Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2782041)

Rachel -- You asked why dogs that meet the standard cannot just be registered as AKC? I would like to answer that. You can even take a mixed breeding and get some puppies that look like pure-bred dogs. They may even mature into dogs that meet the standard. But their DNA still contains parts from both of its parents! Some of the registries will take a picture of that dog and register it. Now, an unsuspecting newbie to breeding that just wants to breed for warm fuzzy puppies, breeds that dog with another "purebred" -- say that "purebred" was the product of a similar mating. Suddenly the puppies just do not look right. Some may be really off but some may look similar to a purebred pup. More unsuspecting customers buy these puppies and they start to mature looking NOTHING like the standard, nothing like the customer had in mind......Now, maybe they needed a small dog for the space they had, maybe they had another small dog that needed a like playmate, maybe they had a lease that only allowed small dogs and suddenly they had a 15 pounder! (I use this only as an example, it could be turned around for someone wanting a large dog and it winding up being too tiny too). The same sort of breeder that does this usually does not care about temperment either, so these puppies may wind up being aggressive, furtive, not easily trained or socialized. Now multiply this by all of the people breeding like this. How long do you suppose we could keep a yorkie looking like a yorkie? How long do you think we could keep all of the wonderful characteristics that were painstakingly bred into the Yorkie over many, many years?

When you speak of breeding, you have to look beyond how it affected the one puppy you are looking at. How is it affecting the future of the breed? Also keep in mind that many genetic problems do not surface for a year, two or longer. Just because someone is fortunate to bring home a healthy puppy at a few weeks of age, does not mean they will not find problems over the long haul.

You also said that the puppies in pounds and shelters are not purebreds. I think many have told you that is not true. Many of the purebreds are picked up by their breed Rescue organizations before you might see them in the pound. There are several Yorkie Rescues represented by member here on YT. They can tell you that there are never enough to take care of all of the Yorkies turned in for one reason or another. Many of the Yorkie mixes are the result of exactly what you were asking before. Why not register all those that look like Yorkies as AKC -- because many will have puppies looking like those mixes you see in the pound.

Then you go on to say it is dog owners not dog breeders fault for the dogs in pounds and shelters. Ask how many of those dogs are there because they did not turn out the way they were advertised. Supposed "Purebred" puppies with dubious registries not looking like they should, having temperment problems, health problems, genetic features the owners did not want. Should the breeders not share in that blame? I think so -- a customer has the right to believe their Yorkie will grow up to look like a Yorkie and be healthy.

Not all AKC bred dogs will be perfect either and some of them may find their way to a rescue. The registry is only one aspect of what to look for when researching for a well-bred pet. But at least AKC provides for rules, regulations, inspections, follow up and not only that -- a portion of your money goes for public information, animal rights lobbying, etc....

BTW you also said: "i'm sure with AKC the kennel chooses the full length name bases on the lineage of the dog." and that is not true -- AKC allows the new owner to pick the name of the puppy as well. It is tradition to include the kennel's name but not required. Maybe it would be a good itdea to have an open mind more often than being so "sure" of things you are new to.

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22 (Post 2782044)

I'm probably not a favourite on here for some but I don't ever intend to be rude. I feel very strongly about the APRI and the poor dogs who are tortured into breeding just for the heck of it. I hope you don't take this the wrong way but I like to the time to speak about my girl ANY chance I get, not because I want to lecture or be mean, because my heart was broken over and over again about the place my baby came from! Being born in a cage, taken from her mom too soon, being scared all her life :( It breaks my heart to see dogs suffering. I don't support APRI, because they know what kind of places their dogs come from and they DONT CARE as long as they get money. I know you know this and I am not jumping on you personally, I just feel so passionte about these dogs. I saw the video of the puppymill Stormy came from and it hurts so much.

