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IRMaxine 07-31-2009 09:35 AM
Warning biewer owners/buyers!!!!
 
WARNING

There is NO "state of the art" DNA test to determine whether the Biewer/ Biewer ala Pom Pon/ Biewer Yorkshire Terrier/ Biewer Yorkie/ Biewer Terrier is a carrier of ANY life threatening/ life altering diseases.

There are approximately 25 diseases being ID'd via DNA at this time. However they are very breed specific- In other words if you have your Biewer tested for one of these diseases or all of them at $50.00 per test, they will test clear for this disease because there is NO MARKERS to identified in the Biewer breed.

If you are given a certificate stating they are disease free- BEWARE!!!!!

TLC 07-31-2009 09:59 AM
WOW ~ This is interesting and scarey :eek: bc we as buyers could shell out an arm and a leg for Biewer and they could wind up costing us another arm and leg in Vet bills :(

Mardelin 07-31-2009 10:12 AM
You are so right. Testing clear does not mean that they are not carriers. There are certain diseases that have Markers that reveal a dog is a non carrier.

scrapindee 07-31-2009 11:08 AM
So is this is bogus?

Biewer Club is proud to announce the introduction of a new state-of-the-art testing procedure that tests their registered dogs to determine whether they are carriers of various life-altering/life-threatening canine diseases. Through this test, this biewer club's breeders are furthering their education in perfecting their mating pairs and in turn, are helping to create the healthiest, best quality Puppies possible! Breed club is proud to be the FIRST AND ONLY Biewer organization to step into this new scientific realm.

Oh, brother.

Mardelin 07-31-2009 11:19 AM
Which Biewer's Club, as there are 2. YTCA members have opened communications with a couple of members from 2 different national clubs.....might be a question to bring up.

IRMaxine 07-31-2009 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 2733364)
So is this is bogus?

Biewer Club is proud to announce the introduction of a new state-of-the-art testing procedure that tests their registered dogs to determine whether they are carriers of various life-altering/life-threatening canine diseases. Through this test, this biewer club's breeders are furthering their education in perfecting their mating pairs and in turn, are helping to create the healthiest, best quality Puppies possible! Breed club is proud to be the FIRST AND ONLY Biewer organization to step into this new scientific realm.

Oh, brother.
There is NO one test- I have contacted several reputable laboratories about "a test" for the Biewers- I was told there is no test for this breed- each lab has a list of breeds and the tests they can do for their specific diseases- each test cost approx $50.00- A Biewer tested for those diseases will always test clear- Hope this answers your question

IRMaxine 07-31-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2733380)
Which Biewer's Club, as there are 2. YTCA members have opened communications with a couple of members from 2 different national clubs.....might be a question to bring up.
Go to each clubs home page- the information is there- then I refer you to the DNA Services page for a list of diseases they are testing for-

Mardelin 07-31-2009 11:34 AM
[QUOTE=IRMaxine;2733397]There is NO one test- I have contacted several reputable laboratories about "a test" for the Biewers- I was told there is no test for this breed- each lab has a list of breeds and the tests they can do for their specific diseases- each test cost approx $50.00- A Biewer tested for those diseases will always test clear- Hope this answers your question[/Q

Can you explain always test clear?

I do know that per conversations they do extensive testing, but since some of the diseases that affect Biewers also affect Yorkies. You would think that if DNA Markers have been found for identifying if a dog is a Shunt Carrier, the same test could be used for other breeds too.

bchgirl 07-31-2009 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2733406)

Can you explain always test clear?

I do know that per conversations they do extensive testing, but since some of the diseases that affect Biewers also affect Yorkies. You would think that if DNA Markers have been found for identifying if a dog is a Shunt Carrier, the same test could be used for other breeds too.
No marker has been identified for a shunt carrier and that information comes directly from Dr Center.

Btw there are actually 3 active biewer clubs and two which are inactive.

Mardelin 07-31-2009 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by IRMaxine (Post 2733405)
Go to each clubs home page- the information is there- then I refer you to the DNA Services page for a list of diseases they are testing for-
I've gone over them before, but thought maybe you knew a bit more. My interest is not with the Biewer but, with DNA Markers.

Mardelin 07-31-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2733418)
No marker has been identified for a shunt carrier and that information comes directly from Dr Center.

Btw there are actually 3 active biewer clubs and two which are inactive.
I know that there is no DNA Marker to identify if a dog is a Shunt Carrier.

We (YTCA) members spoke to members of 2 different Biewer National Clubs, and asked why they were seperate. There was no divinative answer, however, it appears their breeding philosphies are different.

IRMaxine 07-31-2009 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2733443)
I know that there is no DNA Marker to identify if a dog is a Shunt Carrier.

We (YTCA) members spoke to members of 2 different Biewer National Clubs, and asked why they were seperate. There was no divinative answer, however, it appears their breeding philosphies are different.
You are absolutely correct!!!!

Mardelin 07-31-2009 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by IRMaxine (Post 2733483)
You are absolutely correct!!!!
Well at least I remember that much and its nice to know that I don't have total CRAFTS disease......it's been over 3 months since our conversation with these members and they were very open and informative.

Most of these people want to their dogs to be recognized as Biewer or Biewer Terriers......a breed on to itself. They are actively documenting and hope that one day they will be recognized by the AKC.

qraven 07-31-2009 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRMaxine (Post 2733397)
There is NO one test- I have contacted several reputable laboratories about "a test" for the Biewers- I was told there is no test for this breed- each lab has a list of breeds and the tests they can do for their specific diseases- each test cost approx $50.00- A Biewer tested for those diseases will always test clear- Hope this answers your question
We made some calls today after reading this and learned the same that there is no such test.

Wonder how many people really paid money for this .... great scam though as we always want to do the best for our babies.

xxmxaxrxyxx 07-31-2009 04:00 PM
very interesting!


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