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08-14-2009, 08:03 AM | #31 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: conway, ar
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| Good luck with the situation! I agree with the non-legal advice from the person trained in the legal field. I understand that the fact that the lady is a neighbor makes this ten times harder, even if you don't really know her. We Southerners like to be good neighbors! And if you're looking for good homes for these puppies, I'm just across the border in Arkansas. My husband just bought a Harley yesterday, so surely he'd agree to let me get another Yorkie...Molly needs a sister!! |
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08-14-2009, 08:40 AM | #32 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Land O' Lakes, FL
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| From a purely personal point of view, I don't think you owe her squat. Even considering a "verbal contract", she is in violation. No papers for the last two generations? She made fraudulent statements. If you had known, you would not have bred your dog to hers. Now, as far as CKC is concerned: for all intents and purposes, the papers are useless. Most people will neuter the animal: no papers required, because papers are only good for breeders. Show purposes? CKC shows are very limited, and you can't put your dog into AKCA shows. Both of my dogs are capable of being CKC registered. I registered my first dog, but he's neutered so it doesn't mean anything. My little girl would only get her CKC paperwork *after* she had been spayed, so what good does that do? I neutered her, but never even asked for the paperwork. I love my dogs, and I think they're PERFECT just the way they are. CKC doesn't mean a thing, except for a pretty piece of paper that you keep in a file somewhere. The reality is, AKCA means something, CKC doesn't. So if that's the only paperwork you were going to get, you haven't lost much. Love the pups for what they are - and make sure they all go to good homes, which, IMO, does NOT include hers, especially if she wants to haul a puppy off to school for youngsters to manhandle. Like I said, my own opinion. |
08-14-2009, 08:50 AM | #33 |
Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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| Here's my Yes, mistakes were made on both sides. Maybe the lady with the stud isn't doing this intentionally, but she did have a responsibility to get this paperwork done in a timely manner... not to mention, she should have had the grandsire/granddam's paperwork in order "prior" to studding this guy out. Personally, I'd tell her that due to the course of events that you would not feel comfortable giving her a puppy. You would, however, give her a "stud fee" out of the money you receive from "selling" one of the pups. I agree that she did not fulfill her obligation with the paperwork - and it doesn't matter whether they're AKC or CKC - you were told that you would get some and she still hasn't provided them. I think giving her a small stud fee is plenty. She couldn't have been too worried about actually getting the puppy if she hasn't even been over there to see them. So, ultimately, paying for what services were rendered is all I'd worry about. If she doesn't agree - oh well! I know you're worried about the moral issue and I agree with you that it would bother me too, but placing the puppies is your ultimate concern. Best Wishes!!! Oh, where are the pictures of those babies?
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08-14-2009, 09:03 AM | #34 |
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| If you have her phone number you can get her address by doing a reverse look up on line, if the number is not a restricted or unlisted number. If you go to MSN.com there's a link for white pages, just do address by phone number and you'll have her mailing address. Please, don't give her a puppy!! Carladean is willing to give a loving home to one for you After all her DH does owe her
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08-14-2009, 09:34 AM | #35 | |
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08-14-2009, 11:33 AM | #36 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Diamondhead,MS USA
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| hi, i'm not very good at this site yet but i do have a few pictures in my album under dmcclendon. my babies do mean alot to me. thanks for sharing your thoughts. |
08-14-2009, 03:04 PM | #37 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Alabama
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| i wouldnt buy or sale any unregistered dogs at all there are just way to many unwanted pets already maybe see if you could find homes for them or keep them? im confused?! why would anyone breed them seems like she was being super sneaky and i would feel you didnt owe her anything for being tricked myself i hope it works out for you though!!
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08-14-2009, 03:55 PM | #38 |
Donating YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Virginia
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| Your babies and baby / mommy Sadie are all so beautiful!!! I love the picture of the baby sleeping on your DH's shoulder. It's soooo precious! Congratulations!!!
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08-19-2009, 01:27 PM | #39 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Loxley,AL, USA
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| My opinion (like buttholes everybody has one) is this. She lied, oh well, if you don't keep your side of the bargain you are sinking to her level....having said that there is nothing legally binding you to her since you don't need anything from her to get the pups CKC reg...(at 6 mo send in there pics and wala they are CKC. which is why by the way I only buy AKC) If I were you though I would uphold my end of the deal and NEVER EVER do business with this person again for ANY reason. Hope all ends well!! |
08-20-2009, 10:44 PM | #40 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | The one thing about this situation bothers me a lot. First, yes, she did lie to you and she knew she was lying as she did it. And she did it for a reason. I feel her reason was, you live close and this was her way of getting a new puppy. She took advantage of your honesty. Honest people don't question other peoples honesty. Why would we? But then again, there are dishonest people out there as we all know. But what really bugs me a lot is that she is getting rid of her dog she has already so she can have a pup!!!! That is so very cold hearted!! Personally, I would not give her a pup. I fail to see how this would be a good loving home when it seems to me that she does not bond with pets however, considers them just animals. I am sorry but my babies ARE my babies and would never ever consider (nor could I) let one of my babies go anywhere. She knew the situation from the beginning. I am sure she did not just become a teacher in the 7 or 8 weeks since the puppies were born. to me it seems this was her motives from the beginning!! Please, please keep us informed. |
08-21-2009, 07:58 AM | #41 | |
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08-21-2009, 08:04 AM | #42 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Diamondhead,MS USA
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| i have not heard from sires mom. however, she will get a stud fee only. BWT, my momma was approved yesterday for AKC, they explained everything to me. i was happy. i had ckc on her but just the information alone made me feel better. the research took one month. but papers for me. ha, my pups me so much more to me. i am just a home grandma that wanted my mommas pup. now, i want good homes for the ones i can not keep. money was never a issue as for as selling. just wanted to cover my vet. cost. i hope to keep two out of the four. i have learn my lesson is trusting others. |
08-21-2009, 08:36 AM | #43 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO
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| i've had to learn those lessons the hard way about trusting other people! all i wanted to say to this thread topic is that next time, either make a contract and get all the papers in your hands and make copies of them if you are that interested in AKC or any registration on the dogs... that being said, there are LOTS of people out there more than happy to buy a nonregistered dog at a good price. i am one of them, my girl can be registered with APRI, which means nothing to me, and probably means nothing to anyone else, other than being curious about her family tree (not worth calling it a true pedigree) i could really care less about her registry. she's not a show dog, and she's not a breeder, she's a family member. she could be registered with the target bridal registry for all i really care, so i'm just saying this to let you know that you don't need to fear that you won't make a decent sale from your puppies just because they don't have a full registry, even though now it sounds like they do. being part of a kennel club doesn't make a dog better than any other dog IMO. it's still a dog, it will still be purebred yorkie and beautiful and as long as the buyer wants a pet not a show dog, they will be fine without the papers and paying a decent and fair amount for them... good luck, so sorry you had to deal with such a lying and manipulative person and got caught in the middle with her. i'm glad you aren't giving her a puppy, she doesn't deserve to own dogs IMO she's not a good owner or breeder. hope those little ones go to great homes, interview those buyers ok??? have a great day. |
08-21-2009, 09:43 AM | #44 |
YT Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lehi
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| On the upside, this person sounds like the type that would be happy to have some money in hand and may completely forget about the pup altogether!
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08-21-2009, 09:53 AM | #45 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA
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| u can get them registered ckc all they require is pics and witnesses |
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