Found a male pup, But he is $2000, Is that Normal?

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by joeyandtanksmom

Ok, I may look like a COMPLETE idiot asking this, but is there a big difference between Canadian and American dollars? (YES...I know that Canada is in America, but you know what I mean...) I personally wouldn't have ever paid $2,000 for a dog, that just would have been too out of price range for me. I got one at a pet store (I didn't know better) for like $1300, and my other one cost $750...

$2,000.00 is not high for a Biewer.. (high for me tho)... Actually the worth of the dollar fluctuates and just recently we were only a few cents difference.. The US dollar is usually worth more then the canadian.

Also, Canada is not part of America, we are a country. But the are on the North American Continent.

[mommadog1]

The BTCA states they were involved in a 2 year study with the geneticists at Mars Veterinary and were able to determine that the Biewer Terrier is now a distinct breed of its own and not a Tri colored Yorkshire Terrier.

The BTCA has changed the Biewer's written standard and also it's original name to the Biewer Terrier. The BTCA, Inc. has the only accepted revised standard signed by Mrs. Biewer. The revised standard allows for undocked tails and black in the coats.

Any other standard being used was not developed with the aide of Mrs. Biewer. It is said that Mrs. Biewer agrees with the Biewer Terrier name and not the Biewer a la Pom Pon. She said the dog is a Terrier and Terrier has to stay in the name. The a la Pom Pon was added for fun and means nothing.

Some breeders disagree with these changes, stating that is not the breed's name. The Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon is also called the Biewer or Biewer Yorkie.

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by Breny

Hi! Here is a little info on the Biewer Greens Treasured Yorkshire Terriers and Biewers - Biewers

There is alot more info out there as well.

welcome to YT!

OMG!!! I really REALLY like the bedroom you decorated for your babies!!! Adorable!! When I move, I am hoping to do that for my babies too!!

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

OMG!!! I really REALLY like the bedroom you decorated for your babies!!! Adorable!! When I move, I am hoping to do that for my babies too!!

Holy cow! I never even looked before.. That is stinking cute, as well as the nursery room. VERY impressive! How big are the 2 rooms??

I cannot wait for my kid (age 21) to move out so I can do something like that for mine. His room is 10x10, not so big, but big enough to do something like that I would think. I have another spare room but it is my office/junk room..lol

We have HUGE "den" but it is the only way out to the back yard and has a sliding glass door so It is not a good place for puppies growing, gets to drafty. I wish we had a doggy door in there but cannot find one to fit the slider, have to special order it. Eventually I will get one, I am hoping in a couple of months I can get one..

Very cute rooms, thanks for pointing out the rooms Jennxling

[SassyAnn101]

Originally Posted by Breny

Hi! Here is a little info on the Biewer Greens Treasured Yorkshire Terriers and Biewers - Biewers

There is alot more info out there as well.

welcome to YT!

I Love Your Bedroom! I have just completed a den down stairs, and now I am wanting make my babies bedroom more their own. What type of flooring do you have? I am looking at a few different options right now. I put tile in the basement with the radiant heat under it, but I am not sure how that would look in the bed room.

[scrapindee]

[QUOTE=mommadog1;3027687]The BTCA states they were involved in a 2 year study with the geneticists at Mars Veterinary and were able to determine that the Biewer Terrier is now a distinct breed of its own and not a Tri colored Yorkshire Terrier.

The BTCA has changed the Biewer's written standard and also it's original name to the Biewer Terrier. The BTCA, Inc. has the only accepted revised standard signed by Mrs. Biewer. The revised standard allows for undocked tails and black in the coats.

QUOTE]

I would recommend anyone interested in a biewer should really do their homework. I suggest also checking out the BBCA's stand on the Biewers Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA

Just because it is on the internet, in print, or on someone's website doesn't make it fact--even if it is posted here on YT. There has been much discussion on the lack of validity of the Mars test. There has been no substantiation that the Mars test is valid. Do a search here on on YT for Mars test and read what has been discussed.

[mommadog1]

[quote=scrapindee;3029082]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

The BTCA states they were involved in a 2 year study with the geneticists at Mars Veterinary and were able to determine that the Biewer Terrier is now a distinct breed of its own and not a Tri colored Yorkshire Terrier.

