Stress piddler

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

It has occurred to me that this submissive behavior might be inherited. I have considered not breeding her.
BTW, I am not a breeder. I wanted pups to GIVE to my family who wanted the offspring of my male. He has a great personality and disposition.

it is inherited. I have seen it right here in my home. no one expects you to give the dog away but she did offer you the three hundred dollars .

[Sugar's Mom]

[quote=kerrylatrece;2799307]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I'm sure Manlosmom was not thinking she could get a free dog but rather, that she could rescue her from YOU. yes, that's right. With the attitude you have, this dog needs rescueing.


That makes me ROFL. You rescuers are gong to be awfully busy rescuing all the dogs who have owners with attitudes.LOL.

By that definition your dog needs rescuing too.

Let's leave the rescuing for the dogs that are mistreated and abandoned. Or would you like to be the judge who decides if every pet owner has an attitude you approve of. Be careful, that would be pretty busy job and your dog might get neglected.

you are so wrong. if you want to know about me and my attitude, do a search on here. You will find out a few things about me and a few things you need to learn about breeding. BTW, I don't have "a dog" I have six and four puppies right now. I am a breeder who cares more for her dogs than i care for most people . Shame on the breeder that sold you this dog.

[red98vett]

[quote=kerrylatrece;2799307]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I'm sure Manlosmom was not thinking she could get a free dog but rather, that she could rescue her from YOU. yes, that's right. With the attitude you have, this dog needs rescueing.

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That makes me ROFL. You rescuers are gong to be awfully busy rescuing all the dogs who have owners with attitudes.LOL.

By that definition your dog needs rescuing too.

Let's leave the rescuing for the dogs that are mistreated and abandoned. Or would you like to be the judge who decides if every pet owner has an attitude you approve of. Be careful, that would be pretty busy job and your dog might get neglected.

before you jump on people - SugarsMom & Peanut (who just posted to you) ARE BREEDERS. They know what they're talking about when it comes to breeding yorkies...

I wish people would leave breeding to those who put forth effort and thought into it - isn't not about a cute dog you love then having puppies. You're adding to the dog population ....what would happen if your family was unhappy with the puppies you give them ? Who's going to take care of those dogs ?

I think we ALL think about it - it doesn't mean we should do it ...even more so if you have a dog that you already know to be stressed out.

[manolos mom]

The offer still stands.

[lfbussell]

Have no answer for your piddle problem, but have one for YOUR PROBLEM!!!
She doesn't have a personality you like in a dog, but you will keep her long enough to get a litter of pups out of her to sell and MAKE MONEY ON and then you will get rid of her!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
Why don't you have some feelings and find her a new home now with someone who does not want her for 'business', but would want her for herself and give her a loving home that she can stay in!!!!????

[Ellie May]

Keeping a dog around for a year that you don't even really like just to breed her with your male and possibly have the same temperament as the female passed on to the pups is very sad.

Please learn to love her even with her issues or rehome her.
If you don't want to deal with her issues, then please give her to Manolos Mom.

[bebeyorkie]

Originally Posted by jackson25

Wow! Poor baby! Going from one place to another! And now after she settles in her new home, she will have to leave again! What a sad life for her, no wonder she is always stressed! IMO, I would find her a new home right now!

[blancla]

kerrylatrece, I am not here to judge or criticise. However, I hope that you accept the $300 that manolos mom is offering. I think it would be best for you and the female dog. That's all I am going to say on this subject.

[bebeyorkie]

[QUOTE=kerrylatrece;2799297]It has occurred to me that this submissive behavior might be inherited. I have considered not breeding her.
BTW, I am not a breeder. I wanted pups to GIVE to my family who wanted the offspring of my male. He has a great personality and disposition.

Thank God you are not a breeder!!! Poor Baby!!!

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

I bought a 2yr. old female from a breeder. She was moving into town and getting out of the business. The dog has had one litter previously. This dog is VERY submissive. My main problem is that she is a stress piddler. If she is scared or surprised she piddles. Otherwise she is well housebroken.
Any tips for breaking this behavior?
Once a dog has submissive behavior can it be changed?

