Trainer says give 2nd Yorkie back to breeder

[BayAreaDesigner]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

How are the girls getting along now? I read that one is more dominant and one more submissive. As a breeder that is the better match in females in a home, however they do tend to "disagree" more than a male/female combo (not all do however it does happen) It sounds like you and the breeder worked together to find the right fit with your other pup, you are using socialization early and regularly, and seem to have a genuine love for your new furbabies. Just wanted to give you a kudos for being the kind of new mommy that any reputable breeder would love to have as a client....So kudos to you....
PS: Never use that trainer again and let everyone in your community know that. Never use that type of correction on a tiny breed dog...I would love to do that to the trainer....

Actually they are really getting along great. At first there was all this noisy interaction (which is partly why I called the trainer, as it freaked me out) Lily was taking her own toys away and hiding them and nipping at Lola. Lola was so shy but man she has come out of her shell now, she even initiates the play with Lily. I watch them run around the coffee table and hide from ea other. Lily makes the round so fast that she ends up jumping over her on her 2nd lap around the table. Then they go off and drink some water together or lie down and chew on a toy or go lay down in the same bed. The daycare people said that Lola only wanted to play with Lily when I took them for the 1st day but she is now interacting with the other dogs as well. I boarded them for the 1st time last night (same daycare) and am anxious to see how they did. Going to get them now.

[yorkielady06]

That is awesome. Things will all work out in the long run and it seems they are doing that already. I do believe that spaying both would be the best option also. When females come into heat they do tend to get "crabby" and try to compete with each other. That is when most of the disagreements happen with my girls. Just a suggestion though, plus heats can be very messy and most doggy daycares do not allow females in season during that time. Good luck with the girls and you seem to be an awesome mom!!!

[Pettysmith]

Find another trainer. I don't care how highly he came recommended. His ideas and methods are not humane. Great to see they are getting along better now.

[itzzbarb]

Maybe the trainer should be sent back to where he came from.

[mscat]

Originally Posted by BayAreaDesigner

Actually they are really getting along great. At first there was all this noisy interaction (which is partly why I called the trainer, as it freaked me out) Lily was taking her own toys away and hiding them and nipping at Lola. Lola was so shy but man she has come out of her shell now, she even initiates the play with Lily. I watch them run around the coffee table and hide from ea other. Lily makes the round so fast that she ends up jumping over her on her 2nd lap around the table. Then they go off and drink some water together or lie down and chew on a toy or go lay down in the same bed. The daycare people said that Lola only wanted to play with Lily when I took them for the 1st day but she is now interacting with the other dogs as well. I boarded them for the 1st time last night (same daycare) and am anxious to see how they did. Going to get them now.

Glad that your 2 babies are getting along so well now. It takes time for them to adjust to one anther. They work it out on their own . I have a 19month old yorkie and a 4 month old Shih tzu .my Yorkie, Suzi is the same way towards out puppy. However, the puppy has attitude, and Suzi has learned not to try and "steal" her toys or bones anymore. Suzi will lay down next to the pup and bark at her, telling her off, and trying all she can to get the pups bone or toy, but she does not go after her, the pup will growl and snap back.
Who's got the upper hand now? My 2 are good friends. I was worried when I first brought our puppy home, she was so tiny. Now Suzi is still bigger then Miely, however they can play together safer now. It is so much fun having 2 babies. I love it.

[nana911]

I would most definitely keep this trainer's business card. File it away. Sometime down the road. Years from now, if your baby EVER, god forbid develops any kind of trachea problem, be it hereditary or what. Doesn't matter...he's gonna be the guy you're gonna want to sue... oh yeah!!

Ya know, I'm thinkin' of about the only place to put a prong collar right now, and it DOES involve soft, tender, starts with a 'T'... HAH! does the word testicles getcha banned? anyway...that and being dragged....

