I'm so heartbroken,,

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by krysvo

He was given a health certificate from a licensed veterinarian here and never had a problem under our care. We can't look into the future and see what may happen! Can you look in the future and tell me you won't have a sickness or problem next month? If we would have known the puppy had a problem, he would not have been sent! We took your word that something was wrong and more than honored the contract you agreed to on our website by sending you another puppy. It may be hard for you to understand or do but, in the animal world when there is a severe problem, it may be best to put them to sleep and move on with your other puppy. If he's having all these problems as you say, what kind of life does he have?
Our contract states a one time replacement puppy which has been done so, all requirements has been met.
We have already listened to your complaints and have replaced your puppy, which according to our contract we did not have to do since your puppy is still living. It was your decision to continue to treat the puppy and, if he is having seizures, leg problems and whatever else, then you are being cruel by prolonging his life. There is absolutely no reason at all for you to still be e mailing us about this situation so, in short, do not call or e mail us about this as we have already more than honored our contract.

What a disgusting attitude and business they have!

I am so sorry for your Cody being a sick puppy. This place is a puppymill and should be shut down.

I wish you well in your future with Cody.

[Cha Cha]

I would be careful about slamming them too much. As they stated they sent you a replacement puppy which does mean they followed through with what their contract says. Does that make it right? Absolutely not!!!! But, they did honor their contract however bad that may be. They could turn this around and pursue legal action against you. I am not saying you should not tell your story either. Just warning you to be careful.

Also I seen on that site they are in Missouri, and the puppy on the very first page of their site, doesn't even have a normal looking left eye. I am so sorry for your heartache. So very sorry.

[keylargolady100]

I am so sorry about your Cody, and I hope things will get better. I was just wondering though, could some of his problems be related to when your Grandpa stepped on him last year? He acted very hurt, and it was several days before he went to the vet? Just wondering

[krysvo]

is there any advice for trying to shut down a puppy mill and how would they turn it against me?

Also regarding my grandpa, I talked to him afterwards and the veterinarian, my grandpa didn't put his full force on cody, he didn't actually step on cody but cody was behind his foot and my grandpa took a step back but as soon as he felt something he moved forward. When I told the vetinarian, she told me that he could have froze in state of shock but when he frequently spun around, that was due to his neurological problems.

There were other things that was just wrong with him since birth. You can see cody's eyes pointing outwards and I didn't know at the time if it was normal or abnormal. The breeder told me it was a "defense mechanism to see their sides better." Then the two lp on his back leg and there's three opening on the top of cody's head that never closed.

I'm currently saving up for Cody's lp surgeries but just the whole neurological thing is getting me overwhelmed.

[Cha Cha]

Originally Posted by krysvo

is there any advice for trying to shut down a puppy mill and how would they turn it against me?

Also regarding my grandpa, I talked to him afterwards and the veterinarian, my grandpa didn't put his full force on cody, he didn't actually step on cody but cody was behind his foot and my grandpa took a step back but as soon as he felt something he moved forward. When I told the vetinarian, she told me that he could have froze in state of shock but when he frequently spun around, that was due to his neurological problems.

There were other things that was just wrong with him since birth. You can see cody's eyes pointing outwards and I didn't know at the time if it was normal or abnormal. The breeder told me it was a "defense mechanism to see their sides better." Then the two lp on his back leg and there's three opening on the top of cody's head that never closed.

I'm currently saving up for Cody's lp surgeries but just the whole neurological thing is getting me overwhelmed.

By what I have read, you signed a contract that states they would replace your puppy if there were any defects. You obviously have defects, and they replaced your puppy. I hate puppy mills too, and I am terribly sorry for your heartache, but even in the best circumstances, things happen with healthy puppies. Yes, their site screams puppy mill and we here all hope people stay away from them, but they honored their contract by replacing your puppy. Now, you are on the internet telling people not to do business with them, and that they are basically bad people when they did indeed honor their contract. So, I am just warning you to be careful. It is one thing to advocate against all puppy mills in general, but you have singled them out and listed their site, and warning people to stay away from them even after they honored their contract. That can be bad for you.

[krysvo]

oh okay, i guess i will stop. There's really not much of a fight then

[Cha Cha]

Originally Posted by krysvo

oh okay, i guess i will stop. There's really not much of a fight then

Hugs to you! I really do believe good things come from bad situations. Many many many of us have learned the hard way about puppy mills. The good thing, is that we gave a precious little ball of fur a fighting chance out of a terrible situation. Many times, that chance was much shorter than we had hoped. AND, we've learned why mills are so bad and in that we try to spread the word against them ALL. Don't stop telling your story about little Cody to as many people that will listen. That is a good thing.

