Defamation, dishonesty and untruths
 

I would like to start out by saying that some recent events have come to my attention concerning a YorkieTalk member. In the past, this person has used this forum and other places to harass, slander and defame me. For 5 years this person has told her false claims about me to many people. This started in 2005 and is still continuing. Some things have recently come to light that I would like to share.

I sold this person a Male Yorkie puppy on November 30, 2004 and she was given a 5 generation pedigree. She was told about the pups breeding (half brother half sister breeding) before she purchased the puppy. This person contacted me two months later wanting another puppy but said she needed to sell a diamond ring before she had the money. A few days later I received a call that the little male she purchased from me months earlier, was having seizures. I was told by her, that her Vet said he was hypoglycemic. I received harassing calls from this person and asked for more information from the Vet but she would not provide a Vets name nor a Vets statement.

As many know, siezures can be caused by a number of things, not just due to genetic or hereditary reasons. I was left a message by her husband to put the money paid for him in the mail to them. I later received a letter from an attorney to send them the money paid for him, as he would need medication and a lifetime of monitoring. I did not send this person the money. I then start seeing this person posting on this forum and other places some very untrue things about me. Here are a few of this persons post.


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/55236-post1.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/55306-post5.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/67949-post4.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/81219-post4.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/598365-post1.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/598375-post3.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/1236008-post16.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/638674-post5.html

Please see thread dated 10-6-2005 http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/248448-post19.html, where she said once she changed brands of dog food, his seizures ended, yet she continues to post defaming/bad breeder in various YT threads about me after this date.

In May 2010 it was brought to my attention that this person now has another website and has her pedigrees posted on the site. In two of her stud dogs pedigrees are the bloodlines of the dog she purchased from me (the dog who she claims had hereditary seizures). In two of her female dogs pedigree is also the bloodline of the dog she purchased from me.

Here are the pedigrees and I would like it noted that I did not remove them from her website. This persons pedigrees had photos on them. I purchased my pedigree information of her dogs from AKC.

ANGELIC CANINES |
ANGELIC CANINES |
ANGELIC CANINES |
ANGELIC CANINES |


Also in the pedigree of her stud (parti carrier) that was purchased in late 2009, she's used a picture of my parti male, whom I took a picture of and put on my parti Yorkie website - she used my studs photo on her site without my permission.

If she felt Scooters bloodlines were so faulty, why do so many of her dogs have that breeding and why would she want to double up on that so called "faulty" line? Why would she say in one thread, that I'm a bad breeder, then in another thread say that the dog was fine once his dog food was changed, and than switch back to later posts saying I'm a bad breeder again? And if I was such a disreputable breeder, why would she want to post photos of my stud on her pedigree (this copyrighted photo being posted without my permission)?

OMG, The poor baby :( That is hearbreaking.

I'm confused, does Scooter belong to you or the op? The link you provided is the op's website if I am not mistaken. So who has Scooter now?

By the way, I did not view but the first 10 seconds of the video, too disturbing!

Very Sad :(

Scooter was bought from the OP.
The website is my old site.
He was placed in a pet home once his seizures were under control.
The OP is not happy with me because I posted a bad review about her about her 5 years ago.
I have since moved on but she can't seem to let it go.

That poor baby!

This story sounds eerily familiar, in more ways than one.

I'm confused. Is this person using the dog in question for breeding?

In looking at the pedigree, it most certainly DOES appear that the parents of Toot Toot were half siblings (both sired by Bilmar's Dandy Donovan) That can't ever be good.

ETA: Sorry, just saw that the puppy had been placed as a pet and is not being used for breeding. Thanks for clearing that up.

Thanks for explaining that, I was a bit confused. So sorry that you have to keep re-living a horrible incident!

I'm sorry your pup and you had to go through this but didn't you say that the pup was ok once you switched brands of dog food? Sounds like it was due to an allergic reaction to what he was eating?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/248448-post19.html

"The vet start him on Phenobarbital that didn't stop them and he had to add Potassium bromide. I also changed his dog food from royal caine to puppy chow. His seizures stopped. I think you said you were feeing your the royal caine and it also make me wonder if this is some kind of reaction to the food as well. It took about 3-4 day after I stopped feeding the royal canie for the seizure to stop. The vet said scooters were unknown but he also said it could have been from the breeder, breeding a half brother/half sister together too."

