Michael Vick

[VickiG]

I believe like many others that he is not sorry for what he did, only sorry that he got caught. My daughters and I are big Cowboys fans and hate the Eagles. I have emailed the Cowboys with a good marketing idea ( dog t-shirts that read Dallas Cowboys - No dog killers here. I can't wait to run into a Eagle fan wearing vick's jersey, I told my daughter I was going to start barking. I have read so many articles of Eagle fans saying that dogs aren't equal to humans and to get over it. My animals are my family and if anyone would harm them they would pay dearly.

[twahlstrand]

I agree that a percentage of his pay should go to organizations for crualty of animals.. I feel he should have never played football again, yes he did do his time but why should he be able to go back to his job when there are others out there that do their time but they don't get their jobs back. So he sholudn't..............

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Krystee

How do you explain the torchering and killing of the animals who lost the fight? The ones who were hung from a tree? That's the part that sets me off. I might mostly agree with what you said if it were only in regards to the actual dog fighting.
The torchering wasn't part of the "business"... it was for the sick "thrill"

I can't wrap my mind around the torture -I totally agree with you. I said in my post it makes me sick ...even watching the documentary about his saved dogs (and dogs that couldn’t be saved) was really hard to watch....that anyone could do that is beyond me. But fighting animals goes back thru the ages of time ..... I still think that people who partake in ‘fighting’ rings don't see the suffering...or they wouldn't be there in the first place. They're of a different mindset than an average person. It’s a sick form of gambling.

I'm glad there are so many protests about him being signed...everyone should be upset that he is going to make millions again - but the awareness about dog fighting went National with his arrest.....maybe more 'rings' will get busted and it will be more than a misdemeanor when arrested for animal cruelty....... I know due to the money involved in Vicks ring is probably the only reason he did so much time, but still ...... people are paying attention.

[lgoodall]

It is illegal. Too many lawmakers just turn their heads. So does law enforcement in many cases. We do need to unite, and try to fight it.

Tucker's Mom

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm glad Michael Vick's position has allowed the news of dog fighting to become so well known. I don't think most of us have any idea how big of a sport it is. Laws in this country are being made and rejected because of these dog-fighting enthusiasts. Many communities can't pass neutering laws, mandatory microchip, or stray laws because the dog-fighting lobby is so large and powerful, and they send out much propaganda regarding these bills, and others. Dog fighting enthusiasts, do not want their dogs neutered, and they do not want their dogs microchipped; if a bloody mutilated animal, is linked back to them, they will be forced to answer too many questions. Many of their dogs are found as strays for this reason, and so they are fighting laws that say a stay must be neutered after being found three times, and they have convinced good breeders, that this is wrong, and so they have joined them in fighting these laws. I think it's time people understand how powerful these "sporting dog" organizations are and become aware of any legislation that they are against. They are only trying to serve their interests, not the typical breeders. Remember a neutered dog, is not a fighting dog. I hope Vick can turn this around, and help with the situation, he has been given a real opportunity to help these dogs, and let the people know what's really going on behind closed doors.
I also think it's important to teach children that athletes and other famous people should not be their role models on how to live their lives, unless the athlete or famous person is living a life that sets a good example.

Nicely said Nancy - I'm hoping for the same.

[tassibo]

Originally Posted by gypsyqueen

I despise all animal crueltyu but he went to jail and paid a fine he should be given a second chance the main reason people go back to jail is they cannot get a job and yes the law says you cant discrimanate but the truth is we do we have to give people the benifit of the doubt or keep building prisons. PS I dont like the man but he has the right to earn a living.

I agree with this. And what about the football player who was driving drunk and hit and killed a man?? He served next to no time...Mike Vick paid for his crime (and I do dispise what he did) however, we are commanded to forgive therefore, we can be forgiven. Where are our values????

[veguroev]

Michael Vick (VickOnEagles) on Twitter.
Don't know if someone already posted this, but here you go!

[cynsir]

Hey, I went to ESPN and there are three different items written about Michael Vick. I started reading some of the comments after each article and thought that some of you minght be interested in reading or posting. Click on this shortcut.