I also volunteered at our shelter and I saw LOTS of purebreds. Lots of old ones that people got rid of just because they felt like it. I would sit and cry each visit because I couldn't save them all. I would play with them, hold them and tell them how special they were because these dogs in these places are SO loving all they want is to be loved and they are SO grateful to get a home. Our boxer we got from a shelter 10+ hours away, which I find out now that province is well known for mills, she was brought to the shelter because she got too big and wasn't a cute puppy. She is the most loving dog ever, she was so grateful to have a home, she is 8 years old now and starting to get the effects of probably being a mill dog. I haven't bought a dog from a reputable breeder yet, I get re homs usually because I have a big heart for the under dogs.

Let me correct myself, my fiancee bought his dog from a good breeder for alot of money. But personally myself I love to give the dogs who need a home a new home. Maybe one day I can buy an expensive puppy but for me I get a good feeling helping an animal in need. I am sorry you feel attack, I feel attacked too sometimes but I know most have good intentions. You picked a lovely name for a lovely pup, but just love her and be grateful she is with you and away from where she was because it may of been clean, and he may of loved his dogs but his breeding is NOT good.

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 2782035)

see my other post!! yes i did look, and i found what you found, a bunch of older dogs, mostly male, weird colors, health issues, bad habits to retrain, and not close enough to me.

i'm not trying to sound mean or anything, but i really did want my first puppy to be a puppy, and to have been influence by me personally and not some other owner. i didn't want to deal with a history of trauma or health issues and i knew i wanted a female that i could name myself not an adult i'd have to rename.

i got exactly what i wanted and regret nothing about it.

Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2782057)

You contradicted yourself.

This is what you said at first:

if there are so dog gone many pure yorkies in shelters then home come on my search for a shelter yorkie i never ONCE found one of them in my area???? HMMMMMMMM

Then when we called your bluff and showed you all the Yorkies up for adoption in your area, you changed your story.

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 2782063)

no i didn't contradict my story. i didn't find a pure bred yorkie in my area...not close enough...those are in Cole Camp and Kansas, there were no pure bred yorkies that i could find in good health without huge mental problems and a female in Liberty, MO Kansas City, MO or surrounding areas within 30 minutes... and if there were i DID NOT find them...not finding them before getting Sadie doesn't make my story change one bit...just because you found some around MO and in KS doesn't mean i was lying when i said i never found them in my area...i didn't and by my area i meant within 30 minutes...if they are here I DID NOT FIND THEM

not to mention that like i said i wanted a baby, a famale, and a purebred yorkie, no found here.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2782068)

All you need to do is put your ZIP CODE into the search box and they come up in your area! :rolleyes: You live in the PUPPYMILL capital of the U S A. There are yorkies all the time being dumped at the shelters in your state!

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 2782063)

no i didn't contradict my story. i didn't find a pure bred yorkie in my area...not close enough...those are in Cole Camp and Kansas, there were no pure bred yorkies that i could find in good health without huge mental problems and a female in Liberty, MO Kansas City, MO or surrounding areas within 30 minutes... and if there were i DID NOT find them...not finding them before getting Sadie doesn't make my story change one bit...just because you found some around MO and in KS doesn't mean i was lying when i said i never found them in my area...i didn't and by my area i meant within 30 minutes...if they are here I DID NOT FIND THEM

not to mention that like i said i wanted a baby, a famale, and a purebred yorkie, no found here.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2782078)

You also live in Liberty, the same town where one of the best breeders around lives; Starbarks Yorkshire Terriers.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2782078)

You also live in Liberty, the same town where one of the best breeders around lives; Starbarks Yorkshire Terriers.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2782101)

Now that is a very interesting piece of information that I have learned today! :) Filing into memory bank for future use :)

*See how that works, information absorbed and taken without argument :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2782098)

Blumoon Yorkies is also very close in Kansas City, Missouri.

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 2782106)

i wasn't going to post back at all but it's comments like this that get me so fuming mad that i just want to say something really really mean and uncalled for that would get me banned from this site.

how dare you to be so outright rude and horrible.....

(see how that works, information absorbed and taken without argument)

How about next time you learn to take information and absorb it without a making a snide nasty poke at others hmm?