Stress piddler

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

How did you find her (the breeder)? What proof do you have this little girl only had 1 litter? Where do you think the dogs slept at night? How did the other dogs act when you came to the house? What did the lady do to quiet them down? Does this breeder have a website? Was she breeding other breeds?

I replied to a classified add. I went to her home. She and her husband were in the back yard washing dogs. The dogs (maybe 6 or 7) barked of course. They were not unruly and we ignored them. She had one female she pointed out to me that was soon to deliver. She had one 15wk female puppy for sale and Birdie. She told me that she was moving into the city to be closer to her son who had recently moved out and I guess she had empty nest syndrome. The woman lived in a mobile home near a lake. She had kennels under the mobile home and fans under there. She told me that she alternated the dogs, taking some into the house and putting others out. She kept the mothers and pups in the house. Birdie was housebroken so I suppose she was getting some attention.
All the dogs looked clean. She had complete vet records, recently dated wormer sticker on Birdies record. She told me about homeopathic supplements she used with her dogs. She told me she had bred Birdie once, there were no complications. How does one prove that a bitch has only been bred once? How would I know if that was a lie or not? Her tits are not distended, but it is obvious that she has nursed in the past. She said that Birdie had recently been in heat. She was obviously not bred at that time. She has not come into heat again and I have owned her about 3 months. The woman didn't appear to hide anything from me. She allowed me to see her breeding stock and where they live. She sold me a dog, she didn't auction it or abandon it, or have it euthanized. I don't know if she had a website or not. The only breed I saw were standard size Yorkies. So forgive me if I take issue with you characterizing her as unscrupulous. I didn't see any evidence to support that remark.

The living conditions of those poor pups that you just described is appalling. I cannot believe that you would even IMPLY that this person is scrupulous. If she keeps them under a mobile home and bathes them outside, I am suggesting that she sounds very UNscrupulous. She alternates them......suuuuure she does. Just the fact there is not enough room inside as she is suggesting tells me all I need to know about her little operation.
I hope she HAS gone out of business.
I am going back now to my original thoughts about all of this.
I won't repeat them...they were perfectly clear.
All of this thread is disgusting right down to you wanting to breed poor Petey.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

I would love to keep Birdie. If she could stop some of the submissive behaviors she would fit in here a lot better. She loves me. But she is so frantic in her approach. She is quite different than Petey and any dog I have raised. She has some bad habits. I do try to work with her. She is a poo eater. She found where the outside cats go. I took her to the vet because she kept throwing up. I finally figured it out. But I don't know what to do about it. We live in the country and I am not up to training ferral cats. I had to quit letting her sleep with me because she was throwing up poo on my bed when I was asleep.

I haven't read past here, so I don't know if anyone addressed this but as you do mention those are all submissive behaviors.

She's seeking your approval, constantly telling you she submits to you. She frantic for it (most likely because she did not get that attention previously.) She most likely eats her poo as a way to conceal herself (and her scent.)

All of the behavior mentioned correlates to being an accepted member of your pack. There is no easy fix for that. I am by no means going to sit here and tell you to re-home her! But, you may want to consider if its worth the stress for both of you considering your situation and stress level at the moment.

I personally don't doubt that she'd come around, but it'll take time and patience, work and realistically the cooperation of your entire household.

[hugz4all4]

I dont even no what to say. ... Im so upset for the little girl, where she use to live, the dogs that she use to live with and now only being held onto for breeding. My heart is just breaking.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

I dont even no what to say. ... Im so upset for the little girl, where she use to live, the dogs that she use to live with and now only being held onto for breeding. My heart is just breaking.

Probably best for most of us to stop reading this thread since the OP clearly has no problem with the way this pup was living prior to her getting her; so, how in the world would we expect her to see what she is doing as unfair to the poor pup.

I still think there is more to this than meets the eye. If she only wanted information about submissive urination, why add the dirty embellishments?

I see things like this every day....it is heartbreaking but until pups are given more rights, there really is not much anyone can do. We cannot save them all as much as we would like to.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

How did you find her (the breeder)? What proof do you have this little girl only had 1 litter? Where do you think the dogs slept at night? How did the other dogs act when you came to the house? What did the lady do to quiet them down? Does this breeder have a website? Was she breeding other breeds?