NFL Nation - ESPN

[lgoodall]

We're still in a friendly debate here ok ? I don't want anything I say to sound sarcastic. I don't mean for it to. Yes dog fighting has been around through the ages. I know you're familiar with the history of England, and another European countries. They put people on a rack, and stretched them until their bodies just broke apart. They also hung people, but gutted them before they died. We know of all the beheadings that took place. Most of the time they put the rotting heads on a stake along the Thames River. They also put dogs in a pit to fight lions. However, we're supposed to have come a long way since those barbaric times. Everyone alive today knows that cruelty to any living being is wrong. Yes' the player who got druck, and killed several should have spent a lifetime in prison. Believe me, I would never excuse or take up for a drunk driver. You know before you take the wheel of a car that terrible things can happen. However, the accident took place because of the excessive use of alcohol. This DOES NOt excuse the guy, but it was not a deliberate act of cruelty. His motivation was to drink, get high, and feel good. He didn't kill those people for the enjoyment of watching them suffer. It takes a person with a severe character flaw to condone suffering of animals. I mentioned before that Tony Dungee was mentoring Vick. There's no better person to use to try to bring about good in people. I still would never let Michael Vick baby sit my Tucker Baby. Tucker's Mom

[Krystee]

Originally Posted by lgoodall

We're still in a friendly debate here ok ? I don't want anything I say to sound sarcastic. I don't mean for it to. Yes dog fighting has been around through the ages. I know you're familiar with the history of England, and another European countries. They put people on a rack, and stretched them until their bodies just broke apart. They also hung people, but gutted them before they died. We know of all the beheadings that took place. Most of the time they put the rotting heads on a stake along the Thames River. They also put dogs in a pit to fight lions. However, we're supposed to have come a long way since those barbaric times. Everyone alive today knows that cruelty to any living being is wrong. Yes' the player who got druck, and killed several should have spent a lifetime in prison. Believe me, I would never excuse or take up for a drunk driver. You know before you take the wheel of a car that terrible things can happen. However, the accident took place because of the excessive use of alcohol. This DOES NOt excuse the guy, but it was not a deliberate act of cruelty. His motivation was to drink, get high, and feel good. He didn't kill those people for the enjoyment of watching them suffer. It takes a person with a severe character flaw to condone suffering of animals. I mentioned before that Tony Dungee was mentoring Vick. There's no better person to use to try to bring about good in people. I still would never let Michael Vick baby sit my Tucker Baby. Tucker's Mom

I completely agree with this. This is going to be my last post on this but I just had to comment because ironically drunk driving is another topic that I feel strongly about. I have mentioned in a couple other posts that a car I was in was hit by a drunk driver killing my best friend and breaking both of my femur bones costing me a month recovering in a hospital.
I can't believe I am going to say this but I think what Vick did is worse than what this 21 year kid did or what that other football player did. Why? for the same reason that lgoogall said. 99% of drunk drivers just make a horribly BAD decision but don't intend to hurt anyone (or anything). It's not like me to defend a drunk driver but when I picture someone stringing a dog up on a tree and watching it suffer and put that next to a college kid (or whoever) who drank too much and thought they could make it home without hurting anyone... to me, it's pretty easy to see who needs the most jail time. However, I agree that BOTH of these issues need to be taken more serious and the punishment needs to be more severe or people will continue to do them.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by lgoodall

We're still in a friendly debate here ok ? I don't want anything I say to sound sarcastic. I don't mean for it to. Yes dog fighting has been around through the ages. I know you're familiar with the history of England, and another European countries. They put people on a rack, and stretched them until their bodies just broke apart. They also hung people, but gutted them before they died. We know of all the beheadings that took place. Most of the time they put the rotting heads on a stake along the Thames River. They also put dogs in a pit to fight lions. However, we're supposed to have come a long way since those barbaric times. Everyone alive today knows that cruelty to any living being is wrong. Yes' the player who got druck, and killed several should have spent a lifetime in prison. Believe me, I would never excuse or take up for a drunk driver. You know before you take the wheel of a car that terrible things can happen. However, the accident took place because of the excessive use of alcohol. This DOES NOt excuse the guy, but it was not a deliberate act of cruelty. His motivation was to drink, get high, and feel good. He didn't kill those people for the enjoyment of watching them suffer. It takes a person with a severe character flaw to condone suffering of animals. I mentioned before that Tony Dungee was mentoring Vick. There's no better person to use to try to bring about good in people. I still would never let Michael Vick baby sit my Tucker Baby. Tucker's Mom