I have not bonded well with this dog. She is pretty and sweet but she just does not have the personality I like in a dog. Once I have bred her and weaned my pups I will probably sell her.

so i went and read your past threads to see if there was more information about her. I read that she peed in your bed where she was sleeping. Have you brought her to the vet to see if she's healthy? Maybe she has a UTI on top of submissive urination. With submissive pee-ers you need to not approach them straight on and from above. You need to approach them from the side and on their level. you are coming on too strong. You just got her and she does not trust you. Plus she is being hounded by your male dog. she isn't used to her surroundings and is unsure of where the right place to potty is. you need to separate your male from her most of the time so he will leave her alone. keep her with you, play with her, love on her and teach her. maybe you will bond this way. This female (does she even have a name??) can grow out of the submissive urination but it will take time and training. its not going to happen over night and its not going to happen in the situation she is in now.

now that that's been said i have other issues. Petey is NOT breed standard and might even be blue born! This is not something you want to pass onto puppies. Blue born puppies can have MAJOR health issues. If petey is a true blue born then you got lucky so far in that he is doing ok. But petey is still young and may start to have health problems soon. yes he is very cute and can have the best personality in the world but with his condition you should not breed him. Do some research on blue borns please. Now even if he isn't blue born he still isn't breed standard. his eyes and nose are off colors and his coat is horrible. Not to mention the underlying health problems he may have. Take that and the problems of this new female and you will have some VERY messed up puppies. Please do not breed them.

Since you have not bonded with the female and she has behavioral issues please let manalo's mom buy her from you so she can get the proper care she needs.

[lmperez]

Let me first say I am not judging you and I don't know your situation other than what you have told everyone here, But I feel you might have to do some real soul searching if you truly love dogs:

I had a little girl that was very similar to the girl you describe. I took her in as a foster and had every intention to find the right home for her. Well the people who applied were not appropriate so after 8 mos I decided to adopt her. She had continuous love and attention and improved slightly. But she too had a very flat personality. I finally had to come to terms that she was not right for our family. I found a family that would take her understanding all of her issues and today that little girl is so happy. She never bonded with me but she did bond with her new family. She is now a happy lovable little girl. My guess is that your little girl simply is not happy with her current situation. That may be of no fault of your own. I think if she is unhappy and is not bonding with you that you will ever be able to solve her piddle problem. I truly believe with all my heart that you all would be much happier if you rehomed her now. I don't think breeding her would be a good idea under these circumstances. It takes a strong bond of love and trust for a dog to give healthy mentally stable puppies. There is so much more to breeding then just putting to cute dogs together. The female should not only be healthy physically but mentally as well. PLease reconsider re homing her to a home where she will have the opportunity to hopefully bond with someone and learn to trust and feel secure and you can give a a new start at life.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kerrylatrece

Wow! There is no where I know of than a forum of any kind where you can go to get a big old dose of judgment.

Not one of you have addressed the issues I asked about.
I asked if there is any help for the piddling and submissive behavior.

She is not submissive because I'm not crazy about her. I'm not crazy about her because she is submissive.

I wanted a playmate and a mate for my young male. I have members of my family that like my male and have asked me to have puppies from him. So I went looking for a female.

I looked at several places. I found this lady who is going out of the breeding business. Her place was clean but her dogs are not in the house all of the time, they are let in and out alternately. She had 3 or 4 bitches and 2 males. They were socialized. She kept good records and had documentation of their health care. I took this female to the vet as soon as I got her home and she checked out fine.

This female has had puppies ONCE. So I figured she was breedable. She was the size and coloring I was looking for. I notice that she cowered a little when we made our 1st visit, but this is not unusual when there are strangers around.

She is well house broken, but when you reach for her, sometimes even when she sees it coming, she piddles. If she gets excited, because you have come in the door you only went out of 2 min. ago, she piddles.

I think her submissive behavior is because she was raised in a kennel with many females. I am sure there is a pecking order and she was obviously on bottom.

I am taking good care of her. I give her love and affection but that bond is just not there. I feel bad that it is not there and hope that someone will be able have it with her because she deserves a soul mate.

It would be great if she were never stressed. It would be great if I were never stressed either. I have many stresses in my life. Do you know what they are? Do you care? You have never met me or my dog, but you have all kinds of compassion for her. Want to shoulder any of my problems? Some of you really make me laugh.

She has NOT been passed from home to home. I am her second owner. I will not be giving her to just any old person who says they might take the dog.

Twalla, Really? She will Never get passed that I don't like her? I give her more one on one affection than she probably ever had. You believe she is stressed now from actions I may take in the future? Wow. That is some perceptive animal. Think I'll keep her and sell tickets instead.

