How Come No One Told Me?

[JoshieBoy]

Originally Posted by JoshieBoy

Hi! I just read your first post on this thread today. I can tell that you do not hate your dog, but you were just frustrated and do not know how to train your dog. I skimmed some of the posts, and I read some good suggestions about how to get the dog use to his kennel and using a playpen that allows the dog to move and play. I would like to offer some suggestions based on my experience with training my dog. During the day, I would use a leash or playpen to train Josh. I tried to use the kennel only when my dog was sleeping or when I leave the house. I wanted my dog to feel a part of the pack. I would leash him to an object that he could not move or place him in his playpen with some toys and washable pad in the same room I was hanging out in my house. I would talk to him or play with him now and then while cleaning up or watching TV. I put Josh on a schedule when I was potty training him. Ten minutes after he ate or played, I would put him on his pad to go potty. After he went potty, I gave him a treat and cheered for him. He still loves me to cheer for him after he goes potty, which I think is cute. I made sure I set a particular time for him to play outside his playpen every day. I would watch him play and play with him. Many bad behavior problems go away when the dog is tired and met his exercise requirement for the day. A tired dog is a happy dog, which will help him sleep wonderfully in his kennel. I am sure with all of these great suggestions and puppy training classes at Petco you will have a loving, happy, loyal, and obedient dog. Have a nice day, and welcome to Yorkie Talk.

I only use the kennel for potty training purposes when my dogs were puppies. Once my dogs learn the house rules, they could freely roam the house. My dogs love me, and they follow me all around the house. Kennels are not bad when they are used correctly.

[rebeccag]

I feel like I missed something along the way. Did I? The OP has stated she does not crate him all the time. For example: going to get mail (once a day maybe 10 minutes), ironing (once a day for 10 minutes or once a week for an hour), and making dinner (1/2 hour). That's less than an hour a day because he goes in the bathroom at night. I think she posted about the problems she was having during the day and not that it was all day just the problems in the day.

I'm going to try and further explain where on earth I am coming from. If I'm in high school and having a problem in a math class and I ask for help. I will tell you the problem that I'm having in the math class. Let's just say, I'm failing. High school kids have 5 or more classes in a day, right? Because I'm failing math does that mean I'm a horrible student? No. Does it mean I don't care about math? No. Does it mean I should get rid of the math class (lol)? No. It means I need help in math. I may very well be getting great grades in the other classes but for whatever reason I'm doing poorly in math. So, I go to get help from a tutor for math. It should be a good thing. Shows I care and want to do better. Anyone following me....Please say yes........Okay, let me go a little further. Victoria, on Animal Planet, many of us watch her. Right? She comes into many situations that aren't the best. I'll use the guy with two rescue dogs, one was a Pit mix, both dogs ruined his apartment every time he stepped out. He worked with rescues for free and did care a great deal about them but he broke down and cried because he couldn't take it anymore and was thinking about getting rid of them. Because he didn't care? No. He cried his eyes out on National TV. He cared a great deal. He works with rescues. He cares. Is he a stinky rescue rescuer? No. He needed help. Victoria comes into many loving homes to help those having problems and I feel as though they care a great deal but don't know what to do. That's why she helps them. People do the strangest things on that show because they clearly do not know what they are doing...lol!


Hopefully, I didn't just entertain myself....again...lol!

[rebeccag]

Originally Posted by JoshieBoy

I only use the kennel for potty training purposes when my dogs were puppies. Once my dogs learn the house rules, they could freely roam the house. My dogs love me, and they follow me all around the house. Kennels are not bad when they are used correctly.

:thum bup:

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

I feel like I missed something along the way. Did I? The OP has stated she does not crate him all the time. For example: going to get mail (once a day maybe 10 minutes), ironing (once a day for 10 minutes or once a week for an hour), and making dinner (1/2 hour). That's less than an hour a day because he goes in the bathroom at night. I think she posted about the problems she was having during the day and not that it was all day just the problems in the day.

