'll find those that will do whatever it takes to obtain what it takes with the coat to show their dog. I happens in all breeds not just the yorkie breed. You'll see some not throw away a perfectly structured dog and good in everything else except with the "exact" color not be shown...is it wrong to dye absolutely but it's done so what's the point of arguing about it? Parti's are not allowed in the show ring simple as that no point arguing about who colors, enhances ect...those are the people that have to live with what they do in the show ring and what they represent.

I think you have made a very good point. In the end we all have to live withour decisions and our reasons for doing what we do.

We should probably all be out sweeping our own doorsteps and stop worrying about what others are doing.

Gotta go find my broom, can't remember where I parked it.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Surely you are joking.

Nope!

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[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Nope!

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That takes enhancing to a whole new level. So I assume that these are used for neutered dogs.