[krysvo]

Thank you i keep telling myself that even with cody's condition, i'm glad I have him because I know I'll do everything I can to take care of him. Rather then if he was in someone elses hands, who knows how they would handle the situation. The last thing I would want is to put cody to sleep.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Cha Cha

By what I have read, you signed a contract that states they would replace your puppy if there were any defects. You obviously have defects, and they replaced your puppy. I hate puppy mills too, and I am terribly sorry for your heartache, but even in the best circumstances, things happen with healthy puppies. Yes, their site screams puppy mill and we here all hope people stay away from them, but they honored their contract by replacing your puppy. Now, you are on the internet telling people not to do business with them, and that they are basically bad people when they did indeed honor their contract. So, I am just warning you to be careful. It is one thing to advocate against all puppy mills in general, but you have singled them out and listed their site, and warning people to stay away from them even after they honored their contract. That can be bad for you.

I would like to mention that each state has it's own laws and even though they honored their contract and replaced the puppy, she is still in her right to complain and take action against them. Especially since they replaced the puppy with ANOTHER sick puppy. This should be brought to the attention of local legal authorities, animal rights activist, and to the public. This place needs to be shut down! The puppies on their website look awful and unhealthy. She has nothing to fear if she takes the proper legal steps to bringing them down. They on the other hand will start shaking in their boots, once they are properly exposed.

[krysvo]

sorry the second puppy is healthy

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by krysvo

sorry the second puppy is healthy

Oh okay I misunderstood that. How old is the second puppy? I would still take action and bring this place to the attention of the public. I bet there are many other sick puppy owner/clients from them.

[krysvo]

The second one is 6 months, i have read a complaint on bbb and 2 complaints on ripoff report, i'm sure there are more complaints though

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by krysvo

The second one is 6 months, i have read a complaint on bbb and 2 complaints on ripoff report, i'm sure there are more complaints though

Then I say if you have the time and patience...go for it!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by krysvo

is there any advice for trying to shut down a puppy mill and how would they turn it against me?

Also regarding my grandpa, I talked to him afterwards and the veterinarian, my grandpa didn't put his full force on cody, he didn't actually step on cody but cody was behind his foot and my grandpa took a step back but as soon as he felt something he moved forward. When I told the vetinarian, she told me that he could have froze in state of shock but when he frequently spun around, that was due to his neurological problems.

There were other things that was just wrong with him since birth. You can see cody's eyes pointing outwards and I didn't know at the time if it was normal or abnormal. The breeder told me it was a "defense mechanism to see their sides better." Then the two lp on his back leg and there's three opening on the top of cody's head that never closed.

I'm currently saving up for Cody's lp surgeries but just the whole neurological thing is getting me overwhelmed.

Did the vet tell you what grade LP he has? Maybe puppies never need surgery even with the higher grades of LP. As for the spinning, sure sounds to me like a sign of a neurological issue.

There must be some type of support group for people who have pups with Hydrocephalus. My other thought on this is if the LP is not causing a huge problem you might be better saving your money to go toward his other much larger issues. Does he have seizures?

With all of the problems that he is facing what are your vets thoughts on his quality of life and life expectancy?

I'm not sure what the current legislation in Missouri is but maybe if you contacted the state representative with your story it might get some attention.

As cruel as it was that this horrible place told you just to have him PTS it is a decisions that you just might be faced with in the future. I know might sounds really cold but some times it is the most loving and unselfish thing to do IF it comes to quality of life. Unfortunately, for some pups even rescue is not the answer. Rescues can give the same love and caring that you are giving but when it is neurological many times that is all that can be done when it comes to issues like Cody has.

[yorkielover916]

Hi I am sorry about your puppies being sick, but I found this on the ASPCA and its really sad as you probably wouldn't have a case b/c of this:

5. Internet Buyers, Beware!
Buying a puppy from the Internet is as risky as buying from a pet store. If you buy a puppy based on a picture and a phone call, you have no way of seeing the puppy’s breeding premises or meeting his parents. And those who sell animals on the Internet are not held to the Animal Welfare Act regulations, and so are not inspected by the USDA.