Sorry i had the wrong address help

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by star28c

i spoke with my friend she said even if its from Reputable Breeder
and she the parents how do you really for sure know the puppy wont be ill i couldnt answer this question because i just dont know

Reputable breeders have good health guarantees and stand by their lines, backyard breeders don't. Perhaps you ought to tell your friend about Yorkietalk!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by star28c

i spoke with my friend she said even if its from Reputable Breeder
and she the parents how do you really for sure know the puppy wont be ill i couldnt answer this question because i just dont know

That's the thing, you don't know. Even with a reputable breeder there is never a 100% guarantee. What you do get with a good breeder is someone that will stand behind their dog. They want to know the things you find out and support you every step of the way, good times and bad. That's what health guarantees are for.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by star28c

i spoke with my friend she said even if its from Reputable Breeder
and she the parents how do you really for sure know the puppy wont be ill i couldnt answer this question because i just dont know

Here's a little insight:

Reputable breeders test their breeding stock. However, this is never a guarantee that a puppy will not have a problem. What is a guarantee is that a reputable breeder will stand behind their pups, offer a good guarantee and be there for you should anything go wrong....

[Fantastic49]

Originally Posted by star28c

i spoke with my friend she said even if its from Reputable Breeder
and she the parents how do you really for sure know the puppy wont be ill i couldnt answer this question because i just dont know

many times puppy brokers posing as breeders have just the puppies, and the parents are not there b/c they are really lying to you and getting the puppies from puppy mills . they know that it will expose them if you want to come and get the puppies and see the parents, which should be there with the puppies.

any puppy can get ill, but it's much more likely to have health problems if its parents are in a puppy mill b/c its parents are not cared for properly.

and the other stuff the other posters said!!! i think mardelin's post about purchasing a breeder first is really key!! you have to feel confident that not only is the breeder nice (anyone trying to get this much cash will be nice to you), but that you can trust them!!

[Mardelin]

Keep in mind, that often times you will not be able to see the sire. As the female may have been sent out for breeding to a sire. This is done at times when a breeder doesn't have males of their own and/or has their girl bred to a stud that can improve their lines. Or it is very possible that a breeder has the stud that another breeder has sent their female to be bred too. And in lue of a stud fee, recieved a puppy back for the breeding. Both are very common practices amongst reputable breeders. Especially those that exhibit.

[Ladymom]

The Traylers are on the USDA "puppymill" list:

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

The Traylers are on the USDA "puppymill" list:

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

So do you think they are just bringing puppies to their home to cover the mill?

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

So do you think they are just bringing puppies to their home to cover the mill?

USDA requires high volume commercial kennels that wholesale puppies to brokers and pet stores to be licensed. I don't know what the particular situation here is, but obviously they met that criteria.

[Fantastic49]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Here's a little insight:

Reputable breeders test their breeding stock. However, this is never a guarantee that a puppy will not have a problem. What is a guarantee is that a reputable breeder will stand behind their pups, offer a good guarantee and be there for you should anything go wrong....

listen, i don't have anywhere even close to the experience of these ladies, but at the end of the day, something just doesn't add up here....

Originally Posted by Ladymom

The Traylers are on the USDA "puppymill" list:

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

see, like this ^ ^

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

The Traylers are on the USDA "puppymill" list:

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

Also, it may be a coincidence that the person listed below the "Traylers" in question has the same last name and lives on the same street, but that seems a little too much of a coincidence to me.
When I googled that name here is what I found:

Kennel Footage - Puppies Aren't Products - Best Friends Network

[star28c]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Also, it may be a coincidence that the person listed below the "Traylers" in question has the same last name and lives on the same street, but that seems a little too much of a coincidence to me.
When I googled that name here is what I found:

Kennel Footage - Puppies Aren't Products - Best Friends Network

my friend spoke with judy and ask can she come see the puppy
pick her up instead of her shipping her and judy, stated yes please aslo
she would love it if karen could keep in contact with her, as judy keep
in contact with all her last buyers, so i dont know? she also seems to really
know alot about the dog, teething, not to put a collar around the neck
because it can damage the dogs vocals, she just seems to know alot
about yorkies, seems very caring, , i mean it to me just doent seem like a broker or a puppy mill she supports i could be off, on this one but when i bought coby i couldnt even come in contact with my breeders, tami and bret, and they had no info at all on coby,
i got all my support from YTs, this ladys willing and said call me anytime
about the puppy, your welcome to visit our home anytime, now she did state that the airport, wont allow you to send clothes, blankets toys,
in with the dog, even if you do they take it from them because of the
airport becoming so strick, for secuirty reasons?

