Warning biewer owners/buyers!!!!

[IRMaxine]

Originally Posted by IRMaxine

We all as responsible Biewer owners/breeders/buyers want to protect our dogs from these potential health problems. And to think that the BTCA working with modern science has discovered these tests for mutations of diseases. Please share with us the name of the laboratory that are doing these mutation tests for you-
What mutations have been identified for the Biewer breed?
Which specific diseases are you testing the Biewers for?
If the toy breed mutations are the same for the Biewer Terrier, wouldn't the mutations be the same for the Biewer ala Pom Pon, Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, Biewer Yorkie, Biewer and the Yorkshire Terrier?

These questions are not going away-It is so much easier to change the subject-
I am still interested in the specific diseases/mutations for the Biewer breed-

[bailey12]

IRMaxine, go to the BTRA website and read the info provided. It clearly states the mutations and the corresponding diseases/illnesses. Again, is it a "perfect test", testing for all illnesses and their possible mutations? Again, of course not. It is another tool we have to get a more complete picture of our dogs. I believe people are trying to answer your questions. You do not have to test your dogs, that is your choice. If it isn't right for you, feel free to do something else juliet

[IRMaxine]

Originally Posted by bailey12

IRMaxine, go to the BTRA website and read the info provided. It clearly states the mutations and the corresponding diseases/illnesses. Again, is it a "perfect test", testing for all illnesses and their possible mutations? Again, of course not. It is another tool we have to get a more complete picture of our dogs. I believe people are trying to answer your questions. You do not have to test your dogs, that is your choice. If it isn't right for you, feel free to do something else juliet

What is the name of the test Juliet????? Are you referring to the DNA Parentage Test? That only proves who the parents are??? That does not test for diseases or mutations!!!

[bailey12]

IRMaxine, the info provided clearly states the health screening is provided in the DNA test. That is the name of the test. If you don't believe the test is relevant for you, don't test your dogs. The website clearly states what the test is and isn't. It isn't trying to say this is the "be all to end all" test. It is another tool we have....why is this such a problem for you? You have been so quick to definitively state your belief that the test is "bogus", for want of a better word.."There is no state of the art test, etc" If that is what you believe, fine. Others have different opinions on the subject. If I have thrown my money away on this test, it is mine to do....that is your opinion. Again, if you don't believe it is right for you, don't do it. juliet

[yorkiegal719]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Nancy, I wouldn't mind sharing any information with your club if I thought you were really interested in bettering the breed, but after finding out what your board members did this week end, it just showed me that nothing has changed.

First you say you won't show with the IABCA and then your officers are down there trying to get Jeff to accept a Gold Dust Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.
PLEASE.........

You guys still think the Biewer is a purebred Yorkshire Terrier with a 3 colored standard and now you are trying to promote a Gold Dust Biewer. Please stop bothering us!!

When are you going to learn that a color fault does not make a new breed?

I was not going to get into the middle of this debate, as it seems that nothing ever comes from any of this. But to set the record straight, our club, BBCA, has never stated that we believe what is in the makeup of the Biewer. No one knows for certainity. I did reply to a statement that Ms. Pruett did ask me: "If you now believe that the breed is not just a Parti Yorkie, we would love to talk with about the breed."

To this I replied that our club has never considered them a Parti from day one and that is why we have always believed in strictly Biewer to Biewer breeding. That was the extent of my reply. As usual this gave her permission to turn and twist a honest answer into something that would benefit her in any way. Saying that we are woriking together is something that is not true.

On the note of one of our members showing her dog at a show this past weekend, she was not representing the BBCA. This is her own project and instead of allowing all the information to develop, everyone runs to conclusions about everything. Members of our club are allowed to breed other breeds, whether it is Yorkies, Bulldogs, Cavaliers, etc. and the Golddust is accepted in Germany as a breed of it's own. If everyone would be patient with what is going to develop with this it may be very interesting to find out. Also, just because we had members at the IABCA show doesn't mean that we were showing. Our goal alway has and always will be the welfare of the Biewer.

