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Old 02-05-2010, 08:08 PM   #1
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I recently purchased a CKC yorkie. The seller said she hasn't registered any of the pups just yet but would do so and sent me the paper work. She seemed like a very respectful breeder and a friend of mine has purchased from her before. Does it seem ok to wait for this info or no?
Pixie was born in NOv of 09 and will be 3mo old V-day. She is currently 1lb 6oz. Super cute!! But she looks like a chihuahua!! According to her breed line she is purebreed and her parents have the normal yorkie look. The litter was 4 pups the other 3 had the regual yorkie pup look but Pixie just seems to not be growing a longer/thick coat of hair. I did get her a little cheaper because she started to get kennel cough which is being treated and getting way better. When I compared pics of her to yorkies and chihuahuas I see that her ears are more of the yorkie look but her itty bitty body has me confused. I just know she had to be the runt! I think shes super cute and was just hoping her hair would grow later and be less maintance than a regular long haired yorkie. To me she is just as cute as the ones who get a monthly cut.

I do have a few questions though. ..

According to the vet its a genetic fault with her hair growth. If in the way distance future she were to breed with a regular haired yorkie- what are the chances of them making long haired yorkies? Would they be saleable or would it all depend on who the buyer is. I wouldn't want to sell them as yorkies, but they're not mixed just "different." Again I'm not looking to breed her I am just saying for a what if factor. I mean I love the fact she is different but others might find her as just rat like ugly.

Does anyone have a older yorkie that has never grew hair or has the natural shorter coat? I would love to see what she will possibly look like as she gets older.

Again I think shez amazing and I love "different!" Shes tiny, spunky, lovable, and all around the best outcast ever!
I would just love some info. I'm confused on reg legged, wired hair, everything. Here are a few pix of Lid'l Miss Pixie.

(P.S. Yes she wears a collar, no I do not put her on a lead just yet, and yes I have a small harnes for her when I do decide to use the lead. just wanted to throw that out there for ya.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:07 PM   #2
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well i am guessing you are comparing yorkies to chihuahua....when you mention short hair and long haired...yorkie are suppose to be just yorkie....which do tend to have different type of hair coats like silky, modified and cottony...but not short haired or long haired....

also she should have registered the liter from the beginning and it normally only takes 1-2 weeks to get the liter registration in the mail so that the breeder can give out to the buyer...i would be worried that maybe she is not be 100% honest.
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She doesn't look like a pure breed to me. She looks like a mix of chihuahua and yorkie. Did you see the mother and the father or her siblings?
This is not 100% yorkie. Sorry to say...maybe that's the reason why she hasn't registered them.
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I hate to break it to you, but I think your pup may be mixed with chi. By 11-12 weeks they should have very fluffy hair. Even my Uni who does not have a lot of thick hair, at 12 weeks when I got her, her hair was like an afro around her head. Also her roots were changing color already too to silvery.

Also CKC doesn't mean anything. (Unless it's the Canadian one I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong). Same with ACA, APRI. If it's not AKC those papers aren't worth anything. It's just a made up registry to make people think a doggie has papers, but in fact they are worthless. Before I knew any better, I sent in Uni's ACA papers, and yes, the breeder did not have the "papers" ready when I got her. I was lucky she sent me anything. Although Uni turned out good, despite her grade3 LP, b/c my breeder was a small byb.

I'm thinking most likely this breeder mixed up pups from different litter and said they were littermates. Also most yorkies at this age their ears are still down, esp for the size of the ears. Uni's ears are HUGE for a yorkie and they took a while to stand up.