[Mardelin]

[QUOTE=star28c;3081259]my friend spoke with judy and ask can she come see the puppy
pick her up instead of her shipping her and judy, stated yes please aslo
she would love it if karen could keep in contact with her, as judy keep
in contact with all her last buyers, so i dont know? she also seems to really
know alot about the dog, teething, not to put a collar around the neck
because it can damage the dogs vocals, she just seems to know alot
about yorkies, seems very caring, , i mean it to me just doent seem like a broker or a puppy mill she supports i could be off, on this one but when i bought coby i couldnt even come in contact with my breeders, tami and bret, and they had no info at all on coby,
i got all my support from YTs, this ladys willing and said call me anytime
about the puppy, your welcome to visit our home anytime, now she did state that the airport, wont allow you to send clothes, blankets toys,
in with the dog, even if you do they take it from them because of the
airport becoming so strick, for secuirty reasons?[/QUOTE

Your friend is very intent on purchasing her pup from these people. I'm not sure what puppy she's interested in? But, from my observation there are a few of them that were born in February and no where near to leave their mothers.

I see no pictures of parents, no offer of a guarantee. Anybody can pick up the right talk on how to communicate with potential new owners. The internet has made it easy. So, because someone can recite yorkie info, doesn't make them knowledgable.

I have reservations when a breeder ships a puppy at such a young age to someone that they've never met. There website says the fully screen new owners; how is that possible when several families don't live locally.

Several people have given advice to stay away from these people. MO, is known for puppy mills, brokers, USDA wholesale breeders, etc. My gut feeling is to stay away too. But, in the end it is your friends final decision.

I do have a question though, instead of being a go between, why not have your friend become a member of YT, so she can ask her questions and we can answer her directly?

Also, and this is probably a moot question, since pups are APRI registered (big red flag), is the pup being sold on a spay/nueter contract (probably not), but another big red flag.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by star28c

my friend spoke with judy and ask can she come see the puppy
pick her up instead of her shipping her and judy, stated yes please aslo
she would love it if karen could keep in contact with her, as judy keep
in contact with all her last buyers, so i dont know? she also seems to really
know alot about the dog, teething, not to put a collar around the neck
because it can damage the dogs vocals, she just seems to know alot
about yorkies, seems very caring, , i mean it to me just doent seem like a broker or a puppy mill she supports i could be off, on this one but when i bought coby i couldnt even come in contact with my breeders, tami and bret, and they had no info at all on coby,
i got all my support from YTs, this ladys willing and said call me anytime
about the puppy, your welcome to visit our home anytime, now she did state that the airport, wont allow you to send clothes, blankets toys,
in with the dog, even if you do they take it from them because of the
airport becoming so strick, for secuirty reasons?

Star you have to know by now that these type of people will say anything and seem nice to sale a puppy. This person IS NOT a reputable breeder and the red flags are there. Your friend is wanting a puppy but doesn't want to listen or do the proper searching for a healthy one. Please tell her to join YT if she has computer access and learn the correct things to look for when searching for a Yorkie. Tell her to have patience and to not think that this is not important. Remember what you went through with Coby. Though he is okay now, she may not be as lucky with a puppy mill Yorkie and end up with a sick or dead puppy. This website you are looking at is for a BROKER, is on the BAD LIST and though she has spoken to someone who says she can come to pick the puppy up, it's all a game!!!

Reputable breeders do what it takes to produce HEALTHY and beautiful Yorkies. Test, contracts, guarantees, and YES they cost more. It is worth it!

You can still bring clothing with a small dog in an airplane. I don't know where that person got that information from or why she told you that. It goes through the scanner just like peoples. If that were the case people wouldn't be able to bring clothing either. They are now just charging for carry-on bags.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Also, it may be a coincidence that the person listed below the "Traylers" in question has the same last name and lives on the same street, but that seems a little too much of a coincidence to me.
When I googled that name here is what I found:

Kennel Footage - Puppies Aren't Products - Best Friends Network

Quite often Missouri puppymills are a family business.

[Mardelin]

Star,

You've been around long enough, a member since 2008, to really become educated. Based on your experience and what you've learned here....now is the time to use that education to educate your friend. Your friend may well be receptive to it, all you can do is try. And if she doesn't listen, well you've tried.