I'm sorry to the Admin that I have not been active and just come in to defend myself and club. But sometimes it does need to be done.

[IRMaxine]

t seems that we are the only club, that when a health issue is encountered, we share with EVERYONE and hope all Biewer breeders will take the same precautions we are. We have not had the same courtesy from other clubs that are having so many deaths with their puppies
. Just sweep it under the club blanket
and maybe it will go away, eh?


As yet you have not answered one question concerning the health testing of the Biewer breed nor any health issues you have encountered- What other clubs have had so many puppy deaths?

[EnchantedToi]

Originally Posted by Pruett

The clubs don't get along because of this behavior. The BTCA is about developing a strong healthy foundation for the Biewer in America, educating the public with facts, not opinions.

Strong healthy foundation for the Biewer?
With all the online screaming and stomping about " Biewer Terriers"
and educating the public!
Are you educating you have Biewers? or " Biewer Terriers?
I'm really rather surprised with this statement from ,or maybe not.
I find this statement very confusing and I've been involved with the breed for a very long time.I feel badly for those who are trying to research the breed.

I am also not sure which clubs you would be refering to regarding deaths of puppies, however I find it is just another squirt of fuel that you like to add to the already burning fire.
In my personal opinion ,these types of statements are perhaps what keeps the clubs divided.
And once again a thread has been turned into another public attack against a club or other clubs that had nothing to do with the original post.

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by EnchantedToi

Strong healthy foundation for the Biewer?
With all the online screaming and stomping about " Biewer Terriers"
and educating the public!
Are you educating you have Biewers? or " Biewer Terriers?
I'm really rather surprised with this statement from ,or maybe not.
I find this statement very confusing and I've been involved with the breed for a very long time.I feel badly for those who are trying to research the breed.

I am also not sure which clubs you would be refering to regarding deaths of puppies, however I find it is just another squirt of fuel that you like to add to the already burning fire.
In my personal opinion ,these types of statements are perhaps what keeps the clubs divided.
And once again a thread has been turned into another public attack against a club or other clubs that had nothing to do with the original post.

I have Yorkshire Terriers and have referred to them as Yorkies for years. No one has ever thought it was a different breed.
I now have Biewer Terriers, when I refer to my dogs as Biewers, no one thinks I have a different breed either.
Everybody knows Yorkie is short for Yorkshire Terrier, just as Biewer is short for Biewer Terrier.
See?
Yorkshire Terrier ~Yorkie
Biewer Terrier ~ Biewer

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by IRMaxine

As yet you have not answered one question concerning the health testing of the Biewer breed nor any health issues you have encountered- What other clubs have had so many puppy deaths?

Go back and read post 29, 32, 40, 107, 109.
If you still have any questions after that, I afraid I can't help you.

[donna1134]

Maxine, I was one of the persons that was in the internet talk with the YT chat.. I very seldom post but wanted to answer some questions and to ask some.. I think that Nancy has a valid point to ask what tests are being done and what lab is being used. When the same question was asked during that chat, I answered that we did not know of any other than the original ones that was being done.. Now, I have a question.. Forget the politics and think of the dog.. What club would find something new that would benifit our dogs and not tell the world? If we found a lab, or a new test that would help our breedings, be it yorkie, biewer or biewer terrier, it would make sense for all of us to know. I can't understand how one question could make this long a thread and never have that one question answered.. before we can register our litters, we have a puppy wellness form that must be filled out by a vet. It includes a bile acid or liver enzime test.. that blood work must be done before puppies are registered and we do it on all of our breeding stock. They also must be dna'd. So, to answer that one part, yes, Nancy does test. but in all fairness, please let us know what other tests we can be doing. So our clubs do not get along.. so what..... isn't it about the dogs? We test eyes, LP, general wellness, the form proves that all shots are up to date.. the blood work and all the usual tests that are done with the sample and the dna. please tell us what other tests that we can do.