I replied to a classified add. I went to her home. She and her husband were in the back yard washing dogs. The dogs (maybe 6 or 7) barked of course. They were not unruly and we ignored them. She had one female she pointed out to me that was soon to deliver. She had one 15wk female puppy for sale and Birdie. She told me that she was moving into the city to be closer to her son who had recently moved out and I guess she had empty nest syndrome. The woman lived in a mobile home near a lake. She had kennels under the mobile home and fans under there. She told me that she alternated the dogs, taking some into the house and putting others out. She kept the mothers and pups in the house. Birdie was housebroken so I suppose she was getting some attention.
All the dogs looked clean. She had complete vet records, recently dated wormer sticker on Birdies record. She told me about homeopathic supplements she used with her dogs. She told me she had bred Birdie once, there were no complications. How does one prove that a bitch has only been bred once? How would I know if that was a lie or not? Her tits are not distended, but it is obvious that she has nursed in the past. She said that Birdie had recently been in heat. She was obviously not bred at that time. She has not come into heat again and I have owned her about 3 months. The woman didn't appear to hide anything from me. She allowed me to see her breeding stock and where they live. She sold me a dog, she didn't auction it or abandon it, or have it euthanized. I don't know if she had a website or not. The only breed I saw were standard size Yorkies. So forgive me if I take issue with you characterizing her as unscrupulous. I didn't see any evidence to support that remark.

You just gave us evidence! I was close to saying that maybe too many were jumping the gun being accusatory to the original breeder before all the facts were known, but instead those who posted along those lines were evidently more perceptive than I was. At least they arrived at their conclusion before I did. You just gave testimony to the Yorkies maltreatment and what is appalling is that you did not even recognize that you had done it. Keeping a toy dog like a Yorkie under a trailer is not adequate. They are not dogs that are meant to be raised outside. They are house dogs that by their very nature need human companionship and nurturing. They can overheat very quickly in the summer heat and freeze easily in the winter extremes. Terms like "breeding stock" make me cringe. Tells a LOT about a person's feelings and attitude toward their dogs. A breeder does not need to depersonalize her Yorkies! A scrupulous breeder would never do that. If a person wants breeding stock, they should switch to livestock not pets!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

You just gave us evidence! I was close to saying that maybe too many were jumping the gun being accusatory to the original breeder before all the facts were known, but instead those who posted along those lines were evidently more perceptive than I was. At least they arrived at their conclusion before I did. You just gave testimony to the Yorkies maltreatment and what is appalling is that you did not even recognize that you had done it. Keeping a toy dog like a Yorkie under a trailer is not adequate. They are not dogs that are meant to be raised outside. They are house dogs that by their very nature need human companionship and nurturing. They can overheat very quickly in the summer heat and freeze easily in the winter extremes. Terms like "breeding stock" make me cringe. Tells a LOT about a person's feelings and attitude toward their dogs. A breeder does not need to depersonalize her Yorkies! A scrupulous breeder would never do that. If a person wants breeding stock, they should switch to livestock not pets!

Debra, THANK YOU FOR THIS. You hit the nail right on the head....

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I DID NOT say this breeder was unscrupulous..I made a post to your point that you think (maybe.. maybe not) once breeders are done with their breeding stock they pet them out. NO they don't.

You prove a bitch has had x amount of litters from her registration papers...did you get any papers on her?

Now having read what you posted about this breeder keeping dogs under her trailer in kennels then this is a person to me that doesn't care about her dogs. Yorkies should never be treated this way....end of story.

Cindy, I have never seen anything on any registration paper for any adult girl I have ever purchased. can you tell me where to look on the paper? Thanks. i have been given breeding records before tho. Just don't think it is on the registration certificate if that is what you mean. i do agree with your post. As soon as I read what she wrote about how this breeder keeps her dogs, I knew what kind of person this breeder is.

[Sugar's Mom]

i agree that we all need to stop posting on this thread. it is apparent that the OP has no knowledge at all if she is wanting to breed a blue born boy to this poor little girl and it seems to me that she is unwilling to learn. just adds one more name to the list of of very unethical byb that will be putting sick puppies out to the uneducated public. if she had any feelings at all, both these dogs would be spayed, neutered and loved. Every time the op posts she is showing her true self and just how little she knows .

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Cindy, I have never seen anything on any registration paper for any adult girl I have ever purchased. can you tell me where to look on the paper? Thanks. i have been given breeding records before tho. Just don't think it is on the registration certificate if that is what you mean. i do agree with your post. As soon as I read what she wrote about how this breeder keeps her dogs, I knew what kind of person this breeder is.

Sorry, that is what I meant ...breeding records. I was after what kind of paperwork she got from this greeder.

