Some nerve!

[LuvMyPuppE]

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

[cheryl19]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

Well I did get my 3 from a rescue, rehome and a shelter. And the pretty penny has been the cost at the vets when you get a puppymill dog (my rescue was a puppymill mother).
But I think most people are trying to get people to stop spending money at the breeders that breed mix dogs. Because call them what you wish they are still mutts and everyday the shelters kill 1000s. You will love your shelter dog as much as if you spent big bucks.... I do.
The people that get from a good breeder are trying to keep the yorkie line pure. I was one of thoes people that said how can people spend money at a breeders when the shelters are so full? Well now I understand what the breeders are trying to do, keep their breed going strong and true.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by cheryl19

Well I did get my 3 from a rescue, rehome and a shelter. And the pretty penny has been the cost at the vets when you get a puppymill dog (my rescue was a puppymill mother).
But I think most people are trying to get people to stop spending money at the breeders that breed mix dogs. Because call them what you wish they are still mutts and everyday the shelters kill 1000s. You will love your shelter dog as much as if you spent big bucks.... I do.
The people that get from a good breeder are trying to keep the yorkie line pure. I was one of thoes people that said how can people spend money at a breeders when the shelters are so full? Well now I understand what the breeders are trying to do, keep their breed going strong and true.

excellently worded - I never saw that particular thread - but with everyone and their uncle breeding 'designer' dogs .why encourage it ? Many good breeders invest their lives into their lines - while someone who is selling mixed puppies is basically throwing 2 dogs together and giving them cute names -

don't get me wrong - I think they're all cute but I also wouldn't fork out what a purebred dog costs - and to clarify - I got my first yorkie years ago (Chanel) and didn't know what I know now ...I consider myself lucky neither of my girls have health issues - it could have easily gone the other way considering her 'breeder'

Either way you look at it - dogs are being overbred - too many now trying to profit from the 'craze' of designer dogs and there's no end in site ...Shelters have been around forever and you'd think we'd have a better handle on reducing the shelter population (and rescue) - but we don't and never will with so many people selling puppies now

[maryeverett1]

Thanks for writing this thread luvmypuppE! I'm so sick of what's good for the goose not being good for the gander and you said it well! While I have yorkies and have no intention of getting a morkie I'm sick of those breeders being called unethical just because of the dogs they choose to breed. And anything but a purebred blue steel and gold yorkie being called a mutt which by definition is a "mongrel dog who's origin is in question!" it's a bit elitist to me and if we are going to talk about the shelter problem then no one should be breeding dogs period! It definitely was an interesting thread and glad it bugged someone else too!

[red98vett]

Well.....this has nothing to do with 'morkies' - who I think are adorable but still aren't purebred - don't know how many of you remember when the rage was a 'Puggle' - the man who cross bred to get that particular dog was busted in one of the biggest mill busts ever.

He created a 'designer' dog - yet was running one of the biggest puppy mills in the country. You can google him - he was discussed right on this site before he was busted and it was quite obvious his creation was very profitable - why he had to run a mill with over a 1000 dogs blew my mind

IF I ever were to get another dog - it would be a shelter dog. I've already decided that.....but it still stands to reason that the true breeders invest into their lines - while many don't -

yorkies or morkies - there's good and bad out there - but the prices should reflect what goes into the breeding and not what's 'hot' at the moment ....when you see a well bred YORKIE - you know it.

[Reese1]

I'm sorry, but I believe that post asked if that was too much for a Morkie, they were asking for opinions and that's what people were sharing.
There are so many YT members that work with rescue shelters and a lot of member have adopted from shelters and rescues. So I don't think it's a fair statement to say that members bypassed these options to get a puppy!
I have three dogs. One Yorkie we did buy from a breeder at 12 weeks, one Yorkie that we rescued at 2 1/2yrs & one Yorkie Poo that was being rehomed by a family who kept her in the basement.
I love Crosley (Yorkie Poo), but she is a mutt in that she is a mix, no one questions whether it's ok to love these dogs, of course it is.
The question is whether it's ethical for breeders to be cross breeding and selling these dogs as "rare" "designer" "hybrid" etc... and what their motivations are.
I do think using the word "ethical" to question why a breeder would cross breed is correct, IMO. Mixing different breeds of dogs are dogs that can't be shown & can't be registered. So to me it seems the motivation is money. It can't be for betterment of a breed since you are mixing breeds.
Ethics are professional standards and behaviors. If you are cross breeding for the purpose of selling dogs and making money, that is unethical the way I view it.
Shelters and rescues are full of mixed breed dogs and even poorly pure bred dogs from puppy mills & BYBs so I see no point in encouraging these practices. JMO!

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

I paid for a healthy well bred Yorkshire Terrier from a ethical reputable breeder. You by now having read many post should know what that means in comparison to a poorly bred BYB designer, hybrid, mixed breed, mutt/mongrel puppy that was brought into this world to sale for $$$$ to people who don't have a clue of what ethical breeding or having the knowledge of genetics when it comes to breeding, is all about. If you don't know by now after reading many post understand the difference then I suggest you re-read, do some research on the subject matter. There is nothing wrong with loving a mixed breed if you have or get one and no one has ever suggested other wise. What was said was to stop supporting unethical breeders! And if you desire to have a mixed breed get one from a rescue or shelter which is where most of them end up.