[bailey12]

Donna....I think people have tried to answer Nancy's questions. What mutation and corresponding illnesses, name of test, explanation of the test, where to find info on the test. What other questions does she have? I also think if the OP had been a bit friendlier, maybe the general "tone" of the thread might have been a bit more positive. I don't believe "Warning/Beware", is a great way to open a constructive and friendly dialogue. Juliet

[donna1134]

I am sorry but forgot to put on the end of that message to ask the name of the lab so that we could all benifit from these new tests.. we all want the same thing, a healthier dog.. thanks

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by donna1134

Maxine, I was one of the persons that was in the internet talk with the YT chat.. I very seldom post but wanted to answer some questions and to ask some.. I think that Nancy has a valid point to ask what tests are being done and what lab is being used. When the same question was asked during that chat, I answered that we did not know of any other than the original ones that was being done.. Now, I have a question.. Forget the politics and think of the dog.. What club would find something new that would benifit our dogs and not tell the world? If we found a lab, or a new test that would help our breedings, be it yorkie, biewer or biewer terrier, it would make sense for all of us to know. I can't understand how one question could make this long a thread and never have that one question answered.. before we can register our litters, we have a puppy wellness form that must be filled out by a vet. It includes a bile acid or liver enzime test.. that blood work must be done before puppies are registered and we do it on all of our breeding stock. They also must be dna'd. So, to answer that one part, yes, Nancy does test. but in all fairness, please let us know what other tests we can be doing. So our clubs do not get along.. so what..... isn't it about the dogs? We test eyes, LP, general wellness, the form proves that all shots are up to date.. the blood work and all the usual tests that are done with the sample and the dna. please tell us what other tests that we can do.

Thanks so much for responding and clearing up any misconceptions of testing being done. And thanks for stepping forward and identifying yourself as being in on that conversation with the YTCA members. It was a very friendly, informative exchange and I would hope that we would have more such as that. Maybe having informal chats like that one between clubs would do more to benefit the dog world.

And I agree, if other tests are being done that can clearly identify other defects they should be shared. I'm very sure that Dr. Centers and Dr. Tobias would share any break through that they have made with the entire Vet world. It is about the dog.

[donna1134]

Mardelin, I would be happy to be part of any chat. I also am a member of the YTCA. I have been raising and breeding for years and have had one of my dogs shown and championed. All my yorkies are getting old now and have been fixed. I am not an expert on anything.. just have learned by members of the YTCA as I went along.. If a question is asked and I can not answer or I think that someone else can answer better, I will find out so that the answer is accurate and not misleading.. I don't give a fig about what the politics are, I believe what I believe to be true and will stick to that until someone proves to me to be wrong.. I really really want to know what other tests can be done that the members of my club are not doing and the lab so we can start doing them. When I sell one of my pups, I make a friend for life. I don't want any of my puppies going to a new home not in the best of health and maybe, something that I could have avoided with these new tests.. I sure wish they would let us know.. I don't know of any other tests and neither does my vet. He says that if I find out, to please let him know so I am trying... That chat was very informative and we all learned a lot.. would love to do any time that you guys want.. oh, and you are very welcome... Donna

[Izzy Princess]

All I have to say from a buyer standpoint is that I am so happy to have gotten my Biewer BEFORE I read this thread or else I would not have gotten one. You all made me scared that I either got a "bad" Biewer or a breed that will soon go down the tubes with all this in-fighting.

I am more confused now then ever and I hope for the sake of this wonderful, funny, smart, loving Biewer that you all find a common ground and to help insure that future Biewers are healthy and find loving homes. I hope that the breed does not die out here in the States as I see more and more wonderful and caring breeders stop breeding these wonderful Biewers because of all the bickering between the clubs..sad..so sad.