I know this won't make you love your pup any less, but perhaps there is a chance this breeder did not tell you the truth. If you got a mix, but paid for a purebred, then you were scammed. there are reasonably priced dna kits available now if you REALLY want to know. In any case, she is really adorable.
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Hi welcome to YT. your baby is adorable.
My Little Mickey had the biggest ears at 8 weeks old he was all ears LOl. they stood up great thou even at 8 weeks of age. he finally grew into his ears and now they look so small.
Just looking at the pictures of your baby it does look like its a Yorkie/ Chi mix. I may be wrong.... but I do know not all Yorkies have the long coat. some are shorter, some longer, some silky some cotton coats. some darker some lighter so you cant go by that.
congrats on your new Puppy shes adorable.
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Your pup is really cute. She does look like a Yorkie/Chihuahua mix for me too.
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Your little dog is gorgeous. If your little one doesn't grow her coat long think yourself lucky, it costs me a fortune when the groomer comes 3/4 times a year. lol.

On the question of Yorkie/chihuahua mixes, we had one years ago. We knew he was a mix, he was mostly Yorkie but had a completely black coat with a touch of white under his chin. He was also very very tiny.

The only way to tell for sure would be a DNA test.

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CKC is the Canadian registry...but the OP is not in Canada? CKC registered means the same as AKC, that that the dog is purely of one recognized breed.

I see chi in her too, is she ever a cutie pie though!!
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Hi and welcome to Yorkietalk, Pixie is adorable, and that's a perfect name for her. There are two registries with the initials CKC, the Canadian kennel club and the continental kennel club. The Canadian club is a legitimate club, much like the AKC, but the continental kennel club is considered a paper registry, and will register anything including mixed breeds. Your dog does look like, perhaps, she's part Chihuahua, and many of our members have Chorkies. I do not suggest breeding them though. Even if your dog is full blooded, only those dogs that are the best examples of the breed should be breed, we have so many dogs in rescues right now, any breeding that's done should be very carefully planned. Your little girl also sounds like she'll be too small for breeding, most breeders don't like to breed a dog under 5 pounds, and it sounds like her full grown weight will be less than that. Many of us initially thought about breeding when we got our dogs, but as we learned more about the consequences and dangers, we decided to keep our dogs only as pets.
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Hi & Welcome to YT! Pixie is adorable! I do agree she does look as though she has chihuahua mix. I am sure you love her no matter what!
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First off Thanks so much for the wonderful comments and information.

Nancy so far you have been the best at answering my questions. I know some of the things I'm about to post are repeatign what you said but I already had this typed up from earlier so I'm just going to paste it here.

I'm not really questioning her being purebreed or not. I am going to look into the DNA thing because they just sounds wonderful to get a solid answer. I can't call anyone a liar or stand my own ground without it at this point really. From ever piece of info I have read on they state she can be a Purebreed yorkie, she's just a "cirus freak" type is the harsh way to say it. She has a genetic birth trait that has shown up after a few litters. Pretty much like out of 5 sisters they have brown eyes, brown hair and you have blue eyes, blonde hair. Which in that case isn't bad but you see what I'm saying. It's not really a birth defect just a triait that has snuck up on her. The only thing I have found to super support my case on her being a yorkie is the genetic trait the vet and I talked about and this statement "A mouse look or a Chihuahua look on a Yorkie is a bad thing." It was taken from this passage about why some yorkies cost more than others....

"1) A-Pups are priced by the breed they are, by the estimated adult size they may become, being male or female, and how many short features they have. Yorkies having short ears, legs, snout, and or body makes that pups cost higher. Yorkies having short or poor hair length, long snouts, big ears, or being heavy as a pup, makes a pup cost less, bigger is cheaper. A mouse look or a Chihuahua look on a Yorkie is a bad thing. Baby Doll features add to the cost. 2 lbs grown and under will always be the most expensive puppy."

I've only read about a handful of people who even have dogs come out like this. I agree she doesn't look yorkie and I'm sure most yorkie breeders find her to be an abomination which shouldn't be classified as yorkie. Even if the parents were AKC, the AKC would chew this dog up and spit her out. I'm not fighting over rights on any of that or downgrading her for being CKC.