The BTCA has changed the Biewer's written standard and also it's original name to the Biewer Terrier. The BTCA, Inc. has the only accepted revised standard signed by Mrs. Biewer. The revised standard allows for undocked tails and black in the coats.

QUOTE]

I would recommend anyone interested in a biewer should really do their homework. I suggest also checking out the BBCA's stand on the Biewers Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA

Just because it is on the internet, in print, or on someone's website doesn't make it fact--even if it is posted here on YT. There has been much discussion on the lack of validity of the Mars test. There has been no substantiation that the Mars test is valid. Do a search here on on YT for Mars test and read what has been discussed.

Are you saying what I posted was not true? The Biewer's have to many clubs now so people are very confused. however I think I would believe what Mrs. Biewer has to say over anything. Americans have always had to try and do something to change a breed one way or another that was developed elsewhere and then try to call it their own.

Mr. & Mrs. Biewer named them Biewer Terriers, and people tried to change it.. Then the new one was drawn up and comes from her (the standard and name)... And what I posted is part of the history of the breed. I didn't make it up..

[mommadog1]

Mars Veterinary

Breeds Detected

[livingdustmops]

[quote=mommadog1;3029092]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

Are you saying what I posted was not true? The Biewer's have to many clubs now so people are very confused. however I think I would believe what Mrs. Biewer has to say over anything. Americans have always had to try and do something to change a breed one way or another that was developed elsewhere and then try to call it their own.

Mr. & Mrs. Biewer named them Biewer Terriers, and people tried to change it.. Then the new one was drawn up and comes from her (the standard and name)... And what I posted is part of the history of the breed. I didn't make it up..

I strongly suggest if you are going to post threads on the Biewers you understand their are 3 other clubs that do not agree with with any of this. The club you are talking about does a wonderful job with Marketing but trying to believe the truth is a lot harder.

Mr. Biewer named his dogs Biewer Yorkshire a la' Pom Pon and the name change happened here in the states by one club in about 2006 to Biewer Terriers...the german breeders where the dogs came from still call them Biewer Yorkshire a la' Pom Pon.

Mrs. Biewer signed two different breed standards (1 for Germany and 1 for a couple of woman) and the breeders in Germany do not follow the one she signed here in the states. Why would that be? Some say Mrs. Biewer does not read English and understands some English but did not know what she is signing.

To answer your post...it would appear that it is some American breeders that want to change the truth of the dogs to their advantage. Mrs. Biewer has been used (or her name has been used) to change the history of these wonderful dogs after they hit the shores here in the US in 2003.

When Mr. Biewer died in 1997 she got rid of all the dogs. It was Mr. Biewer who bought the dogs from Streamglen and it was Mr. Biewer in the showring. It was Mr. Biewer who signed the standard. I am sure she supported her husband but to use her as an endorsement does not mean much to many Biewer breeders in Germany or the states.

Here is a website that gives a brief run down of the time line: Welcome To Lowood Farm - Biewers

[mommadog1]

[quote=livingdustmops;3029229]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

I strongly suggest if you are going to post threads on the Biewers you understand their are 3 other clubs that do not agree with with any of this. The club you are talking about does a wonderful job with Marketing but trying to believe the truth is a lot harder.

Mr. Biewer named his dogs Biewer Yorkshire a la' Pom Pon and the name change happened here in the states by one club in about 2006 to Biewer Terriers...the german breeders where the dogs came from still call them Biewer Yorkshire a la' Pom Pon.

Mrs. Biewer signed two different breed standards (1 for Germany and 1 for a couple of woman) and the breeders in Germany do not follow the one she signed here in the states. Why would that be? Some say Mrs. Biewer does not read English and understands some English but did not know what she is signing.

To answer your post...it would appear that it is some American breeders that want to change the truth of the dogs to their advantage. Mrs. Biewer has been used (or her name has been used) to change the history of these wonderful dogs after they hit the shores here in the US in 2003.