[Darlene68]

I think it's sad that everyone thinks it's okay to purposely mix breeds and call them "designer" just to make a buck, and the names they brand some of these mixes, I don't know where they come up with them I think most YT'er's try to educate, I know I've learned tons here, and am still learning. I was ignorant to a lot of stuff before I found YT.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I paid for a healthy well bred Yorkshire Terrier from a ethical reputable breeder. You by now having read many post should know what that means in comparison to a poorly bred BYB designer, hybrid, mixed breed, mutt/mongrel puppy that was brought into this world to sale for $$$$ to people who don't have a clue of what ethical breeding or having the knowledge of genetics when it comes to breeding, is all about. If you don't know by now after reading many post understand the difference then I suggest you re-read, do some research on the subject matter. There is nothing wrong with loving a mixed breed if you have or get one and no one has ever suggested other wise. What was said was to stop supporting unethical breeders! And if you desire to have a mixed breed get one from a rescue or shelter which is where most of them end up.

There IS nothing wrong with mixed breeds - it's the price gouging that sucks - and there is way too much of that these days. People feel if they slap a huge pricetag on something it makes it special - whether it be dogs or other things - it's just the way of the world now but doesn't make it right

people offering advise on pricing is helpful for someone who needs that kind of help - it's not saying mixed dogs are not great pets

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by cheryl19

Well I did get my 3 from a rescue, rehome and a shelter. And the pretty penny has been the cost at the vets when you get a puppymill dog (my rescue was a puppymill mother).
But I think most people are trying to get people to stop spending money at the breeders that breed mix dogs. Because call them what you wish they are still mutts and everyday the shelters kill 1000s. You will love your shelter dog as much as if you spent big bucks.... I do.
The people that get from a good breeder are trying to keep the yorkie line pure. I was one of thoes people that said how can people spend money at a breeders when the shelters are so full? Well now I understand what the breeders are trying to do, keep their breed going strong and true.

Cheryl not only do I agree with you but I resemble your comment! :P

To the OPer, your thought process is the exact reason that Cheryl and I were both about to be the proud owners of our pups but truth be told it does not make your ideas correct.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I paid for a healthy well bred Yorkshire Terrier from a ethical reputable breeder. You by now having read many post should know what that means in comparison to a poorly bred BYB designer, hybrid, mixed breed, mutt/mongrel puppy that was brought into this world to sale for $$$$ to people who don't have a clue of what ethical breeding or having the knowledge of genetics when it comes to breeding, is all about. If you don't know by now after reading many post understand the difference then I suggest you re-read, do some research on the subject matter. There is nothing wrong with loving a mixed breed if you have or get one and no one has ever suggested other wise. What was said was to stop supporting unethical breeders! And if you desire to have a mixed breed get one from a rescue or shelter which is where most of them end up.

Lots and lots of BYB and PM's that breed only purebred dogs too.

[jencar98]

I don't see a problem in recommending the person search for a morkie through rescues and shelters rather than to pay an exorbitant price for a mixed breed, from what I would consider an unethical breeder.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

Every one of my "animals" were rescues and I can tell you that if you met them in the streets you would not know it.

People use the word "mutt" because these pups are NOT designers ... they are simply mixed breed pups that lazy people breed. Yes, I said lazy! People who breed these pups and charge high prices are making money off of them!! This is not a love of the "breed" or the pup....it is greed, pure and simple. Sorry if that steps on anyone's toes. The word "mutt" is used to inform and educate....it may sound unkind, but anyone saying it is not trying to say those pups are awful. It is just that the breeding is wrong..there is NO genetic testing being done...nothing. Just putting two breeds together for a buck.

And...YES, it is a problem with the pet population; just as the mills and byb's who are selling poorly bred purebreds...doing no genetic testing..nothing. Just pumping out pups for a buck. There are tons of mixed breed pups in shelters...just go pick one out and call it whatever you want...guess the breeds and come up with a name. Guaranteed to be a great pup and a heck of a lot cheaper than the ones the greeders are breeding.

No one is against responsible breeding. The key word: responsible. I don't know how anyone can call these people who are doing this "responsible".

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

Well, I don't know who you are refering to. I posted on that thread and yes did in fact suggest if she looks for a second dog to try a rescue or a shelter as there are quite a few mixed pups or designer pups as they were now given a fancy name. And, NO I didn't pay a pretty penny for my Yorkies. I adopted ALL of mine, all but one, including my mixed up pup (What they now call a Morkie). I don't find it unreasonable to suggest looking into rescue or a shelter. I suggest this with pure breeds as well as mixed breeds. The shelters and rescues are bombarded with both right now. People are losing their homes or are unable to afford their pets now, due to the economy and sadly their pets are ending up in already over crowded rescues and shelters. Some kill shelters where they are only given a week if they are lucky before they are gassed. Not humanely euthanized, but gassed. So, no I don't feel bad with what I wrote in that thread.

Elaine

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Every one of my "animals" were rescues and I can tell you that if you met them in the streets you would not know it.

People use the word "mutt" because these pups are NOT designers ... they are simply mixed breed pups that lazy people breed. Yes, I said lazy! People who breed these pups and charge high prices are making money off of them!! This is not a love of the "breed" or the pup....it is greed, pure and simple. Sorry if that steps on anyone's toes. The word "mutt" is used to inform and educate....it may sound unkind, but anyone saying it is not trying to say those pups are awful. It is just that the breeding is wrong..there is NO genetic testing being done...nothing. Just putting two breeds together for a buck.

And...YES, it is a problem with the pet population; just as the mills and byb's who are selling poorly bred purebreds...doing no genetic testing..nothing. Just pumping out pups for a buck. There are tons of mixed breed pups in shelters...just go pick one out and call it whatever you want...guess the breeds and come up with a name. Guaranteed to be a great pup and a heck of a lot cheaper than the ones the greeders are breeding.

No one is against responsible breeding. The key word: responsible. I don't know how anyone can call these people who are doing this "responsible".

Well said. Elaine