I do think it is important to get to the bottom of this so if the OP wants to sell her puppies here we know the truth.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i agree that we all need to stop posting on this thread. it is apparent that the OP has no knowledge at all if she is wanting to breed a blue born boy to this poor little girl and it seems to me that she is unwilling to learn. just adds one more name to the list of of very unethical byb that will be putting sick puppies out to the uneducated public. if she had any feelings at all, both these dogs would be spayed, neutered and loved. Every time the op posts she is showing her true self and just how little she knows .

Dee, I think it all about the $$$. That poor poor girl. I would take her in a minute.

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

You just gave us evidence! I was close to saying that maybe too many were jumping the gun being accusatory to the original breeder before all the facts were known, but instead those who posted along those lines were evidently more perceptive than I was. At least they arrived at their conclusion before I did. You just gave testimony to the Yorkies maltreatment and what is appalling is that you did not even recognize that you had done it. Keeping a toy dog like a Yorkie under a trailer is not adequate. They are not dogs that are meant to be raised outside. They are house dogs that by their very nature need human companionship and nurturing. They can overheat very quickly in the summer heat and freeze easily in the winter extremes. Terms like "breeding stock" make me cringe. Tells a LOT about a person's feelings and attitude toward their dogs. A breeder does not need to depersonalize her Yorkies! A scrupulous breeder would never do that. If a person wants breeding stock, they should switch to livestock not pets!

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Sorry, that is what I meant ...breeding records. I was after what kind of paperwork she got from this greeder.

I do think it is important to get to the bottom of this so if the OP wants to sell her puppies here we know the truth.

i agree. I started looking over all my certificates and realized all I have right now is my own breeding and I thought sshoot where would that info be. LOL

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Dee, I think it all about the $$$. That poor poor girl. I would take her in a minute.

yes, poor girl and poor boy. Poor unsuspecting people that are going to have these babies.

[inabowbina]

when you pick her up don't come down on her with your hand. get to her level let her see your hand talk to her first make sure she knows you are there pet her head then slowly slowly pick her up. little dogs have this problem people just pick them up out nowhere they don't see it coming and they get scared. it probably started as a nervous habit and now that's just how she know to react to being picked up. you need to take it slow when you pick her up. go slow let her see your hand first talk to her even maybe give her a treat before you pick her up and when you pick her up give her a lot of praise. its hard to fix a dog of nervous peeing. she needs a home where their is not much noise, no children or other dogs. and the right people to give her the time she needs to get over this. breeding her is going to make her more anxious and being pregnant with any species puts pressure on the bladders so she is going to be peeing more so good luck with that.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

How did you find her (the breeder)? What proof do you have this little girl only had 1 litter? Where do you think the dogs slept at night? How did the other dogs act when you came to the house? What did the lady do to quiet them down? Does this breeder have a website? Was she breeding other breeds?

I replied to a classified add. I went to her home. She and her husband were in the back yard washing dogs. The dogs (maybe 6 or 7) barked of course. They were not unruly and we ignored them. She had one female she pointed out to me that was soon to deliver. She had one 15wk female puppy for sale and Birdie. She told me that she was moving into the city to be closer to her son who had recently moved out and I guess she had empty nest syndrome. The woman lived in a mobile home near a lake. She had kennels under the mobile home and fans under there. She told me that she alternated the dogs, taking some into the house and putting others out. She kept the mothers and pups in the house. Birdie was housebroken so I suppose she was getting some attention.
All the dogs looked clean. She had complete vet records, recently dated wormer sticker on Birdies record. She told me about homeopathic supplements she used with her dogs. She told me she had bred Birdie once, there were no complications. How does one prove that a bitch has only been bred once? How would I know if that was a lie or not? Her tits are not distended, but it is obvious that she has nursed in the past. She said that Birdie had recently been in heat. She was obviously not bred at that time. She has not come into heat again and I have owned her about 3 months. The woman didn't appear to hide anything from me. She allowed me to see her breeding stock and where they live. She sold me a dog, she didn't auction it or abandon it, or have it euthanized. I don't know if she had a website or not. The only breed I saw were standard size Yorkies. So forgive me if I take issue with you characterizing her as unscrupulous. I didn't see any evidence to support that remark.

Nice....really nice - living under a trailer park house ? I think I've heard it all now. No mention what state or maybe I missed it but the weather conditions can be EXTREME in most states - not to mention - living in cages under a house is just cruel. who cares what she told you - people LIE

Those poor dogs.

I hope the woman knows what the word KARMA means.