An Offer you couldn't refuse ;)

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

I was just saying that the breeder who Stormy came from was a nice lady and you said she may of not known better so I was just explaining how couldn't she, even if she did, she couldn't possibly think it was okay to breed dogs and so many dogs the way she is doing it even if she is nice.

BYB and others who you are speaking of now, yes it may be true they don't know better. But I still don't feel bad for them because I think if your going to do something you should do it right and that means do EVERYTHING you can to make an educated decision, if they can't figure out the right way to do it, then they don't deserve to do it, it is there own fault.

Yup pretty much!!

[RachelandSadie]

This is me today lol

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

This lady had put Stormy had bad knees on her papers, but why keep breeding the mom and dad if you were getting dogs with bad knees? Doesn't make sense. Yes they probably are nice humans, but personally if you can treat animals this way ,even if you know or don't know any better it is all the same. You have to be sick to think it is okay or to believe you are not harming them.

I'm glad your girl is okay!

You're right - that makes no sense. Besides being unethical - think of all the puppies that are in pain because someone chooses to not change their breeding practices knowing there's a problem.

Anyone in charge of bringing life into the world should KNOW what they're doing and be responsible....nice or not.

and thank you regarding Chanel. This was quite a few years ago that this happened but I'll never forget it. Hope your girl is ok with her knees.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

This is me today lol

ok. Now THAT was funny.

[MorkieMomii]

Darn I just took a quick peek to catch up and just had to say this..

The video clip with the Amish dude, I don't think he was heartless or crazy, I think it has to do with scripture. Not to bring religion on here but...Their scripture gives them power over all animals that God has "given" them and I think they would look at you confused if you suggested something as silly as giving an animal respect. I have a quote for this too...

Personally, I would not give a fig for any man's religion whose horse, cat and dog do not feel its benefits. Life in any form is our perpetual responsibility. ~S. Parkes Cadman

I lived for years in what is called the "bible belt" here is BC, and the attitude that animals are nothing(all animals) but a product to be used and given by God was the norm. It disgusted me and I am glad I do not live in that area any longer.

Someone said (I think it was Rachel) that these ideas were part of their upbringing. It is true and therefore next to impossible to change unless it starts with the children.

Ok back to housework

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by red98vett

You're right - that makes no sense. Besides being unethical - think of all the puppies that are in pain because someone chooses to not change their breeding practices knowing there's a problem.

Anyone in charge of bringing life into the world should KNOW what they're doing and be responsible....nice or not.

and thank you regarding Chanel. This was quite a few years ago that this happened but I'll never forget it. Hope your girl is ok with her knees.

Thanks she was okay with them, sadly she is not here with us any more but watching over us in heaven now Won't ever know if it was because of where she came from or if it was an accident, she passed away very suddenly last month.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MorkieMomii

Darn I just took a quick peek to catch up and just had to say this..

The video clip with the Amish dude, I don't think he was heartless or crazy, I think it has to do with scripture. Not to bring religion on here but...Their scripture gives them power over all animals that God has "given" them and I think they would look at you confused if you suggested something as silly as giving an animal respect. I have a quote for this too...

Personally, I would not give a fig for any man's religion whose horse, cat and dog do not feel its benefits. Life in any form is our perpetual responsibility. ~S. Parkes Cadman

I lived for years in what is called the "bible belt" here is BC, and the attitude that animals are nothing(all animals) but a product to be used and given by God was the norm. It disgusted me and I am glad I do not live in that area any longer.

Someone said (I think it was Rachel) that these ideas were part of their upbringing. It is true and therefore next to impossible to change unless it starts with the children.

Ok back to housework

Oh my, see I was taught that we are stewards of God's animals.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

Thanks she was okay with them, sadly she is not here with us any more but watching over us in heaven now Won't ever know if it was because of where she came from or if it was an accident, she passed away very suddenly last month.

oh no ! I'm so sorry - I just now saw where you have her in your signature. I'm sorry....

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by MorkieMomii

Darn I just took a quick peek to catch up and just had to say this..

The video clip with the Amish dude, I don't think he was heartless or crazy, I think it has to do with scripture. Not to bring religion on here but...Their scripture gives them power over all animals that God has "given" them and I think they would look at you confused if you suggested something as silly as giving an animal respect. I have a quote for this too...

Personally, I would not give a fig for any man's religion whose horse, cat and dog do not feel its benefits. Life in any form is our perpetual responsibility. ~S. Parkes Cadman

I lived for years in what is called the "bible belt" here is BC, and the attitude that animals are nothing(all animals) but a product to be used and given by God was the norm. It disgusted me and I am glad I do not live in that area any longer.

Someone said (I think it was Rachel) that these ideas were part of their upbringing. It is true and therefore next to impossible to change unless it starts with the children.

