"Parti Yorkies" What's your opinion

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Jaxx

Last summer I was at a IABCA Show , saw Biewers being shown, and asked if Parti Color Yorkies could be shown and what the standard would be for them. Apparently they use the standard from the country the breed originated in.

This is the email that I received the next week.

" The Parti colored Yorkie can show in our shows, she would be judged against the FCI standards (www.fci.be)"


Brooke Bridegum
IABCA
International Dog Shows

Hmm...very interesting. Thanks for the info.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Hmmm over priced are they? Lets see you payed 4,000 for a top line female, you pay 1000 to get her bred to a great male. You have complications , so a c- section, you only save 2 puppys , what price would you place on them???? after shots , worming, socialization at 16 weeks,plus they are DNA'd ????????????

Let's not forget about health testing as well. Bile Acid testing, OFA for patella's and hips, CERF, and DNA.

[angeleyes]

I am still new at this Yorkie stuff with my black and white Morkie, Belle. I guess I knew that I wanted either a Yorkie or a Maltese and found them both to be too expensive after the costs we incurred with losing our Schnauzer. I was lucky to find Belle from a breeder who I could go to see the litter. Most of the puppies looked like mama Yorkie. Belle was different but what made me choose her was she also chose me. I can't say I'm for intentionally breeding to get dogs that are different from the standards and then charging a lot more money. Yorkies are a purebred and I wonder if breeding for difference isn't going to end up going wrong. Belle was bred by two purebreds intentionally to produce Morkies but they were not nearly the cost of a purebred Maltese or Yorkie. My thinking is you buy for love unless you plan on showing. Belle was bought to be my little girl to snuggle with and love and help heal a broken heart and she is worth 10 times what I paid for her in the love I receive.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Not sure what point your trying to make here?

Both the Parti and the Biewer ARE the same dog.. they are BOTH a tri colored Yorkshire Terrier.. that's it.. sooo simple. They have developed differently because there was a focus in Germany to perfect a specific look by Mr. Biewer.. that has not/was not the focus here in the states.. here these beautiful dogs were hidden or petted out or worse.. they are just starting their journey here and don't have the benifit of the 26+ years the Biewers have yet. I'm sure the breeders who are focusing on the Parti's dream the same dreams many of us have for our Biewers.. they hope one day to be "accepted" and to be able to hold their heads up high and be shown in the ring on equal footing with their stunningly beautiful yorkie brothers as a variety of a Yorkshire Terrier. The AKC is full of examples where this has happened in the past .. who knows ... the "underworld" could freeze over? LOL

-Diana

You are so right. I know of a few parti breeders who feel the same as I do. Our goal is to breed the parti yorkie to a standard (except for color) equal to today's show yorkie. Hopefully...soon, there will be a standard in place for all reputable parti breeders to follow.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

You are so right. I know of a few parti breeders who feel the same as I do. Our goal is to breed the parti yorkie to a standard (except for color) equal to today's show yorkie. Hopefully...soon, there will be a standard in place for all reputable parti breeders to follow.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Jaxx

Last summer I was at a IABCA Show , saw Biewers being shown, and asked if Parti Color Yorkies could be shown and what the standard would be for them. Apparently they use the standard from the country the breed originated in.

This is the email that I received the next week.

" The Parti colored Yorkie can show in our shows, she would be judged against the FCI standards (www.fci.be)"


Brooke Bridegum
IABCA
International Dog Shows

This is true as Raymond Antonucci showed his Parti's with IABCA before his untimely death.

I totally agree with Diana (Greenwood Biewer) that these are the same dogs as both can be traced back to one kennel in England.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JennyLeroux

the prices are based on demand

Bingo...therein lies the problem.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Hmmm over priced are they? Lets see you payed 4,000 for a top line female, you pay 1000 to get her bred to a great male. You have complications , so a c- section, you only save 2 puppys , what price would you place on them???? after shots , worming, socialization at 16 weeks,plus they are DNA'd ????????????

The same happens with the traditional colored Yorkies, many times with show costs to factor in too. Thus why people are always warned that you will never see profit when you breed in an ethical manner and will more often than not end up in the red.
Yes, there are situations where there are unforseen issues, like c-sections--that's the exception, not the norm.
The biggest issue would be paying the 4000 for the stock to begin with. Breeders with CH traditional colored Yorkies don't charge that much...what would make that particular dog any different?

[JennyLeroux]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

This is true as Raymond Antonucci showed his Parti's with IABCA before his untimely death.