I have two girls both 4 1/2 months.. they fight like cats.. once in awhile one will yelp..the yorkie equivalent of 'uncle'...then they take a break..get a drink. and start back up... they make a huge racket sometimes..but you can tell they are having a blast. They play chase...they sleep together, eat together, explore together and sometimes go their separate ways. All part of being puppies and bonding. They'll get spayed for their 6 month birthdays. I cannot imagine one without the other. I think one would be awful lonely. And you're right. I can't see going through puppyhood twice. LOL...

You cared enough to seek expert advise and that says alot about what a great owner you are. Not your fault you got a moron. Keep that number!!

[BayAreaDesigner]

Originally Posted by nana911

I would most definitely keep this trainer's business card. File it away. Sometime down the road. Years from now, if your baby EVER, god forbid develops any kind of trachea problem, be it hereditary or what. Doesn't matter...he's gonna be the guy you're gonna want to sue... oh yeah!!

Ya know, I'm thinkin' of about the only place to put a prong collar right now, and it DOES involve soft, tender, starts with a 'T'... HAH! does the word testicles getcha banned? anyway...that and being dragged....


I have two girls both 4 1/2 months.. they fight like cats.. once in awhile one will yelp..the yorkie equivalent of 'uncle'...then they take a break..get a drink. and start back up... they make a huge racket sometimes..but you can tell they are having a blast. They play chase...they sleep together, eat together, explore together and sometimes go their separate ways. All part of being puppies and bonding. They'll get spayed for their 6 month birthdays. I cannot imagine one without the other. I think one would be awful lonely. And you're right. I can't see going through puppyhood twice. LOL...

You cared enough to seek expert advise and that says alot about what a great owner you are. Not your fault you got a moron. Keep that number!!

LOL good thinkin!!! Thanks

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by BayAreaDesigner

I am hoping that some of the multiple yorkie owners will weigh in here. I had a trainer who was highly recommended come to my home last week. I have 2 yorkies. Lily is 5 mos and I just got Lola about 3 weeks ago and she is 4 mos (she didn't have socialization skills as she was at the breeders for 16wks). Lily has gone thru puppy training and I have had her since she was 10 wks old. I work during the day and so I have been researching the best way to handle that (I have come home at lunch, used a dog walker and puppy daycare) and because I wanted to also make sure that the setup in my home was the best for 2 puppies I called in a trainer. One of the first things he said was that he wants to be perfectly frank with me and instructed me to give Lola back to the breeder. He said having the 2 would present major problems down the road. He said they would fight and the competition would be disastrous as they matured. The dominant one would become more dominant and aggressive. He said I would probably lose my money but that any breeder worth their salt would take her back and that I shouldn't feel guilty about it. In the long run he said I would be much better off. He said if I was going to have 2 yorkies one of them should have been a male. He said that their play was not appropriate and that 2 females spells "TROUBLE" I was sad & shocked. He also told me to get them spayed "tomorrow" The vet and I had discussed it already and decided to wait a month and have them both done at the same time. He said vets aren't trainers. Later we took the 2 pups outside because Lily had been planting when I would try to take her for a walk. He said I needed one of those collars with the prongs so she could feel it when I tug on the leash (I only use harnesses) He said there was no reason why she shouldn't wear a collar. As she would not walk he drug her down the street and then put the end of the leash around her neck and drug her a little more. She NEVER walked. I paid him $100 for the consult. Of course now she won't walk at all on the leash. I had not heard any of these negatives before I got Lola and I wonder what the opinion of some of you that have or have had multiple puppies is. Oh and, I thought the 2 of them were coming along really well together. But I guess I'm not a trainer either. Thanks

Usually the rule of thum is space your pups three years apart.
Not usually. That said we have a set here that are spaced in days apart of arrival and age and they are wonderful little/big females on spayed one not together.
If he dragged my kid down the street he would not be getting paid at all he be getting reported. there is not need for that.
I think you can do this.
I think you are smart and sending the pup back sounds silly.
With a little hard work it will be fine. They may have astronger bond with each other then you but as long as you do not mind he should go jump in a lake.
I also put two small females together and they are just fine.
If you think you can manage and I am sure you thought so before all this happened then go for it.

JL