Which also brings up that CkC is for Continental Kennel Club not like AKC for American Kennel Club. Not CKC for Canada, even though I know that is a branch. In AKC they have to be 99% perfect and they have to be AKC for show approval. AKC has ver strict guidelines. CKC is a lot easier and cheaper on the breedered to do and less hassle on them. You can convert a dog frm AKC to CKA *stupid move if you do convert like that* but you can. But you can never go from CKC to AKC. If your dog is CKC and mates with AKC the pups have to be CKC , AKC will not reconize this. CKC only has one downfall in my eyes... You can take 3pics of your dog at front, and both sides, and send in the pics and 2 signatures and guess what your mixed dog can now be ckc reg. LoL I can always take pix of Pixie and get her AKC as a chi lol JK JK JK but in all seriousness that's the big downfall with CKC to me.

I'm shady on the fact I do have to wait for the papers and I wouldn't have requested them if she did look more yorkie like. However the breeder doesn't register them because she was loosing money because she realized no one ever really asked for paperwork. (This is southen WV/VA area a lot of us backwoods folks don't care about that stuff or even understand it.)

My main point is I just want to know what she will look like in the future but as it seems I'm just going to have to wait it out. I am waiting on the paper work and I am going to go look up DNA testing and call the vet on monday to see what they charge for it.

If I was scammed, then I'm cool with it. I feel like a jackass but at the same time my family and I have fallen in love with her. She fits in perfect with all of us so in that sense I'm cool with it all. I just want answers and I'm going to have to keep searching. Thanks for everything
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First off Thanks so much for the wonderful comments and information.

Nancy so far you have been the best at answering my questions. I know some of the things I'm about to post are repeatign what you said but I already had this typed up from earlier so I'm just going to paste it here.

I'm not really questioning her being purebreed or not. I am going to look into the DNA thing because they just sounds wonderful to get a solid answer. I can't call anyone a liar or stand my own ground without it at this point really. From ever piece of info I have read on they state she can be a Purebreed yorkie, she's just a "cirus freak" type is the harsh way to say it. She has a genetic birth trait that has shown up after a few litters. Pretty much like out of 5 sisters they have brown eyes, brown hair and you have blue eyes, blonde hair. Which in that case isn't bad but you see what I'm saying. It's not really a birth defect just a triait that has snuck up on her. The only thing I have found to super support my case on her being a yorkie is the genetic trait the vet and I talked about and this statement "A mouse look or a Chihuahua look on a Yorkie is a bad thing." It was taken from this passage about why some yorkies cost more than others....

"1) A-Pups are priced by the breed they are, by the estimated adult size they may become, being male or female, and how many short features they have. Yorkies having short ears, legs, snout, and or body makes that pups cost higher. Yorkies having short or poor hair length, long snouts, big ears, or being heavy as a pup, makes a pup cost less, bigger is cheaper. A mouse look or a Chihuahua look on a Yorkie is a bad thing. Baby Doll features add to the cost. 2 lbs grown and under will always be the most expensive puppy."

I've only read about a handful of people who even have dogs come out like this. I agree she doesn't look yorkie and I'm sure most yorkie breeders find her to be an abomination which shouldn't be classified as yorkie. Even if the parents were AKC, the AKC would chew this dog up and spit her out. I'm not fighting over rights on any of that or downgrading her for being CKC.

Which also brings up that CkC is for Continental Kennel Club not like AKC for American Kennel Club. Not CKC for Canada, even though I know that is a branch. In AKC they have to be 99% perfect and they have to be AKC for show approval. AKC has ver strict guidelines. CKC is a lot easier and cheaper on the breedered to do and less hassle on them. You can convert a dog frm AKC to CKA *stupid move if you do convert like that* but you can. But you can never go from CKC to AKC. If your dog is CKC and mates with AKC the pups have to be CKC , AKC will not reconize this. CKC only has one downfall in my eyes... You can take 3pics of your dog at front, and both sides, and send in the pics and 2 signatures and guess what your mixed dog can now be ckc reg. LoL I can always take pix of Pixie and get her AKC as a chi lol JK JK JK but in all seriousness that's the big downfall with CKC to me.

