Some nerve!

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

simply mixed breed pups that lazy people breed. Yes, I said lazy!

NO genetic testing being done...nothing. Just putting two breeds together for a buck.

I don't think calling people names is really appropriate or fair. When you start name you are only being hurtful. To me it is right up there with being called stupid..

And yes, there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dos, I know many who do.

[Brooklynn]

I posted on that thread too and suggested rescue and a shelter if they didn't want a purebred...
Again, I'm gonna say this and I hope I don't get reprimanded LOL..I think the OP loves to start trouble...JMHO

Donna

[Mardelin]

In my opinion I don't think most members are telling people where to get there dogs, but arming them with knowledge to help them make an educated choice.

If one chooses to get their dog from a rescue, make sure it is an accredited rescue.

If you choose a puppy from the pound/shelter, be aware that this dog may come with it's own set of issues and you will have to put the time, money and effort to overcome them.

If one chooses to get a cross breed. Be aware of where you get your dog. One shouldn't be paying exhorbant prices in the name of the flavor of the month, Designer Dog, etc. Keeping in mind that no reputable breeder would purposely cross breed, although accidents at times happen. However, if they do, reputable breeders would never sell these dogs, they would place these puppies with no fee attached to them

If one chooses a purebred breed, do your homework, seek out your breeder first, develop a relationship, make sure that breeder has the pups welfare first. Your breeder should be there 7x24 for the rest of that dogs life. The deal should never end when you walk out that door with your puppy.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

I don't think calling people names is really appropriate or fair. When you start name you are only being hurtful. To me it is right up there with being called stupid..

And yes, there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dos, I know many who do.

Not calling anyone a name. Just my feelings about why people breed irresponsibly and charge crazy amounts of money.

Strike the word lazy.....and simply focus on the fact that people are breeding pups that simply are not worth the money being charged. Do tell me WHY that is going on?? Why are they breeding them? Seriously...what is the reason...if not money???

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I posted on that thread too and suggested rescue and a shelter if they didn't want a purebred...
Again, I'm gonna say this and I hope I don't get reprimanded LOL..I think the OP loves to start trouble...JMHO

Donna

I agree with you.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

I don't think calling people names is really appropriate or fair. When you start name you are only being hurtful. To me it is right up there with being called stupid..

And yes, there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dos, I know many who do.

I don't think LadyJane was calling anyone in particular lazy but using the word in general and those that breed for "mutts" in my opinion are lazy to do research on what is wrong in doing this...,.
when they breed for "mutts" yes I said "mutts". I grew up with mutts and in MY opinion there is nothing wrong with calling them that. I'm sick and tired of people wanting everyone to be politically correct...

Donna

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I posted on that thread too and suggested rescue and a shelter if they didn't want a purebred...
Again, I'm gonna say this and I hope I don't get reprimanded LOL..I think the OP loves to start trouble...JMHO

Donna

I agree with you Donna, so if you get in trouble I will too. The OP tried to stir it with her post on the thread about the Russian child being sent back. I was the only one that bit (nicely) but it could have gotten messy with people who have children adopted from overseas. E.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

I don't think calling people names is really appropriate or fair. When you start name you are only being hurtful. To me it is right up there with being called stupid..

And yes, there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dos, I know many who do.

Stating being lazy is not calling them names. It is calling out their actions.

What actual breed genetic health test is done from mix breeding by BYB's? Please don't mention a common vet check. They do not pay for the proper testing.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Thanks for writing this thread luvmypuppE! I'm so sick of what's good for the goose not being good for the gander and you said it well! While I have yorkies and have no intention of getting a morkie I'm sick of those breeders being called unethical just because of the dogs they choose to breed. And anything but a purebred blue steel and gold yorkie being called a mutt which by definition is a "mongrel dog who's origin is in question!" it's a bit elitist to me and if we are going to talk about the shelter problem then no one should be breeding dogs period! It definitely was an interesting thread and glad it bugged someone else too!

I think you are missing the entire point of why we feel that they are unethical. When you take 2 pure bred dog that were bred to the standard AKC and mix them together you are no longer breeding to standard since one does not exist. When a reputable breeder pairs 2 dogs to create puppies they look for certain things that will take place genetically and have been bred into the lines they are creating. With this thought, a reputable breeder would NEVER sell one of their dogs and include breeding right to someone who planned to mix the lines of 2 different pedigreed dogs. So right off the bat you are then starting out with a substandard breeding pair. Keeping this in mind why would anyone want to purchase substandard puppies from a breeder that is creating and selling mixes for a huge profit? It is wrong all the way around.