I have a dog because it makes me happy, it pleases me, it gives me pleasant companionship. I am just not getting the warm fuzzies from this dog. I have hand raised all the dogs I have had previously and they lived happy lives and died of old age. I am not a fickel owner.

Monolos Mom, after I am through 'using' her, bring $300 and you can pick her up. I'm serious.... or did you just think you could get a free dog?

If anyone has any constructive advise concerning the piddling or submissive behavior, I would love to read it.
The rest of the crap you can keep to yourselves. Write it out, get it of your self righteous chest then just hit delete.[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Me/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]

It does not matter how much one on one time you give to her, dogs know when they are not liked.

\And people did address the issue. They told you that she will not get over it because she knows that you do not like her. So it is a vicious circle, you do not like her because she piddles and she piddles becase you do not like her.

Yes people on here show more compassion for the dog than they do for you. his is a yorkie forum, it is about the dog, not about YOU. The dog has no clontrol over her circumstances. To you she is just a piece of property and she is at your mercy.

Do the right thing and sell her and use the money to buy a puppy.

Do you know how many times we have heard "my friends love my dog and want a puppy out of her/him?" It is the most used excuse for irresponsible breeding. Like their dog is better than any other yorkie.

[JeanieK]

[quote=kerrylatrece;2799307]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I'm sure Manlosmom was not thinking she could get a free dog but rather, that she could rescue her from YOU. yes, that's right. With the attitude you have, this dog needs rescueing.


That makes me ROFL. You rescuers are gong to be awfully busy rescuing all the dogs who have owners with attitudes.LOL.

By that definition your dog needs rescuing too.

Let's leave the rescuing for the dogs that are mistreated and abandoned. Or would you like to be the judge who decides if every pet owner has an attitude you approve of. Be careful, that would be pretty busy job and your dog might get neglected.

Hey girl. you are attacking the wrong woman here. Sugar'smom has always been fair and knowledgable and non judgemental, and a pretty good judge of character.

[mscat]

Hello OP,
I can see why you have taken the defensive side of things . U wrote about a feamle Yorkie you just decided to take in ,and found out that your unable to connect with . This happens sometimes. However, have you given it enout time to really try and work with her? This little yorkie senses that you do not like her , and this may be contributing to her submissive behaviors, including the peeing. Or it can be an underlying medical condition. you say you love her and care about her .But, then your writing about wanting to breed her, just so you can give your family yorkie puppies. then , your going to rehome her after using her, for breeding purposes only . This is sad, and unfair to the female yorkie . She is in no better of a home then where she orginally came from, IMHO.
Why bring a dog into the home, for the sole purpse of breeding, and then rehoming her? Submissive peeing is a common behavioral problem . My Suzi does this when overly excited . The piddleing is easy enough to clean up .Big deal. Just clean it up, and expect her to have some issues from not being cared for propperly in the first place. And it could be a inherited issue, which means breeding her, will just give you more yorkie puppies with the same problem.
Someone on here has offered to give your yorkie a new home! I am certain she was not expecting a free yorkie .I am certain she wants to give the yorkie a new home where plenty of love and affection is waiting for her.
I honestly could never imangine bringing home a yorkie , or any dog for that matter just to breed her, and then feel I don't like this dog, once I am done using her for puppies, I am getting rid of her . My dogs are my family .My joy in my life, and have brought me so much happines that I am emotionally stronger just by having them. They are my babies, my girls who I love and cherish. I have a extremely difficult time understanding the logic of your intentions.
This little female yorkie deserves a forever home, and to be spayed . For goodness sakes, she is not a thing.
I guess their are people in this world who don't treat their animals with respect, love , or even beleive they have to think of what is in the best interest of the dog?
This is why my heart breaks . Dogs are to be cherished, not to be used in this manner. Allow the YT member to give this precious yorkie a new life .I am almost certain once this yorkie settles down in a home that wants her for a nice pet , and feels love, these behavirol problems will disappear .