I'm going to try and further explain where on earth I am coming from. If I'm in high school and having a problem in a math class and I ask for help. I will tell you the problem that I'm having in the math class. Let's just say, I'm failing. High school kids have 5 or more classes in a day, right? Because I'm failing math does that mean I'm a horrible student? No. Does it mean I don't care about math? No. Does it mean I should get rid of the math class (lol)? No. It means I need help in math. I may very well be getting great grades in the other classes but for whatever reason I'm doing poorly in math. So, I go to get help from a tutor for math. It should be a good thing. Shows I care and want to do better. Anyone following me....Please say yes........Okay, let me go a little further. Victoria, on Animal Planet, many of us watch her. Right? She comes into many situations that aren't the best. I'll use the guy with two rescue dogs, one was a Pit mix, both dogs ruined his apartment every time he stepped out. He worked with rescues for free and did care a great deal about them but he broke down and cried because he couldn't take it anymore and was thinking about getting rid of them. Because he didn't care? No. He cried his eyes out on National TV. He cared a great deal. He works with rescues. He cares. Is he a stinky rescue rescuer? No. He needed help. Victoria comes into many loving homes to help those having problems and I feel as though they care a great deal but don't know what to do. That's why she helps them. People do the strangest things on that show because they clearly do not know what they are doing...lol!


Hopefully, I didn't just entertain myself....again...lol!

Yes Yes This is a wonderful post. You explained just how I was feeling .

[rebeccag]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

Yes Yes This is a wonderful post. You explained just how I was feeling .

Thank you for saying that

[chandracz]

You have to WORK with him and possibly bring in a trainer... I've gone through a couple different trainers, but I would never give up on my baby...

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

I don't think you can "ruin" the WHOLE breed by babying your yorkie! How the heck would that play into genes? EACH dog is DIFFERENT. It sounds like you didn't do enough research before you went searching for a baby. But even with all the knowledge you could of gained you still couldn't be prepared 100% because each dog has a different personality. Yorkies are toy dogs, they require much more attention and human contact then a bigger dog. You can't expect him to keep himself busy, I am not sure how old he is but he sounds like a baby still and he needs more mental stimulation.

It sounds like you don't spend enough time with him if you have him caged up so often. These are the kinds of dogs who love to be on their owners lap getting some love and giving you kisses, it sounds like this poor baby is not receiving enough attention and love therefore he is seeking negative attention by giving off negative behaviour. I have a cage for my girl and she only goes in there occasionally, just because your cooking shouldn't mean you have to lock him up, if you can gate off an area of your house for him he may feel more comfortable, some people get playpens to put them in, it sounds like he needs to be let out of his cage more. If you can't give him all the attention he needs you should place him in a new home, how would you like to be locked up most of your days?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

I feel like I missed something along the way. Did I? The OP has stated she does not crate him all the time. For example: going to get mail (once a day maybe 10 minutes), ironing (once a day for 10 minutes or once a week for an hour), and making dinner (1/2 hour). That's less than an hour a day because he goes in the bathroom at night. I think she posted about the problems she was having during the day and not that it was all day just the problems in the day.

I'm going to try and further explain where on earth I am coming from. If I'm in high school and having a problem in a math class and I ask for help. I will tell you the problem that I'm having in the math class. Let's just say, I'm failing. High school kids have 5 or more classes in a day, right? Because I'm failing math does that mean I'm a horrible student? No. Does it mean I don't care about math? No. Does it mean I should get rid of the math class (lol)? No. It means I need help in math. I may very well be getting great grades in the other classes but for whatever reason I'm doing poorly in math. So, I go to get help from a tutor for math. It should be a good thing. Shows I care and want to do better. Anyone following me....Please say yes........Okay, let me go a little further. Victoria, on Animal Planet, many of us watch her. Right? She comes into many situations that aren't the best. I'll use the guy with two rescue dogs, one was a Pit mix, both dogs ruined his apartment every time he stepped out. He worked with rescues for free and did care a great deal about them but he broke down and cried because he couldn't take it anymore and was thinking about getting rid of them. Because he didn't care? No. He cried his eyes out on National TV. He cared a great deal. He works with rescues. He cares. Is he a stinky rescue rescuer? No. He needed help. Victoria comes into many loving homes to help those having problems and I feel as though they care a great deal but don't know what to do. That's why she helps them. People do the strangest things on that show because they clearly do not know what they are doing...lol!


Hopefully, I didn't just entertain myself....again...lol!

good post! I wish the OP would see it but since she said shes done with the site I doubt she does

[rebeccag]

Originally Posted by chachi

good post! I wish the OP would see it but since she said shes done with the site I doubt she does

Thanks. I get email notifications on the threads I post on. She may still be reading them. I hope

[chachi]

I hope so too!!!

