Calling all Detectives lol

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by chandracz

I have to agree that this is being blown up... She said that she was just looking for information and that when she arrived at home Stormy had already gone to the rainbow bridge. She wished she had that test done, but wasn't thinking clearly so her mom burried her.

Let's all try to play nice

I think people are being very nice just want answers. If you come on here and ask a question be prepared to Answer our questions.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by chandracz

I have to agree that this is being blown up... She said that she was just looking for information and that when she arrived at home Stormy had already gone to the rainbow bridge. She wished she had that test done, but wasn't thinking clearly so her mom burried her.

Let's all try to play nice

i think this did get blown a little out of proportion, i did apologize for my post in case you didn't see the edit...i realized right after i hit send that you had posted that you are not looking to sue or take any action...

i didn't think you were going to either, i just wanted to advice you to steer away from that in case you happened to have your mind wonder there.

i know that with a loss be it person or dog, that there is a grieving process to it all i've listed the steps below and you are only following a natural part of the process...we're here to support you, I will only be here for help and support from now on, i'm sorry i upset you further.

Here is the grief model called "The 7 Stages of Grief":


7 Stages of Grief...

1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.

You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.

During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.

7 Stages of Grief...

5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.

6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.

7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

7 stages of grief...

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

I think people are being very nice just want answers. If you come on here and ask a question be prepared to Answer our questions.

I wasn't asking to be questioned, I asked a question, if you have your own PM me and I will gladly answer. Otherwise keep it on topic which was anyone who can play detective and scrap up some info for me to read about the puppymill. That's all I asked

[chandracz]

LOL it wasn't meant as a literal statement! It was just to "cool the air a little".

Originally Posted by manolos mom

I think people are being very nice just want answers. If you come on here and ask a question be prepared to Answer our questions.

[chandracz]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i think this did get blown a little out of proportion, i did apologize for my post in case you didn't see the edit...i realized right after i hit send that you had posted that you are not looking to sue or take any action...

i didn't think you were going to either, i just wanted to advice you to steer away from that in case you happened to have your mind wonder there.

i know that with a loss be it person or dog, that there is a grieving process to it all i've listed the steps below and you are only following a natural part of the process...we're here to support you, I will only be here for help and support from now on, i'm sorry i upset you further.

Here is the grief model called "The 7 Stages of Grief":


7 Stages of Grief...

1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.

You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.

During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.

7 Stages of Grief...

5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.

6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.

7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

7 stages of grief...

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

I am not that great with searching online for info and I know we have some people who are good at finding info out about breeders and such. Well tonight I can't get my baby Stormy out of my head! For some reason I just want to see if there is anything out there that I can read about where my baby came from. The breeders name was Mariam Zimmerman, I know they had to be puppymillers, she told me they sold to pet stores and were regularely inspected. I wish I knew all this before I got my baby but I didn't know nothing since she was a rehome. I want to see if there is anything bad out there about them, other people who have dealt with them, anything. I know they live in Versailles Missouri and they are menoites. She said they bred a few different breeds, I know shihtzus and yorkies for sure. I miss her so much! I just can't forget her or get her out of my head. I am beating myself up right now wishing I would of went ahead and had her body examined after she passed.

I am a google wiz!! I will try to find some info for you!! Don't beat yourself up! You never know you might have had her examined and then for some reason didn't want to know..Try to hang in there..I know how upset and frustrated you must be!! I am sorry for that Hang in there it will get better.. xoxo

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i think this did get blown a little out of proportion, i did apologize for my post in case you didn't see the edit...i realized right after i hit send that you had posted that you are not looking to sue or take any action...

i didn't think you were going to either, i just wanted to advice you to steer away from that in case you happened to have your mind wonder there.

i know that with a loss be it person or dog, that there is a grieving process to it all i've listed the steps below and you are only following a natural part of the process...we're here to support you, I will only be here for help and support from now on, i'm sorry i upset you further.

Here is the grief model called "The 7 Stages of Grief":


7 Stages of Grief...

1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.

You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.

During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.

7 Stages of Grief...

5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.

6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.

7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

7 stages of grief...

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

Thanks so much for that I think I was just trying to "reflect" a bit. I feel I am a bit stuck on number 4 with the lonliness. I don't really talk to anybody about her death, because I feel I get judged like " your STILL not over it ". I come here to grieve and talk to people who understand the love you have for your dog.

[chandracz]

Uh oh! You just spilled the beans... next time I need help, i'm coming to you with it!!! LOL j/k

Originally Posted by lovespandp

I am a google wiz!! I will try to find some info for you!! Don't beat yourself up! You never know you might have had her examined and then for some reason didn't want to know..Try to hang in there..I know how upset and frustrated you must be!! I am sorry for that Hang in there it will get better.. xoxo

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

I am a google wiz!! I will try to find some info for you!! Don't beat yourself up! You never know you might have had her examined and then for some reason didn't want to know..Try to hang in there..I know how upset and frustrated you must be!! I am sorry for that Hang in there it will get better.. xoxo

Thanks this is very nice of you. I don't know how easy it will be to find anything on them since I know they deal with brokers and don't use the internet. They are definitely big commerical millers, It's sick I know when I called the lady she had already gotten rid of her parents, she was only 1.5 years old and they already didn't have the parents, she had to look through her "files" to figure out which pup she was

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by chandracz

Uh oh! You just spilled the beans... next time I need help, i'm coming to you with it!!! LOL j/k

HEHE No problem!! I love to google! I google everything and I am such a nut if I am looking for something and I can't find it I wont stop until I find it!!