[kerrylatrece]

Originally Posted by kalina82

so i went and read your past threads to see if there was more information about her. I read that she peed in your bed where she was sleeping. Have you brought her to the vet to see if she's healthy? Maybe she has a UTI on top of submissive urination. With submissive pee-ers you need to not approach them straight on and from above. You need to approach them from the side and on their level. you are coming on too strong. You just got her and she does not trust you. Plus she is being hounded by your male dog. she isn't used to her surroundings and is unsure of where the right place to potty is. you need to separate your male from her most of the time so he will leave her alone. keep her with you, play with her, love on her and teach her. maybe you will bond this way. This female (does she even have a name??) can grow out of the submissive urination but it will take time and training. its not going to happen over night and its not going to happen in the situation she is in now.

now that that's been said i have other issues. Petey is NOT breed standard and might even be blue born! This is not something you want to pass onto puppies. Blue born puppies can have MAJOR health issues. If petey is a true blue born then you got lucky so far in that he is doing ok. But petey is still young and may start to have health problems soon. yes he is very cute and can have the best personality in the world but with his condition you should not breed him. Do some research on blue borns please. Now even if he isn't blue born he still isn't breed standard. his eyes and nose are off colors and his coat is horrible. Not to mention the underlying health problems he may have. Take that and the problems of this new female and you will have some VERY messed up puppies. Please do not breed them.

Since you have not bonded with the female and she has behavioral issues please let manalo's mom buy her from you so she can get the proper care she needs.

Thank you for a reasonable an un-hysterical response.
She only peed in my bed the first night. See I am not a cruel person. I did not put her in a crate in a strage home her first night. When I took her to the vet the next day, I informed her that Birdie had wet where she lay and asked if she could have a UTI or incontinence from having the first litter. She didn't feel that she did. She had no abdominal tenderness and no fever.

Birdie would not respond to Petey for several days. He had his nose up her butt continuously. I went out and bought a baby play pen to separate them, but about the time I got it home the problem had rectified itself. She came in from outside one day and pursued him for once and they got along famously ever after. At first I thought I had made a big mistake because my primary purpose for getting her, contrary to others assumptions, was as a playmate for Petey.

Petey is obviously blue. He has a strong blue gene. My vet feels that he is very healthy and that I shouldn't worry about him having blue born syndrome.

I know that he is not breed standard. I had read on here that some breeders will breed a blue dog into their line to strengthen the blue. Sometimes the line fails to turn blue in adulthood. I noticed that Birdie had not turned. She is over a pound heavier than Petey, and had no problems with her first litter.

I would love to keep Birdie. If she could stop some of the submissive behaviors she would fit in here a lot better. She loves me. But she is so frantic in her approach. She is quite different than Petey and any dog I have raised. She has some bad habits. I do try to work with her. She is a poo eater. She found where the outside cats go. I took her to the vet because she kept throwing up. I finally figured it out. But I don't know what to do about it. We live in the country and I am not up to training ferral cats. I had to quit letting her sleep with me because she was throwing up poo on my bed when I was asleep.

I am not the martyr that some of these dog lovers are. But I don't think I should be vilified because I am not crazy about this dog. Someone wants to call the authorities on me because I am abusive??? What abuse are they referring to. That is really close to liable.

I get in the protective/rescue mode too. My son begged me not to buy Petey because he was funny looking. But he needed me. I am a good mom. He was not in a good enviroment. Everyone thought he was ugly not special with his blue eyes and thin coat. But I love his thin coat. It is so easy to take care of and he looks so rock & roll.

I may not breed Birdie. But I will not be bullied. My movtive to have puppies is not to make money. I never said anything about making money on them. I wanted pups for the same reason people want children. For the lineage. That is why my sisters wanted one of Petey's pups. They want a little bit of him. I know that breeding pure breds is not a walk in the park. But some of you take it a little too seriously. It is a natural function. Dogs will procreate without human intervention given the chance. Some die. It is natural selection. The comforting thing for me is that dogs are pure spirit. They have no sin. So if they do die, sad as it may be, they are protected by their creator.

I did not come here to inflame dog lovers. Far from it. I came here to get help with behavioral problems so that maybe I wont have to find Birdie another home. I would prefer she live harmoniously with us weather or not she bears Petey pups or not. I should probalby not have mentioned that I may have to find her another home. I think I said that to show my frustration with the behavior.

I can wipe up pee till doomsday. But it angers my husband and son and they gripe at me about it. I have had to go out of town quite a bit lately. My mother has Alzheimer's and has had a crisis period. I had to have my neighbor come take care of Birdie while I was gone. I couldn't take her into a different enviroment around people she didn't know and would be stressed. I hate to keep imposing on my neighbors. But I don't want to have her boarding for the same reasons. There is more than one issue here and it not all selfish and selfserving.

Thanks for the tips on how to approach her. I am gentle with her and am sometimes surprised that she piddled when I told her 'let's go outside' and she cowers and rolls over. I am not mean to her. She is an innocent dog and I want to take care of her.