[sugarmamma]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

Thanks. I get email notifications on the threads I post on. She may still be reading them. I hope

As long as the "too quick to judge" crew didn't scare her away...... who knows if this is legit or not but we are here to HELP

[MaxwellHouse]

Originally Posted by Yorkie118

Just to let everyone know. I think my thread was taking the wrong way. I don't leave the dog in the cage ALL the time. If I live out of the room I DO take him with me unless I am going in the kitchen or going to check the mail. Like I stated, I live on a very busy street. I don't even let me kids come with me for that very reason. There have been some really nice response, ALOT of not so nice response. Thanks for them both. I've learned a lot. I'm going to take the positive responses and apply them and leave the negative ones where they are. I never thought people could be so curel. I have people telling me that I have a make believe dog and all this other crazy stuff. This is just too much. I thought this was a good group but I see that it's not. The puppy IS NOT crying because he is in the cage too long. He's crying because he DOES NOT like to be alone. That's the problem. Maybe I didn't express that correctly. I had always thought that people who loved animals were really nice people. I'm seeing that those very people who love animals can be really curel to people. It puzzles me because I can't see how those very people who have been so impatient, so insenstive, and so uncompassionant can be all those things to their dogs. If you can't show all these things to your fellow human how can you show these things to your beloved yorkie. I am SO DONE with the site. For all the positive response THANKS and I hope ALL goes well with you and also your pets. And for ALL the negative response I wish you all well also.

We hope you come back, you could learn alot to help your Yorkie. People were just worried for the puppy, that's all.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Yorkie118

I would love to say that these have been some of the best months for me, but sadly I can't say that at all. I have had so many issues I'm starting to think that I made a mistake in buying him. ...My first problem was him crying everytime he was alone, trying to eat his way out of his cage. .... I contacted the breeder and she said that he had NEVER been caged. GREAT. I wish I had known that before. ... He is in the cage when ever I couldn't keep a constant eye on him. Like when I am cooking, going to check the mail, things like that. ... Now he still cries like crazy when we leave him and he has started to show some signs of aggression. When I am ironing I put him in the cage so he doesn't get caught in the cord or anything. When we look at him he starts growling at us or barking... ...He has said that if it doesn't hurry up and get better I have to get rid of him. ... We can't take him with us everywhere. We can't even take him out of town with us. No one will let him into a hotel. So we have been trapped at home this summer. Not able to go anywhere. ... No one told me that this dog was going to take over my whole life. ... He is so stubborn. He just kind of does what he wants. ... I'm starting to think that people have destroyed the breed. We baby them so much they don't know how to be dogs. ...I love animals, but I can not have an animal control my house.... I think that some breeders as so in love with the money that they can make off of these dogs that they don't care about the breed or about the life that they are going to have to live once they are brought. They are not breeding for temperament... I have two other dogs that are perfect. But this one has me at a lost for words. It has been hard to connect with him. ...

Originally Posted by rebeccag

I feel like I missed something along the way. Did I? The OP has stated she does not crate him all the time. For example: going to get mail (once a day maybe 10 minutes), ironing (once a day for 10 minutes or once a week for an hour), and making dinner (1/2 hour). That's less than an hour a day because he goes in the bathroom at night. ...

Rebecca, (I love how you try to be the peacemaker) but....I don't think the dog is only in a crate for less than an hour a day in 10 minute increments. That is just not the impression that was made. Dogs rarely try to chew their way out of a crate they are only in for 10 minutes at a time. I think she gave ironing, cooking, mail events as examples and not the only time the dog is crated. She did say. " He is in the cage when ever I couldn't keep a constant eye on him. " and goes on to say, "Like when I am cooking, going to check the mail, things like that. "

But that is really not the root of the problem I was seeing anyway. As I posted to her (not sure if she read it or not) I think the real problem is her attitude towards the dog. I have quoted excerpts from her original post above -- she is basically saying she does not like the dog, feels she made a mistake buying him, feels trapped, has not bonded or connected, and wants out of the situation. To post those feelings they must be pretty strong and I am sure they come out when interacting with the dog.

How many have only bought one toy for a dog they have had for 4-5 months? That was another "tell" for me. A blanket, a toy and a broken alarm clock -- that is what he has to amuse himself? She has two other dogs she feels are "perfect" -- but does not mention any interaction with this puppy. She has kids, but again, no mention of them playing with the puppy.

I hope she did read what I wrote. It was not meant to make her feel bad, but to get her to really take a look at how she was feeling and subsequently treating her puppy. I am not sure the situation can be helped at this point. She seems pretty resolute about her feelings towards this puppy. A puppy is not going to act "perfect" and it seems she will not be happy unless it does.

