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MorkieMomii

09-10-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 2795469)

I only breed Biewers to Biewers. My teapot Yorkie and my havanese have been neutered a long time ago.

All Biewers can be traced back to the original breeders, Gertrud and Werner Biewer.

Parti's do not follow a standardard. Biewers have white on all 4 legs, tip of the tail (and their tails are not docked) and 3 colors in the face. Those who breed parti's are breeding a variation of color that cannot be shown in any ring. Biewers are shown in 3 rare breed venues.

So what I am so curious about is how it starts. You can't breed brother and sister dogs right? So where do you get the Biewer to start with? like in the beginning the dogs would not be as they are today, they were slowly shaped that way, so how did they start out? What breeds did they mix to acheive that look? And since each breed is essentially created over time, why is there sometimes so much resistance to create a new breed? I find it so fasinating.

BamaFan121s

09-10-2009 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2794757)

I love the traditional yorkie but I have to admit I have seen some beautiful parti yorkies but I have also seen many that look poorly bred. If the parti is a yorkie, which it is, then other than the additional white coloring, the parti should conform to the yorkie standard and I am not seeing that in most of them. If a breeder is going to breed parti yorkies then they need to not just focus on the color. Conformation and soundness should come first. I have heard that many unethical breeders have been mixing in other breeds with the yorkie to come up with these parti yorkies and I feel that is wrong. If someone wants a parti as a pet then is fine to buy a pet parti yorkie if you find one you really love but if your intentions are to buy a parti for breeding then please do your research and breed only the best.

You summed that up perfectly! I think that there are a lot of dishonest "parti breeders" out there focusing on just color alone and profiting a pretty penny off of it...because of the "rare" factor. (Or likely just mixing something else in altogether.) I think those types of breeders really give those who ARE trying to go about breeding them ethically a bad name. And that really is unfortunate.

As far as following the standard except for color, I made a similar statement not long ago and had my head ripped off for it. I'm glad you were able to make such a simple AND TRUE statement without it turning into blood shed.:p

Despite some misconceptions that some people have, I'm really on the fence as far as partis go. The problem that presents itself is finding people who are actually taking the appropriate steps in breeding them ethically and not just hiding under the "creating something new all breeds started somewhere" excuse. :)

kpstoybox

09-10-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2795455)

Karen,

You know that I agree with you and the importance of breeding a quality parti Yorkie! I want to raise the best that I can, no matter what color the puppy is.

Tammy

Of course you do Tammy!! I just wish their were more like you out there. ;)

kpstoybox

09-10-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy Princess (Post 2793168)

Oh I love your babies. I have both Yorkie and Biewer and they are both amazing. What are their names? Also welcome to YT!:D And, who cares what people think? You love him/her and that's all that matters.:D:animal-pa

Cyndi,
What a refreshing voice of reason you are in all of this yorkie/biewer/parti madness!!

Give both Izzy and Cosmo hugs for me! :luvu:

Breny

09-11-2009 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 2795440)

How would this be fair to those of us who truly love and want only the best for the parti yorkie?
At least 50% (probably many more then that) of the AKC traditional colored yorkies that are being bred today fall short (in some way or another) of the standard set forth by the YTCA. Just one look on Puppyfind will prove this fact. Why should my love of...and desire to better the parti yorkie...be determined by the amount of breeders who are not now, nor never will be breeding any color yorkie to a standard?

Many breed clubs have allowed variety classes for dogs that did not meet the standard set for the breed. The beagle has one for size. Both standards for the breed are identical except for height! Just two inches of height earned one of the sizes it's own variety class to be shown seprate from the other size. Imagine that?
So why can't those of us...who truly love the parti for it's color (and not how many pups we can produce to sell)...keep the dream that one day it will be granted show status with it's own color variety class? The American cocker spaniel has THREE color varieties and they are not shown in the same ring until group.

That is my hopes and dreams for the American Parti Yorkie. :)

But as BJH already stated so eloquently...the variety will need a lot of serious breeders who are more in love with the color (more so then money it can make) and start breeding the parti yorkie to a standard comparable to the show yorkie of today before that can ever happen. And right now...sadly...I don't see that happening anytime soon.

:thumbup: Good post!!!

Nancy1999

09-11-2009 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 2795440)

How would this be fair to those of us who truly love and want only the best for the parti yorkie?
At least 50% (probably many more then that) of the AKC traditional colored yorkies that are being bred today fall short (in some way or another) of the standard set forth by the YTCA. Just one look on Puppyfind will prove this fact. Why should my love of...and desire to better the parti yorkie...be determined by the amount of breeders who are not now, nor never will be breeding any color yorkie to a standard?

Many breed clubs have allowed variety classes for dogs that did not meet the standard set for the breed. The beagle has one for size. Both standards for the breed are identical except for height! Just two inches of height earned one of the sizes it's own variety class to be shown seprate from the other size. Imagine that?
So why can't those of us...who truly love the parti for it's color (and not how many pups we can produce to sell)...keep the dream that one day it will be granted show status with it's own color variety class? The American cocker spaniel has THREE color varieties and they are not shown in the same ring until group.