I own 2 "Morkies" but they are substandard and are both from a rescues. If someone saw Bogey they would think he was a "designer" blonde Yorkie but he is not he's a mix. He was from the shelter and I paid under $50 for him and I think he is beautiful! Doodlebug is from a Mill rescue and he is pretty dare cute too but his mother was pumping out puppies for YEARS from an Amish mill in Ohio. The miller was a horrible man. The vet that spayed the females after they were taken by the rescue said the many of the females had organs sewn together from the "miller c-sections" that were performed on the bitches when they were not able to deliver puppies naturally. This is were a great majority of these mixes come from and surely you do not agree with this barbaric behavior. But when you believe that people should be allowed to breed what they want this IS what you promoting. The purchase of any mix that is called a "designer or hybrid" is only perpetuation the suffering of so many others and if people became more familiar with what REALLY goes on in the seedy world of mills and BYBers making money off the back of this poor dogs how could you not agree that it should not be condoned and frowned upon. It is WRONG and I will stick by this statement forever!

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Not calling anyone a name. Just my feelings about why people breed irresponsibly and charge crazy amounts of money.

Strike the word lazy.....and simply focus on the fact that people are breeding pups that simply are not worth the money being charged. Do tell me WHY that is going on?? Why are they breeding them? Seriously...what is the reason...if not money???

Oh I am not saying they aren't doing it for the money.. Believe it or not, I am sick of all the new mixes I see pop up every day. I am 100% against commercial kennels as well. There is A LOT I don't like. I am just saying that not everyone breeding mixes are in it for the money or are lazy people.

I have had 2 people in the last 2 weeks (where do they come from is a good question) asking me if I would breed my cockapoo with their dog. One lady owns a havanese, wanted to breed with my cockapoo? WHY? And the other one wanted Ripley to breed with her dog that was some crazy off the wall mix already.

And NO I DID NOT do it!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I agree with you Donna, so if you get in trouble I will too. The OP tried to stir it with her post on the thread about the Russian child being sent back. I was the only one that bit (nicely) but it could have gotten messy with people who have children adopted from overseas. E.

I mean it's ok to state your opinion even if "I" don't agree with it but it seems to me of course this person only posts controversial threads or posts...I may be wrong and if I am I will apologize...just something in my gut tells me this and I always go with my gut...

Donna

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I mean it's ok to state your opinion even if "I" don't agree with it but it seems to me of course this person only posts controversial threads or posts...I may be wrong and if I am I will apologize...just something in my gut tells me this and I always go with my gut...

Donna

Not wrong at all, I think most are in agreement.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I don't think LadyJane was calling anyone in particular lazy but using the word in general and those that breed for "mutts" in my opinion are lazy to do research on what is wrong in doing this...,.
when they breed for "mutts" yes I said "mutts". I grew up with mutts and in MY opinion there is nothing wrong with calling them that. I'm sick and tired of people wanting everyone to be politically correct...

Donna

Thank you...that is exactly what I meant.

Yeah....the PC thing is a bit out of control at times.

Hey...speaking of "mutts", my Cookie who won the YT Halloween contest this year is a yorkie "mutt"! She is a wonderful pup....got her from a shelter and she is worth a LOT of money in my book. She is smart as a whip and such a total pleasure!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

a mutt which by definition is a "mongrel dog who's origin is in question!"

Just curious, but who's definition is that?

Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

Main Entry: mutt
Pronunciation: \ˈmət\
Function: noun
Etymology: short for muttonhead dull-witted person
Date: 1899
1 : a stupid or insignificant person : fool
2 : a mongrel dog : cur
Main Entry: mon·grel
Pronunciation: \ˈmäŋ-grəl, ˈməŋ-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, probably from mong mixture, short for ymong, from Old English gemong crowd — more at among
Date: 15th century
1 : an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2 : a cross between types of persons or things

Sorry, but by valid definition, the term mutt is accurate when used to refer to any mixed breed dog. If use of the term offends people, then that is their own personal issue to deal with.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I don't think LadyJane was calling anyone in particular lazy but using the word in general and those that breed for "mutts" in my opinion are lazy to do research on what is wrong in doing this...,.
when they breed for "mutts" yes I said "mutts". I grew up with mutts and in MY opinion there is nothing wrong with calling them that. I'm sick and tired of people wanting everyone to be politically correct...

Donna

Donna your the perfect person to ask this question. Would you EVER consider selling one of your dogs with breeding right to someone who wanted to breed Morkies, Shorkies, Dorkies, Horkies or some other mix?