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Originally Posted by lgoodall We're still in a friendly debate here ok ? I don't want anything I say to sound sarcastic. I don't mean for it to. Yes dog fighting has been around through the ages. I know you're familiar with the history of England, and another European countries. They put people on a rack, and stretched them until their bodies just broke apart. They also hung people, but gutted them before they died. We know of all the beheadings that took place. Most of the time they put the rotting heads on a stake along the Thames River. They also put dogs in a pit to fight lions. However, we're supposed to have come a long way since those barbaric times. Everyone alive today knows that cruelty to any living being is wrong. Yes' the player who got druck, and killed several should have spent a lifetime in prison. Believe me, I would never excuse or take up for a drunk driver. You know before you take the wheel of a car that terrible things can happen. However, the accident took place because of the excessive use of alcohol. This DOES NOt excuse the guy, but it was not a deliberate act of cruelty. His motivation was to drink, get high, and feel good. He didn't kill those people for the enjoyment of watching them suffer. It takes a person with a severe character flaw to condone suffering of animals. I mentioned before that Tony Dungee was mentoring Vick. There's no better person to use to try to bring about good in people. I still would never let Michael Vick baby sit my Tucker Baby. Tucker's Mom |

I completely agree with this. This is going to be my last post on this but I just had to comment because ironically drunk driving is another topic that I feel strongly about. I have mentioned in a couple other posts that a car I was in was hit by a drunk driver killing my best friend and breaking both of my femur bones costing me a month recovering in a hospital.
I can't believe I am going to say this but I think what Vick did is worse than what this 21 year kid did or what that other football player did. Why? for the same reason that lgoogall said. 99% of drunk drivers just make a horribly BAD decision but don't intend to hurt anyone (or anything). It's not like me to defend a drunk driver but when I picture someone stringing a dog up on a tree and watching it suffer and put that next to a college kid (or whoever) who drank too much and thought they could make it home without hurting anyone... to me, it's pretty easy to see who needs the most jail time. However, I agree that BOTH of these issues need to be taken more serious and the punishment needs to be more severe or people will continue to do them.