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Originally Posted by kalina82  so i went and read your past threads to see if there was more information about her. I read that she peed in your bed where she was sleeping. Have you brought her to the vet to see if she's healthy? Maybe she has a UTI on top of submissive urination. With submissive pee-ers you need to not approach them straight on and from above. You need to approach them from the side and on their level. you are coming on too strong. You just got her and she does not trust you. Plus she is being hounded by your male dog. she isn't used to her surroundings and is unsure of where the right place to potty is. you need to separate your male from her most of the time so he will leave her alone. keep her with you, play with her, love on her and teach her. maybe you will bond this way. This female (does she even have a name??) can grow out of the submissive urination but it will take time and training. its not going to happen over night and its not going to happen in the situation she is in now.
now that that's been said i have other issues. Petey is NOT breed standard and might even be blue born! This is not something you want to pass onto puppies. Blue born puppies can have MAJOR health issues. If petey is a true blue born then you got lucky so far in that he is doing ok. But petey is still young and may start to have health problems soon. yes he is very cute and can have the best personality in the world but with his condition you should not breed him. Do some research on blue borns please. Now even if he isn't blue born he still isn't breed standard. his eyes and nose are off colors and his coat is horrible. Not to mention the underlying health problems he may have. Take that and the problems of this new female and you will have some VERY messed up puppies. Please do not breed them.
Since you have not bonded with the female and she has behavioral issues please let manalo's mom buy her from you so she can get the proper care she needs. |
Thank you for a reasonable an un-hysterical response.
She only peed in my bed the first night. See I am not a cruel person. I did not put her in a crate in a strage home her first night. When I took her to the vet the next day, I informed her that
Birdie had wet where she lay and asked if she could have a UTI or incontinence from having the first litter. She didn't feel that she did. She had no abdominal tenderness and no fever.
Birdie would not respond to Petey for several days. He had his nose up her butt continuously. I went out and bought a baby play pen to separate them, but about the time I got it home the problem had rectified itself. She came in from outside one day and pursued
him for once and they got along famously ever after. At first I thought I had made a big mistake because my primary purpose for getting her, contrary to others assumptions, was as a playmate for Petey.
Petey is obviously blue. He has a strong blue gene. My vet feels that he is very healthy and that I shouldn't worry about him having blue born syndrome.
I know that he is not breed standard. I had read on here that some breeders will breed a blue dog into their line to strengthen the blue. Sometimes the line fails to turn blue in adulthood. I noticed that Birdie had not turned. She is over a pound heavier than Petey, and had no problems with her first litter.
I would love to keep Birdie. If she could stop some of the submissive behaviors she would fit in here a lot better. She
loves me. But she is so frantic in her approach. She is quite different than Petey and any dog I have raised. She has some bad habits. I do try to work with her. She is a poo eater. She found where the outside cats go. I took her to the vet because she kept throwing up. I finally figured it out. But I don't know what to do about it. We live in the country and I am not up to training ferral cats. I had to quit letting her sleep with me because she was throwing up poo on my bed when I was asleep.
I am not the martyr that some of these dog lovers are. But I don't think I should be vilified because I am not crazy about this dog. Someone wants to call the authorities on me because I am abusive??? What abuse are they referring to. That is really close to liable.
I get in the protective/rescue mode too. My son begged me not to buy Petey because he was funny looking. But he needed me. I am a good mom. He was not in a good enviroment. Everyone thought he was ugly not
special with his blue eyes and thin coat. But I love his thin coat. It is so easy to take care of and he looks so rock & roll.
I may not breed Birdie. But I will not be bullied. My movtive to have puppies is not to make money. I never said anything about making money on them. I wanted pups for the same reason people want children. For the lineage. That is why my sisters wanted one of Petey's pups. They want a little bit of him. I know that breeding pure breds is not a walk in the park. But some of you take it a little too seriously. It is a natural function. Dogs will procreate without human intervention given the chance. Some die. It is natural selection. The comforting thing for me is that dogs are pure spirit. They have no sin. So if they do die, sad as it may be, they are protected by their creator.
I did not come here to inflame dog lovers. Far from it. I came here to get help with behavioral problems so that maybe I wont have to find Birdie another home. I would prefer she live harmoniously with us weather or not she bears Petey pups or not. I should probalby not have mentioned that I may have to find her another home. I think I said that to show my frustration with the behavior.
I can wipe up pee till doomsday. But it angers my husband and son and they gripe at me about it. I have had to go out of town quite a bit lately. My mother has Alzheimer's and has had a crisis period. I had to have my neighbor come take care of Birdie while I was gone. I couldn't take her into a different enviroment around people she didn't know and would be stressed. I hate to keep imposing on my neighbors. But I don't want to have her boarding for the same reasons. There is more than one issue here and it not all selfish and selfserving.
Thanks for the tips on how to approach her. I am gentle with her and am sometimes surprised that she piddled when I told her 'let's go outside' and she cowers and rolls over. I am not mean to her. She is an innocent dog and I want to take care of her.