When Mr. Biewer died in 1997 she got rid of all the dogs. It was Mr. Biewer who bought the dogs from Streamglen and it was Mr. Biewer in the showring. It was Mr. Biewer who signed the standard. I am sure she supported her husband but to use her as an endorsement does not mean much to many Biewer breeders in Germany or the states.

Here is a website that gives a brief run down of the time line: Welcome To Lowood Farm - Biewers

I am glad you are such an expert! Tell me then, which club is right. They cannot even agree. And I know all about the Biewers, I am tired of being talked to as if I am an idiot....

Since you have it all down I will leave this thread for the experts. I honestly don't really care about the breed..I am more interested in the yorkie and wouldn't mind a parti...Not a Biewer.....

I was just opening my big mouth again, of course, I know absolutely nothing about anything as usual. There are some of you here that always has to be right. I wasn't looking for that, only putting my own opinions in...

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Are you saying what I posted was not true? The Biewer's have to many clubs now so people are very confused. however I think I would believe what Mrs. Biewer has to say over anything. Americans have always had to try and do something to change a breed one way or another that was developed elsewhere and then try to call it their own.
Mr. & Mrs. Biewer named them Biewer Terriers, and people tried to change it.. Then the new one was drawn up and comes from her (the standard and name)... And what I posted is part of the history of the breed. I didn't make it up..

This is a great description of the very club you are quoting. BTCA changed the name to biewer terrier and also the standard.

Btw, Mrs Biewer was neither the breeder nor the exhibitor of the dogs.

There are clubs which strive to maintain the history and heritage of the breed as per the country of origin....which would be Germany. Biewer terriers do not exist anywhere but in the US.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

This is a great description of the very club you are quoting. BTCA changed the name to biewer terrier and also the standard.

Btw, Mrs Biewer was neither the breeder nor the exhibitor of the dogs.

There are clubs which strive to maintain the history and heritage of the breed as per the country of origin....which would be Germany. Biewer terriers do not exist anywhere but in the US.

Which club is people supposed to believe is my point??!! It is confusing, another point to me posting. I am not an expert nor have I claimed to be.. Only asking..

But seriously, which one is correct? I would think it would be the German standard is what is correct..whatever that might be...

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Which club is people supposed to believe is my point??!! It is confusing, another point to me posting. I am not an expert nor have I claimed to be.. Only asking..

But seriously, which one is correct? I would think it would be the German standard is what is correct..whatever that might be...

Here's an excellent reference which may answer some of your questions.

Biewer Breed Club Boutique

Not sure why that link states club boutique....the page is actually FAQ.

[livingdustmops]

[quote=mommadog1;3029284]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I am glad you are such an expert! Tell me then, which club is right. They cannot even agree. And I know all about the Biewers, I am tired of being talked to as if I am an idiot....

Since you have it all down I will leave this thread for the experts. I honestly don't really care about the breed..I am more interested in the yorkie and wouldn't mind a parti...Not a Biewer.....

I was just opening my big mouth again, of course, I know absolutely nothing about anything as usual. There are some of you here that always has to be right. I wasn't looking for that, only putting my own opinions in...

Certainly don't see where I talked to you as an idiot..I was pointing out there are other clubs that do not agree with the one club...there are too many lies on the internet about the history of the Biewers Yorkshires.

I along with other members have been involved with these dogs a long time and to see people come on and only point to one group (most of the members have been banned on YT because of how rude they speak to people) then you can understand the frustration some of us feel.

I believe opinions are fine but the way you posted made it fact and your facts were wrong.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Which club is people supposed to believe is my point??!! It is confusing, another point to me posting. I am not an expert nor have I claimed to be.. Only asking..

But seriously, which one is correct? I would think it would be the German standard is what is correct..whatever that might be...

Two other clubs agree on just about everything except in the method of breeding. One club believes only breeding Biewer to Biewer and the other club follows what Germany is doing and breeding back to Yorkies after so many generations.

Both of the two clubs have been very involved in showing dogs for over 5 years and have won many top positions...both of these clubs believe the dog should have a 3 color head as Mr. Biewer wanted per his standard.

Both of these clubs may have their differences but they get along fine and attend each others specialty shows and congratulate each other in the showring.

Here is the other club and I know both clubs would welcome any questions someone might have...

BAPPC