I'm shady on the fact I do have to wait for the papers and I wouldn't have requested them if she did look more yorkie like. However the breeder doesn't register them because she was loosing money because she realized no one ever really asked for paperwork. (This is southen WV/VA area a lot of us backwoods folks don't care about that stuff or even understand it.)

My main point is I just want to know what she will look like in the future but as it seems I'm just going to have to wait it out. I am waiting on the paper work and I am going to go look up DNA testing and call the vet on monday to see what they charge for it.

If I was scammed, then I'm cool with it. I feel like a jackass but at the same time my family and I have fallen in love with her. She fits in perfect with all of us so in that sense I'm cool with it all. I just want answers and I'm going to have to keep searching. Thanks for everything

I'm pretty sure the breeder has been lying to you, I'm not sure she was ever even registered with the CKC because she could have gotten the papers for free, once they are registered, what she may be doing is waiting for people to complain, and then registering a dog, she can do it at any point and for that matter so can you, but that's why the name means nothing. AKC breeders can also mislead you, that's why it's important to see for yourself the mother and father of the breeding pair. The pups will resemble the mother and father, and that's why it good that both sides of the family are good examples.

You sound like you are getting a good education, and this happens to many who come here. I was lucky to find Yorkietalk before I found a breeder, but most of our members find their dog first. DNA testing I think is expensive, around $100.00, how much did you pay for your dog? I hate breeders like this, she knows you are probably in love with your dog, and would never give it back, but she shouldn't be charging the same as other breeders.
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I did see the so called parents and the dad is a lot smaller than the mom and they are fluffy as can be. I also saw one of the other pups which they did look a like just mine has no growing hair. LoL

She was selling for 600. But told me I could have her for 550, she is also sending me a check for 20 more to help cover SOME of the vet charges for the kennel cough treatment and meds they gave me the other day. The visit, med drops, med tablets, and a med shot (no vaccinations that day because they were all up to date, atleast until next week plsu she was sick). The vet bill was a little over 100 with everything. So roughly I have paid 630ish for a sick, runt, odd dog. Then on top of that DNA testing ASAP!
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I did see the so called parents and the dad is a lot smaller than the mom and they are fluffy as can be. I also saw one of the other pups which they did look a like just mine has no growing hair. LoL

She was selling for 600. But told me I could have her for 550, she is also sending me a check for 20 more to help cover SOME of the vet charges for the kennel cough treatment and meds they gave me the other day. The visit, med drops, med tablets, and a med shot (no vaccinations that day because they were all up to date, atleast until next week plsu she was sick). The vet bill was a little over 100 with everything. So roughly I have paid 630ish for a sick, runt, odd dog. Then on top of that DNA testing ASAP!
It's possible that she doesn't know who the father is, lol, maybe you need to go on the Maury Povitch show! Really some breeders are so careless, they have no idea who impregnated the female, but just say what they think will sell. I encourage people to go to the best breeders they can find, I would prefer to pay more up front than lots for vet expenses over the years. Years ago, my purebred had an untreatable genetic disease, today they might be able to treat it, but it would cost a fortune. The last year of my cats life, cost over $2000.00 so I didn't think this was an unreasonable amount to spend for a healthy dog that was a good example of the breed. You can get great dogs for less, but sometimes if it's too cheap, it ends up costing a fortune! Why do you want to do the DNA testing?

Gosh there was a thread several months back that was so similar to this, I can't find it, but she wondered if her dog was a full blooded yorkie, and she had DNA testing done. If I find the thread I'll link it to you, she had some good information on what she did, but like you, she loved her baby!
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Welcome to yt! I am not trying to be rude or burst your bubble. I have a yorkie and a chocolate chihuahua and your pup looks like a chorkie(miix) ,the face looks just like a chi. I think its unfair that you were taken for a ride. Stilll,Pixie is adorable and will bring you many years of happiness.
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