That is my hopes and dreams for the American Parti Yorkie. :)

But as BJH already stated so eloquently...the variety will need a lot of serious breeders who are more in love with the color (more so then money it can make) and start breeding the parti yorkie to a standard comparable to the show yorkie of today before that can ever happen. And right now...sadly...I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I agree with you that at least 50% of yorkies fall short of standard, I would say the number is closer to 90%, but that's exactly why I encourage people to only support those breeders who are breeding to standard. I disagree with a breeder breeding to meet public demands because you are altering the breed in a way in which you personally find desirable. Too many breeds integrity has been compromised because breeders decided to alter the breed in ways that were fashionable. If a breeder were truly interested in developing this new color scheme, I believe they would sell at prices that were similar to any other dog with a fault, after all they wouldn't be in it for the money, but they would just be trying to improve the breed. As far as the claims made that you charge more because your breeding stock cost more, how about the show breeder, if we were paying them the cost of what they actually put into their dogs, the price would be at least $10,000. I am totally against breeding as a business, because you don't really do what's best for the breed when the goal is making money.

BamaFan121s

09-11-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2796514)

As far as the claims made that you charge more because your breeding stock cost more...

Yeah, I don't really understand that logic or how it justifies charging so much either. It just seems like the dogs started out overpriced and the trend is just continuing down the line. I would feel the same way if it were a standard colored Yorkie as well. To me, charging an astronomical price for a Parti is no different that the breeder who charges an arm and a leg for an extremely tiny dog. When that happens, people are normally livid.

Fancy_Pants

09-11-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie1760 (Post 2789778)

I love them and many here do too. Some day I'll own one or a Brewier

Welcome, you're going to love it here!!!

Yes, I think they are beautiful and I want one. Now!! Haha!

Your baby is beautiful, congrats!

GreenwoodBiewer

09-12-2009 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 2795469)

Not sure what point your trying to make here?

Both the Parti and the Biewer ARE the same dog.. they are BOTH a tri colored Yorkshire Terrier.. that's it.. sooo simple. They have developed differently because there was a focus in Germany to perfect a specific look by Mr. Biewer.. that has not/was not the focus here in the states.. here these beautiful dogs were hidden or petted out or worse.. they are just starting their journey here and don't have the benifit of the 26+ years the Biewers have yet. I'm sure the breeders who are focusing on the Parti's dream the same dreams many of us have for our Biewers.. they hope one day to be "accepted" and to be able to hold their heads up high and be shown in the ring on equal footing with their stunningly beautiful yorkie brothers as a variety of a Yorkshire Terrier. The AKC is full of examples where this has happened in the past .. who knows ... the "underworld" could freeze over? LOL

-Diana:animal-pa

BayAreaDesigner

09-13-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by beemidiwfe (Post 2789777)

I think they are beautiful dogs and would love to have one myself. I guess you are wondering if some are judgmental about exploiting this "fault"?? I don't think so on this list. Some of the most frequent, most knowledgeable posters have Parties (not sure of plural spelling). My 'traditional' Yorkie is 9 1/2 pounds and a little too long and there is no cold shoulder about that either.

I think most on this list are just happy to have this community of people who love their dogs enough to seek a email group to talk about them!!

Really cute puppy by the way.

Amen to that!

JennyLeroux

09-17-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2796618)

I am not justifying the price on Parti's in any way but the prices are based on demand. Just as a breeder would hold on to a puppy for sometimes up to 10 months to see what the size would be or how close the dog comes to the standard. The smaller the size and the closer to the standard the higher the price.

Nancy1999

09-17-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JennyLeroux (Post 2804739)

Breeders don't hold a puppy for 10 months to decide on price. They hold a puppy because they think it has show potential or breeding potential. They can always get much more for a 12 week old puppy than a 10 months old, but sometimes when they hold one back, the female doesn't grow big enough to be a breeder, or has some other flaw. Much of the demand for parti's is brought about by breeders and their claims of "rareness", and this is what appeals to people who don't understand. They are only rare only because it's a fault and shouldn't be bred for, really good breeders don't breed for faults. I would not suggest buying from a breeder who sold smaller pups for larger amounts. I should add that a really good breeder is always trying to do what's best for the breed, not their personal interests.

Yorkiekids

09-17-2009 12:11 PM

Your baby is beautiful, and I love Biewers and Parti's, but I do think they are over priced.

Breezeaway

09-17-2009 06:41 PM

Hmmm over priced are they? Lets see you payed 4,000 for a top line female, you pay 1000 to get her bred to a great male. You have complications , so a c- section, you only save 2 puppys , what price would you place on them???? after shots , worming, socialization at 16 weeks,plus they are DNA'd ????????????

Jaxx	09-17-2009 08:45 PM

Parti Color Yorkies can be shown in the IABCA Shows

Last summer I was at a IABCA Show , saw Biewers being shown, and asked if Parti Color Yorkies could be shown and what the standard would be for them. Apparently they use the standard from the country the breed originated in.

This is the email that I received the next week.

" The Parti colored Yorkie can show in our shows, she would be judged against the FCI standards (www.fci.be)"

Brooke Bridegum
IABCA
International Dog Shows

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