CKC vs AKC

[hasrv4fun]

Originally Posted by marcerella02

The CKC is the Canadian version of AKC and there is really nothing wrong with a CKC registered dog- they are just from Canada. Their standards are equally high The Canadian Kennel Club > Home

If you buy a dog that is AKC you can get it registered CKC but the process is really quite long and involved- not sure what the process is to go from CKC to AKC.

the CKC here is Continental Kennel Club and in my opinion it isn't worth the paper it is written on - You can not go from CKC to AKC - AKC only takes dogs that you can prove the lineage on -and- any thing can be registered CKC with only a couple photos to show what it looks like - now what kind of pedigree can you have if you can register a rescue from the pound if it looks like a Yorkie -

There needs to be better education on here and elsewhere about the HUGE difference in AKC and CKC -
I don't want to hurt anyones feeling but if you buy CKC , you may as well go to the pound or rescue as you have no proof of the pedigree of the dog and it is a darling puppy i am sure but you know nothing about the background , parents , health etc- breeding CKC is usually because they don't want to spend the money it takes to get good AKC dogs - its all about the money again and mostly taking the money from uneducated people that fall in love with a darling baby.
I have vented - as i have seen so many of these babies turn out different than they were supposed to for size , looks etc and people are paying good money for what is not always a good puppy.

[WV~Yorkies]

Like I said before AKC is better but..I have seen 15 pound AKC yorkies that don't even look like yorkies. So AKC is not always fool proof.

People pay good money for AKC and not get what they thought they had. There are alot of ugly AKC yorkies out there. Alot of puppymills selling AKC not only ckc. I have a puppymill close to me and I went out there onetime to see her dogs and I was disgusted. They all were dirty and outside. She only sells AKC. I came home and cried because I would have loved to take them all home. So just because they are AKC does not mean they are taken better care of in all cases.

I had a lady come to my house with her female not to long ago wanting to breed with my male. I had to turn her away. Her dog was AKC with a pretty good pedigree but it looked like a dachhound/terrier mix. It was long, very short and weighed 15 pounds. I was never so shocked.

So whatever the registeration people should research it and not just jump on the first cute pup they see.

[ranant12]

I agree.

My friend was so excited to purchase an AKC male puppy last year. She paid over $700 dollars from what was supposed to be a reputable breeder in our area. Her male is now 9 months old, weighs 11lbs and looks like a schnauzer/yorkie mix. I feel so sad for her that she paid so much for a dog and didn't end up with what she expected to have. She loves her dog very much, but he is not like my Diva, which is what she wanted.

I have another friend that purchased a CKC yorkie from a breeder in LA. Her little girl is the prettiest 5lb yorkie, with a gorgeous coat, no health problems and a wonderful personality. She paid $500 for her girl.

I know that CKC is not the best registration and I know that they will basically register a mutt, but AKC is not immune to people that lie and cheat. It is possible for a breeder to have AKC papers on a female yorkie and use those papers to register another female's puppies. AKC papers do not insure a quality dog.

[tskinner]

Originally Posted by hasrv4fun

There needs to be better education on here and elsewhere about the HUGE difference in AKC and CKC -
I don't want to hurt anyones feeling but if you buy CKC , you may as well go to the pound or rescue as you have no proof of the pedigree of the dog and it is a darling puppy i am sure but you know nothing about the background , parents , health etc- breeding CKC is usually because they don't want to spend the money it takes to get good AKC dogs - its all about the money again and mostly taking the money from uneducated people that fall in love with a darling baby.
I have vented - as i have seen so many of these babies turn out different than they were supposed to for size , looks etc and people are paying good money for what is not always a good puppy.

Another question, what is so important about papers if your not planning on breeding or showing? What is wrong with pound puppys? Don't they deserve a home too?

[oopsmyhalofello]

Originally Posted by tskinner

Another question, what is so important about papers if your not planning on breeding or showing? What is wrong with pound puppys? Don't they deserve a home too?