Ok back to housework

it's ingrained in a lot of farmers this attitude about animals as well,

personally i was always taught that certain animals (deer, turkey, cattle, ext) were put here on earth for our use as food and nourishment and clothing, but we were taught the humane way of taking that life and that we were thankful to God for giving us the food and you didn't treat the animal with disrespect by shooting it too many times, just one clean shot in the proper place and you made darn sure that you took the life on the first shot or don't shot at it. it was the way i was raised and my father is a taxidermist, which some are really not okay with, but you just have to understand that it was how i was brought up.

now with dogs and cats that's an entirely different story, yes we view them first as dogs not as people, but they are pets as well and sort of members of the family, they are not to be treated badly or harmed in any way and animal abuse in any form in not tolerated.

[Ladymom]

Rachel, you seem to be suggesting that somehow Amish puppy mills are worse than Missouri puppy mills.

As the Humane Society officer says, if you buy a puppy from a pet store or a newspaper ad in Missouri, this is where he most likely came from:

YouTube - Humane Society of Missouri Rescued More...

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Rachel, you seem to be suggesting that somehow Amish puppy mills are worse than Missouri puppy mills.

As the Humane Society officer says, if you buy a puppy from a pet store or a newspaper ad in Missouri, this is where he most likely came from:

Thanks for posting that! I was hoping she woudl click on the link that was given a page or two back but having the youtube right in the post makes it more likely that everyone will really look at it. I knew puppymills were a bad thing but I never had a clue HOW BAD until I saw some of the videos here on Yorkietalk. Then I really had my eyes opened to the horror these poor dos go through their whole lives. No one sees this, they see a cleaned up puppy that looks cute. They find it easy to think, the breeder must be a good person, look how cute this puppy is! You can't know unless you really research the breeder and see where the parents and puppy live. The worst ones will still sound nice over the phone -- the first Step of the Sale is to Establish Rapport.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Thanks for posting that! I was hoping she woudl click on the link that was given a page or two back but having the youtube right in the post makes it more likely that everyone will really look at it. I knew puppymills were a bad thing but I never had a clue HOW BAD until I saw some of the videos here on Yorkietalk. Then I really had my eyes opened to the horror these poor dos go through their whole lives. No one sees this, they see a cleaned up puppy that looks cute. They find it easy to think, the breeder must be a good person, look how cute this puppy is! You can't know unless you really research the breeder and see where the parents and puppy live. The worst ones will still sound nice over the phone -- the first Step of the Sale is to Establish Rapport.

Absolutely! If they didn't sound nice and honest, they couldn't stay in business.

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Thanks for posting that! I was hoping she woudl click on the link that was given a page or two back but having the youtube right in the post makes it more likely that everyone will really look at it. I knew puppymills were a bad thing but I never had a clue HOW BAD until I saw some of the videos here on Yorkietalk. Then I really had my eyes opened to the horror these poor dos go through their whole lives. No one sees this, they see a cleaned up puppy that looks cute. They find it easy to think, the breeder must be a good person, look how cute this puppy is! You can't know unless you really research the breeder and see where the parents and puppy live. The worst ones will still sound nice over the phone -- the first Step of the Sale is to Establish Rapport.

She saw it and posted about it.

If more people only knew how common this is. Many clean a few up and send to a broker who has a buyer. Many include shipping costs in the price so no one comes near. Hollybelles Maltese had ads in dog magazines for years offering Maltese with a 5 yr. grarantee @ $1200 and when they finally got into her house there were 250 some dead or almost dead dogs there. Members wonder why we ask you to go to the breeder and look at the conditions they live in and ask questions. We will help you to alert you to things we might see as problems but seeing with your own eyes is best.

[Princessangela3]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Rachel, you seem to be suggesting that somehow Amish puppy mills are worse than Missouri puppy mills.

As the Humane Society officer says, if you buy a puppy from a pet store or a newspaper ad in Missouri, this is where he most likely came from:

YouTube - Humane Society of Missouri Rescued More Than 90 Yorkies from Substandard Puppy Mill

ABSOLUTELY FREAKING AWFUL!!!!! Those poors dogs!

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

She saw it and posted about it.

If more people only knew how common this is. Many clean a few up and send to a broker who has a buyer. Many include shipping costs in the price so no one comes near. Hollybelles Maltese had ads in dog magazines for years offering Maltese with a 5 yr. grarantee @ $1200 and when they finally got into her house there were 250 some dead or almost dead dogs there. Members wonder why we ask you to go to the breeder and look at the conditions they live in and ask questions. We will help you to alert you to things we might see as problems but seeing with your own eyes is best.

Another huge red flag is breeders who offer to meet you somewhere rather than having you come to their house.

They are called the "exit kings and queens" and will give you the most plausible reasons for meeting you on the highway. I've heard family visiting, remodeling, will be in the area anyway, etc.

Bottom line is they don't want you to see where your puppy came from.