I think it's still a friendly debate, but I don't agree that it takes someone with a severe character flaw to condone the suffering of animals. I think we are forgetting, that in other cultures bull fighting, cock fighting, and dog fighting, are extremely popular. Are the people in those countries suffering from severe character flaws? I don't think so, but they haven't reached your level of awareness that this is wrong. Royalty use to watch gladiators fight to the death. Many people enjoy watching boxing matches, and the participants often have no more choice in the matter, than the dogs. Cage fighting is a new sport that thrills many people. I think there is something, in men particularly, that watching these sorts of things gives them a thrill that many of us can't understand. They aren't thinking of the animal suffering though, they are watching the fight. Even fox hunting sounds barbaric to me, but there is something about the hunt and kill that appeals to many people. So culture plays a huge part, but I do think men, in particular, have an almost inherent type of hunting/killing instinct. Many people say football is the same thing, and watching a game, fills this warrior need. Even though I believe it's cultural as well as almost wired into men, I think we can change their thinking, or awareness. However, I don't think many of us would be as persuasive at changing a macho man's thinking on how animal suffer during these fights. I think someone like Vicks could bring a new awareness into this, and could be extremely helpful in convincing others that this is indeed inhumane. We still condone the suffering of animals in so many forms, but I see us becoming more humane or at least aware over time, but part of being humane is forgiving and appreciating the fact that people can change. If I didn't believe people could change, I would be unforgiving too, but I have to believe people can change.

[Nancy1999]

I hope those of you who are against this terribly cruel sport will help support local laws that try to make it harder for these sporting events to occur. Here's a thread regarding Fort Worth's attempt to pass legislation requiring permits for unneutered dogs, and microchips. Sporting dogs alliances, are very powerful, and they try to scare responsible breeders with what this legislation will mean to them. Most of the time, it won't even affect responsible breeders in the least, but it will severely impact those who have fighting dogs. They don't want these dogs linked to them in any shape of form, so microchipping is a bad idea, and of course neutering would make these dogs worthless in the fighting ring. That's another reason I'm grateful to Vick, every time I wrote about dog fighting before, people acted like there was no such thing, or it was indeed a very small sport. Here's the thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...ml#post2758402

[lgoodall]

You're right about Michael Vick. In his dispicable way, he brought dog fighting into the minds and consciences of most of the US. It most definitely needed to be brought into the light. Many people are unaware of how prevalent it is. Bull fighting and other such cruel events take place in other countries where it is legal. There's a whole other mindset to the meaning of "macho" in those places. I''ll admit. There are some in the US too. I'm not ready to excuse Michael Vick, but in some twisted way, good may come from all of this. My last comment also.
Tucker's Mom

[lgoodall]

Actually, I was just diagnosed with a torn meniscus and cyst in my right knee. That's why I've been able to be on YT so much lately. I have to stay off my feet. It will require surgery. Anyone ready to wage war against the Dolphin Killers around the world.? I know it's not about dogs. But I hate the killing of Dolphins also. I've been around them a good bit. Just went swimming with them in the Gulf of Mexico. Don't you guys hope I get my knee fixed soon so I will quit blabbing? Not that I wasn't serious about the subject. Tucker's Mom

[tfalsetta]

Michael Vick should be taken out back & put down like a dog....there is a difference between a criminal that commits crimes like robing a bank, house, car etc & this guy....He is an animal himself....A person that has this in him to do what he did does not belong on the same earth as my family & yours.....