There is nothing wrong with shelter dogs, there is no way to know their background however which I believe is the point the pp was trying to make.

I just read your other post and came to read this one, going to reply to the other one now. lol

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tskinner

Another question, what is so important about papers if your not planning on breeding or showing? What is wrong with pound puppys? Don't they deserve a home too?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with pound pups, some of my favorite dogs were pound pups, it's just that if you are going to give monetary support to a breeder, some of us think that you should give your money to the best breeder you can find, one that's ethical, and actually is trying to improve the breed. Most of we pet owners will never breed or show, it's not about that, it's about rewarding the good breeders, and helping put the bad breeders out of business. There sometimes isn't much of a cost difference between buying from a bad breeder and buying from a good breeder, people can charge whatever they want for their dogs and price is just one factor, so you can't go on that alone in choosing your breeder, that's why it's important to know what other qualities to look for.

[tskinner]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

There's absolutely nothing wrong with pound pups, some of my favorite dogs were pound pups, it's just that if you are going to give monetary support to a breeder, some of us think that you should give your money to the best breeder you can find, one that's ethical, and actually is trying to improve the breed. Most of we pet owners will never breed or show, it's not about that, it's about rewarding the good breeders, and helping put the bad breeders out of business. There sometimes isn't much of a cost difference between buying from a bad breeder and buying from a good breeder, people can charge whatever they want for their dogs and price is just one factor, so you can't go on that alone in choosing your breeder, that's why it's important to know what other qualities to look for.

I would say that it would have been great to know these things before I jumped into buying the cutest little puppy that crossed my path but I wouldn't give him up for the world. It definitely has helped in my decision on when I get my next one, if my dh will let me, lol.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tskinner

I would say that it would have been great to know these things before I jumped into buying the cutest little puppy that crossed my path but I wouldn't give him up for the world. It definitely has helped in my decision on when I get my next one, if my dh will let me, lol.

Don't feel bad, I hope you get lucky and your dog turns out to be free of genetic defects. I really didn't know anything about finding a quality breeder until I found Yorkietalk, I'm so thankful, for all the members who have written posts on how to find a good breeder, and the qualities to look for. I was really afraid to even buy a purebred anything because of one horrific experience with the cutest little dog ever. When man becomes involves in breeding of animals, it is extremely important to know what you are doing, because you are playing genetic roulette, and survival of the fittest just doesn't hold out. When a family owns and loves a dog with major genetic flaws, not flaws that harm the beauty, but flaws that influence the quality of life, it can be extremely painful both emotionally and financially. Better breeders do health screening and know their lines to ensure the dogs that they are breeding are less likely to be passing major genetic flaws that don't show up until, the age of 5 or 6, when many of these backyard breeders are finished breeding their dogs.

Another thing to remember, is that with the CKC and these alternative registries, you can't even offer limited registration, if you want, meaning that every puppy you sell can be legally bred by the buyer, no reputable breeder believes that every puppy born is fit to be bred.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by hasrv4fun

I don't want to hurt anyones feeling but if you buy CKC , you may as well go to the pound or rescue as you have no proof of the pedigree of the dog and it is a darling puppy i am sure but you know nothing about the background , parents , health etc- breeding CKC is usually because they don't want to spend the money it takes to get good AKC dogs -

While I understand your reasons for feeling that way, I have to disagree with you in this aspect. What you have described is not always the case, just as it is not always the case that a breeder under the ACK umbrella is going to be reputable. It's not always about money, and doesn't mean that you can't know the background of the dogs. Of course, if you are dealing with a dishonest breeder, that is CERTAINLY the case...but the same could be said for AKC or any other registry.

What you have stated IS the case many times, but not always. It's certainly something to be cautious and wary about, but not something that should unquestionably condemn the dog, owners or breeders over. Of course, the ability to make wise decisions in that area comes with preparing yourself as an owner, doing your research and educating yourself on what constitutes a "good breeder."