You think ??

I did notice that the op states that Scooter is being used for breeding. Close line breeding is not uncommon.

I wouldn't interpret that as saying the food was the cause of the seizures at all. Just that the meds were changed around the same time as the food and the seizures stopped. Since meds take several days to reach a therapeutic level, the timing could be coincidental.

You don't???

It took 2 different meds before they were under control.
The breeder had him on royal caine for 5 months.
The seizure started when he was 7 months.

Yorkie states that the dog was placed as a pet in another home. The OP doesn't show any pedigrees that show him as being used for breeding.

Yes, I read what was posted, that is why I said the op "states" the dog is being you for breeding.

Could have been a bad batch of food, we hear about things like this all the time. Is Scooter still on the seizure meds?

He was never used for breeding.
I place him with someone free.
They had him neutered and had the resources to keep up testing and meds.

The OP states that yorkiegirl2 was defaming her.

Defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm

I don't see anything that rises to the level of defamation. Was the puppy having seizures: Yep, that's proven by the video. Was the puppy inbred? Yep, the pedigree proves that. Whether that is common practice or not, it's still a true and accurate statement.

Yorkiegirl2: I'm glad the puppy was placed with someone who had the sense to neuter him and was able to continue treatments.

I think the first pedigree posted is of the dog Scooter, the other pedigrees are of yorkiegirl2's other dogs who all have the same line that Scooter has through Champagne Wishes Bam Bam. You'd think if someone felt a line had hereditary problems, that you'd probably want to steer clear of those lines?

There is a small percentage of those dog in my lines.
I've never had a problem but then again I don't inbreed.
And if there was a problem I'd stop breeding the dogs who produced the problem and make things with the buyer. NOT JUST TURN MY HEAD !

Obviously if the OP is posting this after her 5 year ordeal, it has caused her to suffer harm. Wether it's mentally, emotionally, financially or what ever, she's been affected by what her buyer has posted. It's claimed (from the posted links) that the OP is a bad breeder and that the pups seizure was Possibly caused by the half brother/sister breeding, this wasn't proven and seizures even ended after changing foods, but the OP is still being called a bad breeder?

My guess if the OP felt that she was at fault, she would just ignored the situation but by coming on her to defend herself it seems that she's just had enough.

No, you're line breeding and if you were concerned of flaws in that line, you should be outcrossing.

So you'd stop breeding the two dogs who produced the problem based on what an unhappy customer says without any proof from the vet? Seizures can be caused by many, many things and not just for genetic or hereditary
reasons ...

You didn't answer my earlier question, is Scooter still on the two prescribed medications Phenobarbital and Potassium bromide to control the seizures?

But why come on and bring up a 4 year old post? The latest post that she offered up as an example is from 2007 and was an update on how the dog was doing with the new family. If yorkie was still posting things about the breeder, then yes, she should have the right to defend herself. But it just seems like a moot point to be dragging it back in to the spotlight now.

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative about this. It just doesn't make sense to me to rehash this publicly now. Does she have the right to have her feelings hurt because of what was posted? Of course. But calling it defamation when an opinion is expressed is just as hurtful (In MY opinion, of course ;) )

Anger
 

I have to state I am disgusted by the video of the poor boy! How could anyone stand there and give a play by play of his seizure and not hold and comfort him? I could never do that to one of my kids even if I was mad at their breeder! All creators big and small God made them all and as far as I am concerned they all deserve to be loved! Shame on both of you in my opinion.

Maybe we don't know the whole story but it appears that they both live in Missouri, maybe they know the same people and maybe what was said about this breeder of 30 years, has caused her unnecessary fear (of what's being said and talked about behind her back) as well as, shame and humiliation.

As for Defamation, would you liked to be labeled something, solely based on someone's unproven opinion? The vet's opinion was that the seizures could have been caused by the inbreeding (but it also could have been caused by a dozen other things too).

It's terrible that this happened to all involved (especially Scooter) but I hope he's doing well where he is now.

OMG the video of that poor baby just breaks my heart!!!!!
The fact of the matter is that is or was one sick pup. If I had to watch my puppy go through that I would be upset as well.:eek:
I hope the pup is doing ok now.