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MI Yorkielover · 12-20-2009, 07:03 AM

I like Victoria

and Ceasar

both for different reasons. I also agree that you cannot lable a breed just because of what some people have done to them. I have known many pitbulls..all of them loving and non aggressive.

livingdustmops · 12-20-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by westieboy

Did you ever consider he's right and they're wrong?

Those of us that can't do, teach.

Actually NO. I would much rather learn from people that have been studying dogs their entire life and have PHD's in these areas. The top vet schools do not endorse him either....this is a man who has made a BIG living off of instant gratification on a tv set. While I am not opposed to everything he has done I find most people who love him have not studied any of the other positive trainers, nor have they had books by other trainers, nor have they had a problem dog, nor have they gone to positive trainers...most of it is sitting in front of a tv set.

107barney · 12-20-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Actually NO. I would much rather learn from people that have been studying dogs their entire life and have PHD's in these areas. The top vet schools do not endorse him either....this is a man who has made a BIG living off of instant gratification on a tv set. While I am not opposed to everything he has done I find most people who love him have not studied any of the other positive trainers, nor have they had books by other trainers, nor have they had a problem dog, nor have they gone to positive trainers...most of it is sitting in front of a tv set.

107barney · 12-20-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by westieboy

Did you ever consider he's right and they're wrong?

Those of us that can't do, teach.

Just to clarify - lots of positive behavior dog trainers also disagree with his methods so it is not just teachers. BTW I'm sure alot of teachers would disagree with your characterization of them.

chachi · 12-20-2009, 07:25 AM

Where did you hear he has a yorkie because Ive never heard that

107barney · 12-20-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rachael1983

I don't think you should condemn pitbulls. Yes they have awful reputations. As a former owner of a pitbull I can tell you that if properly trained they are loyal and love their whole pack. My brother owns a pitbull and she loves my yorkie. I was initially afraid but she treated him like he was hers was gentle and knew not to be agressive. I have a 7 year old and worry more about Troy biting her than my brothers pitbull. Just bc Troy is not tolerant of excitement whereas my brothers pitbull is all for the play and is motherly with her too.

I dont condemn pitbulls or any other large breed. I think it is downright dumb to put yorkies in households with large dogs with huge jaws. Sorry, but that is my opinion and I stand by it. And, I just dont like Cesar and his methods, or his self righteousness or his show. Enough said!

westieboy · 12-20-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 107barney

Just to clarify - lots of positive behavior dog trainers also disagree with his methods so it is not just teachers. BTW I'm sure alot of teachers would disagree with your characterization of them.

How many of these teachers work with dogs as aggressive as he does? Many would just say put them down.

I'm a R+ trainer and I what Cesar does is mostly just a modified version of NILIF. His connection or innate understanding of dogs can't really be quantified so it's hard for most people with PHDs to figure it out.

FWIW my Ivy league educated Vet loves Cesar.

107barney · 12-20-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Where did you hear he has a yorkie because Ive never heard that

I heard it only on this board. Maybe he does not have a yorkie! That would take away one of the thumbs down I gave him if it is a myth...

westieboy · 12-20-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 107barney

I dont condemn pitbulls or any other large breed. I think it is downright dumb to put yorkies in households with large dogs with huge jaws. Sorry, but that is my opinion and I stand by it. And, I just dont like Cesar and his methods, or his self righteousness or his show. Enough said!

Why do all pitbulls naturally want to kill yorkies? Maybe most are not trained correctly.

chachi · 12-20-2009, 07:33 AM

I like Cesar. Some of his methods can be controversial but he deals with difficult dogs sometimes. I like Victoria also but I feel you can learn from both of them

Ringo1 · 12-20-2009, 07:40 AM

I like Cesar and Victoria both.

livingdustmops · 12-20-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by westieboy

How many of these teachers work with dogs as aggressive as he does? Many would just say put them down.

I'm a R+ trainer and I what Cesar does is mostly just a modified version of NILIF. His connection or innate understanding of dogs can't really be quantified so it's hard for most people with PHDs to figure it out.