She also lashes out at breeders and owners in general saying they have spoiled the breed, not bred to temperment, only care about the money, etc... that did not set too well either. At no time did she take any responsibility for what was happening with the puppy. So, if people seem harsh towards her in your eyes, maybe it is because of all the things I mentioned above. It just will do her no good for us to say, "Yes, you are doing everything right." She asked for advice -- if most want to tell her that they feel she may be crating her puppy too much -- that is their take on the wording of her posts. Not saying she crates them 24/7. It is not being cruel. It is offered in good faith. Regardless of time in the crate, I do not get the impression the dog is getting the sort of hands-on, personal loving care and play that will help it to become a well-behaved member of the family. One of the last problems she mentions is that this little Yorkie puppy is getting aggressive with her and family members, growling and barking at them when they look at him in his crate. That tells me the situation has gotten very difficult for the puppy too. Sad situation.

[QuickSilver]

It's hard to know, because the OP hasn't replied with this kind of information, which would affect the type of advice she gets. If the dog is spending most of the day playing with the children and other dogs, walking, getting trained, etc, and then he freaks out about ten minutes in the crate, that's one thing. Still not the pup's "fault", but that would indicate either fear of the crate, or perhaps an emotional problem serious enough to require medication.

If the pup is spending 8+ hours a day in the crate and not getting the attention a dog needs, then clearly that needs to be rectified.

I looked at the OP's other threads, and I had replied to one because she said that this puppy was crying all the time, even when he was eating. She didn't reply to any of the suggestions / questions on that thread, or her earlier one.

Sometimes people's true feelings are not conveyed through their posts. In all three of her threads, she made a reference to giving him back, even when she'd had him for a week. Maybe she is very concerned about the puppy, but what I got from her posts was a lot of frustration and not much empathy. Again, I'm not saying I know everything about the OP's hopes, dreams, and fears based on a couple paragraphs of text.

It's understandable that she would be really frustrated, but this puppy sounds really distressed, and ultimately I think we have to be advocates for the dogs.

To the OP: you've made a few references to Cesar. I don't agree with all of his training methods, but I imagine he's done a few eppy's on separation anxiety. What were you able to get from those? Do you feel that you project "calm, assertive energy" to the pup? What do you think Cesar would tell you if he came to your house?

[rebeccag]

She also lashes out at breeders and owners in general saying they have spoiled the breed, not bred to temperament, only care about the money, etc... that did not set too well either.

When I read her post, it seemed she was frustrated, venting and asking for help. Then she went into the last part about breeder's which I disregarded because I looked at it like she was just rambling due to the stress of the situation. Obviously, the generalization she made about breeders is inaccurate. I felt as though if she had thought about it she would realize that it didn't make much sense. I really took that comment as an emotional release. I can see why that would not set well with you but again I didn't take it seriously.

It just will do her no good for us to say, "Yes, you are doing everything right." She asked for advice --


I don't think telling her that she's doing everything right is the thing to do. There are issues that need to be addressed. I don't have a problem with people suggesting crating too much is wrong even though I don't necessarily think that's the problem in this situation. I heard some harsh assumptions that came out of left field. Not by you, Deb, but there were some comments made that I had to go back and reread the OP's beginning to try and understand how on earth they could say what they said...

One of the last problems she mentions is that this little Yorkie puppy is getting aggressive with her and family members, growling and barking at them when they look at him in his crate. That tells me the situation has gotten very difficult for the puppy too. Sad situation.[/QUOTE]
I agree. The situation needs to be rectified.

[JoshieBoy]

[QUOTE=rebeccag;2771808]She also lashes out at breeders and owners in general saying they have spoiled the breed, not bred to temperament, only care about the money, etc... that did not set too well either.

When I read her post, it seemed she was frustrated, venting and asking for help. Then she went into the last part about breeder's which I disregarded because I looked at it like she was just rambling due to the stress of the situation. Obviously, the generalization she made about breeders is inaccurate. I felt as though if she had thought about it she would realize that it didn't make much sense. I really took that comment as an emotional release. I can see why that would not set well with you but again I didn't take it seriously.


I felt the same way you did about the OP's first post. Sometimes, people say some strange or mean things when they are upset. I decided to overlook it and offer some suggestions to help the puppy. I saw the OP's anger towards the breeders and breed as displacement.