[RachelandSadie]

Thanks so much for that I think I was just trying to "reflect" a bit. I feel I am a bit stuck on number 4 with the lonliness. I don't really talk to anybody about her death, because I feel I get judged like " your STILL not over it ". I come here to grieve and talk to people who understand the love you have for your dog

Honey i totally understand your pain, i'm finally in stage 7 where i have a future hope in Sadie that her life will bring me joy that my other puppy i had for 14 years did. we lost our golden retriever to old age and i'm still finding times that i choke up and cry over her...i can't stand all the changes to my parent's yard and having people's chairs sitting on the concrete pad that used to be her kennel...it hurts me!! dad took down the fencing and has since redone all the sidewalk area from the house to the kennel area to make it all one big concrete porch like thing, i haven't seen it yet, but Sunday i'm going up there and my DH will be helping make rock garden areas along the new slab...i think dad did that to disguise the fact that there was a kennel slab there and now it's a porch area...it's going to kill me i just know it...but i'll have DH, mom and dad, sissy and her b/f and Sadie to distract me, but i might still shed a few tears when we pull into the drive...the first time i came home when Ruger died i ran up to my room to cry, i can't handle her being gone.....i miss her so much and loved her like family...it's been so hard. my mom had no idea that telling me dad had to put her down would hurt me so much but it has....

but i'm getting there now, and i can be stronger with my own puppy...the best thing ever happened with Sadie too...Ruger always lay down and crossed her paws right over left...dad always loved that about her...Sadie lay down one day to relax and it just so happened...right over left!!!! smiles, see things make you miss them but someday you'll be smiling when you do....

Much love and hugs coming at you

[bchgirl]

Her name address and phone number are readily available on google and she's a USDA licensed breeder.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...rt_holders.txt

[bchgirl]

And here ya go....

YouTube - Puppy Mill USDA 43-A-4030 MO Rocky...

That is her exact kennel. Same name, same USDA license number.

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Honey i totally understand your pain, i'm finally in stage 7 where i have a future hope in Sadie that her life will bring me joy that my other puppy i had for 14 years did. we lost our golden retriever to old age and i'm still finding times that i choke up and cry over her...i can't stand all the changes to my parent's yard and having people's chairs sitting on the concrete pad that used to be her kennel...it hurts me!! dad took down the fencing and has since redone all the sidewalk area from the house to the kennel area to make it all one big concrete porch like thing, i haven't seen it yet, but Sunday i'm going up there and my DH will be helping make rock garden areas along the new slab...i think dad did that to disguise the fact that there was a kennel slab there and now it's a porch area...it's going to kill me i just know it...but i'll have DH, mom and dad, sissy and her b/f and Sadie to distract me, but i might still shed a few tears when we pull into the drive...the first time i came home when Ruger died i ran up to my room to cry, i can't handle her being gone.....i miss her so much and loved her like family...it's been so hard. my mom had no idea that telling me dad had to put her down would hurt me so much but it has....

but i'm getting there now, and i can be stronger with my own puppy...the best thing ever happened with Sadie too...Ruger always lay down and crossed her paws right over left...dad always loved that about her...Sadie lay down one day to relax and it just so happened...right over left!!!! smiles, see things make you miss them but someday you'll be smiling when you do....

Much love and hugs coming at you

Thanks. I have a Boxer at my moms house, she was my Christmas present about 7 years ago, my mom would never let me take her when I moved out because she has become so attached to my mom that she would whine and cry if she wasn't with my mom so she stays with her of course. She's getting older and shes a bit overweight and starting to have her hip bug her. It is so sad, I don't know what I will do when her time comes

I just went through so much in the last 8 months or so with my baby, I just thought things were starting to look up for her and then she passed I almost feel like she was hiding everything just to be happy and home, when she was at the vets for those few weeks she was always so depressed in her cage and the vet said she would not bond with anyone. She went CRAZY when I came to pick her up she was whinning so bad and jumping all over the car. That day she was a totally different dog, it was like thank you for taking me home I promise I'll be the best dog ever. She used to get days where she would lay and be mopy and I could never figure out what was wrong with her. I didn't come on here with every single problem I had because I am sure people were sick of me posting. But really it was one thing after another. At least though those last three months she was good and had the best darn months she ever had I bet.

Those are a few of my fav pictures of her

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

My point is that most dogs come from poor breeders. Unless you activity set out to find a great breeder, you will probably buy your dog from a poor breeder. Good breeders, are very careful with dog placement, and they won't sell to just anyone, and this is one way to tell if the breeder you have chosen is a good one, but some breeders just "pretend" to be picky.

The AKC estimates that only 8% of their registrations come from pet store/puppy mill puppies. The rest are from backyard breeders and responsible breeders. If you add that 92% to all the "alternative" registries out there that are favorites of puppy mills and BYB's, you can see that most puppies come from poor breeders as Nancy says.

A responsible Yorkie breeder follows the YTCA Code of Conduct. If your breeder sold you a puppy with full registration and without a spay/neuter agreement, or before 12 weeks of age, or without thoroughly screening you beforehand, you did not deal with a responsible breeder.

5) Prospective buyers will be screened as thoroughly as possible to determine their
intent, as well as their ability and interest in providing a safe, adequate, loving
environment and a long term relationship with a puppy or adult dog.

7) Purchasers will be required to neuter/spay all puppies sold as pets. If specified in
the written sales contract, the seller will promptly release limited registration forms
upon receipt of a veterinarian’s certification of such spaying or neutering.
.

8) All puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve (12) weeks
of age to facilitate adequate socialization as well as appropriate emotional and
temperament development through interaction with siblings, dam and other dogs.