FWIW my Ivy league educated Vet loves Cesar.

Vets are not trained in behavior issues but they are trained in medical issues. I would go to a vet for medical reasons and I would go to a Board Certified Behaviorists for severe issues with a dog. Many of these PHD's are very involved with dogs just not on TV.

I had many Yorkies come through rescue that had issues...Cesars methods would have sent them over the bend and I would have been bitten many times. I have watched his shows and he fixes dogs in 30 minutes? I don't believe so. Working with animals that have been abused or have serious issues is never a quick fix.

I think one of the biggest things that turned me off was in his first book and it was towards they end where it talked about excercising his dogs - all his pittbulls and I finally figured out he was running his dogs about 6 hours a day....I believe excercise is good but not in that amount for a yorkie and I am not even sure for a pittbull.

I find most people who like him have never had a problem dog nor understand what some of his methods could do to a dog that has issues.

Lee B · 12-20-2009, 08:20 AM

I had conniption fits when my daughter wanted to move back home - with her pitty. But Nitro's nearly 14 years old; he was bred back when Pits were still pets, not bred to be killers. She got him when she still had to bottle feed him; he's the sweetest, most temperate dog you could ever hope to meet. When I got the pups, he just loved on them. He snuggled with them, licked them, let them hang off his cheeks with their sharp little puppy teeth.

I may have doubts with younger pitties, but Old Bones is a good dog, and he will be greatly missed when he crosses the Bridge.

westieboy · 12-20-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

The top vet schools do not endorse him either.....

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Vets are not trained in behavior issues but they are trained in medical issues.

Agree that Vets are not qualified trainers , just addressing your point since you brought it up.

westieboy · 12-20-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I had many Yorkies come through rescue that had issues...Cesars methods would have sent them over the bend and I would have been bitten many times. I have watched his shows and he fixes dogs in 30 minutes? I don't believe so. Working with animals that have been abused or have serious issues is never a quick fix.

I think one of the biggest things that turned me off was in his first book and it was towards they end where it talked about excercising his dogs - all his pittbulls and I finally figured out he was running his dogs about 6 hours a day....I believe excercise is good but not in that amount for a yorkie and I am not even sure for a pittbull.

I find most people who like him have never had a problem dog nor understand what some of his methods could do to a dog that has issues.

Do you even watch the show? The quick fixes are the easy dogs. When it's a big problem dog he always gives instruction for a long term plan of controlling the situation. He also has follow up visits to some of the tougher cases.

If you think he would run a yorkie for 6 hours then you don't get his methods. He wouldn't treat a yorkie the same way he would treat a pitbull.

Most people are not qualified to uses his methods. The show clearly states this in the beginning of each episode.

12-20-2009, 07:03 AM	#16
MI Yorkielover Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 3,317	I like Victoria and Ceasar both for different reasons. I also agree that you cannot lable a breed just because of what some people have done to them. I have known many pitbulls..all of them loving and non aggressive. __________________ Jackie Loves Sophie R.I.P ."Baby"* our little girl 1993-2009*

12-20-2009, 07:25 AM	#20
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Where did you hear he has a yorkie because Ive never heard that __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

12-20-2009, 07:33 AM	#25
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I like Cesar. Some of his methods can be controversial but he deals with difficult dogs sometimes. I like Victoria also but I feel you can learn from both of them __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

12-20-2009, 07:40 AM	#26
Ringo1 Ringo (1) and Lucy too! Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the Edge of Glory Posts: 3,447	I like Cesar and Victoria both.

12-20-2009, 08:20 AM	#28
Lee B YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Land O' Lakes, FL Posts: 735	I had conniption fits when my daughter wanted to move back home - with her pitty. But Nitro's nearly 14 years old; he was bred back when Pits were still pets, not bred to be killers. She got him when she still had to bottle feed him; he's the sweetest, most temperate dog you could ever hope to meet. When I got the pups, he just loved on them. He snuggled with them, licked them, let them hang off his cheeks with their sharp little puppy teeth. I may have doubts with younger pitties, but Old Bones is a good dog, and he will be greatly missed when he crosses the Bridge.