I totally agree with Diana (Greenwood Biewer) that these are the same dogs as both can be traced back to one kennel in England.

This is new information to me that the Parti and the Biewer can be traced back to a kennel in England. Where are you getting your info from? Any leads towards researching this would be appreciated.

I am also fascinated with Mr. Antonucci's contribution to the breed and I was unaware that he breed and showed Partis.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by FidoTheYorkie

Bewer Yorkies or Party Yorkies are mixes between Maltese and a Yorkie, they are not purebreed.
These dogs do not belong in breeding cause their color is way to wrong.

Oh dear, You have been badly misinformed. Please research before posting misinformation.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by chachi

I just saw one for $4500 on here advertised now.

That one is a golden parti.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

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Originally Posted by Taybri
i like the parti-colors but may i ask can't some breeder have parti-color and list as biewer for a bigger price? i live in wisconsin and would love a reputable list of breeders near central wisconsin. I have gotten bad replies on wanting a small teenie male but its for a pet and i ask out of necessity. I am disabled with degenerative bone disease and can't have much weight on my lap or to carry. sigh. thanks for listening to me, and due note that there may be others disabled who have to go with tiny in order to have a full blown holding and loving experience with a yorkie.



A pet quality biewer is priced far less than most parti's. Not to mention to be defined a biewer...the lines on the dog's ancestors can be traced back to the original Friedheck line.

Not sure how one would do that, if the parents are partis, you cannot register the puppies as Biewers.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by bjh

I love the traditional yorkie but I have to admit I have seen some beautiful parti yorkies but I have also seen many that look poorly bred. If the parti is a yorkie, which it is, then other than the additional white coloring, the parti should conform to the yorkie standard and I am not seeing that in most of them. If a breeder is going to breed parti yorkies then they need to not just focus on the color. Conformation and soundness should come first. I have heard that many unethical breeders have been mixing in other breeds with the yorkie to come up with these parti yorkies and I feel that is wrong. If someone wants a parti as a pet then is fine to buy a pet parti yorkie if you find one you really love but if your intentions are to buy a parti for breeding then please do your research and breed only the best.

That is why it is important to research the lines that the parti came from and if it does not lead back to a few prominent kennels than I would not buy it.

Most of us have paid good money for our partis and know exactly where they came from.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

there is onee on PuppyFind/kentucky for 10,000.

Really? I need to raise my price. LOL It probably isn't even a golden.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't think we should compare breeding dogs with humans; we don't "breed" for humans in that way, and nature has nothing to do with it, breeders choose what traits to breed for. At one time, most people just owned mutts a little of this and a little of that, and there is nothing wrong with this, many were beautiful healthy dogs. But what if you wanted a dog just like your neighbors dog, what then? Purebred breeding came about because certain dogs were good at certain tasks. Each breed then developed a standard, or a recipe on what a perfect example of the breed should look like, and it's temperament. If a breeder never breeds to standard, it wouldn't take that many generations before a yorkie wouldn't process any of the qualities that set the yorkie apart from other breeds. In other words, it would eventually look just like a mutt, it might have the short hair of the Chihuahua, the curly hair of a poodle, the droopy ears of the Maltese, but it would still be pure bred. Purebred only means that the parents were purebred; it doesn't mean that the parents actually were a good representative of the breed. If you really familiarize yourself with standard, you will understand that the yorkie standard is very difficult to obtain, but it's an extraordinary dog to behold. Even those that don't meet standard are really cute, but until every breeder can easily obtain standard and can also produce a healthy puppy, I say we avoid producing for more variety. The whole idea of purebreds is less variety, and one good example should very much look and be like another good example. If you want more variety, you could go for a different breed, lots of variety there. No matter what the breed, I always encourage buyers to support those breeders who understand the importance of breeding to standard.

The YTCA is just a club, that has set the standards for the dogs that are to be shown. It did not create the yorkie, in fact todays yorkies are far different from the original yorkies.

It's just a club that has set rules and guidelines for their members. I do not belong to their club for the same reason that I don't belong to many other clubs, simply because I do not believe in their rules.

I am not trying to change the look of the YTCA standard, I am just breeding nice healthy, sound beautiful dogs.

Many show breeders are not concerned with health, they just want a champion, and are not the least concerned with health or temprament.

Just because a dog looks perfect does not mean that it should reproduce. And just because a dog has a color fault does not mean that it shlould not reproduce.

Perhaps putting some variety back into the breed could help to keep the lines healthy.