Pedigree question

[briana smith]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Incorrect, a fault can be as simple as a bad head carriage, a gait that is not wonderful, tail set just a wee bit low, a topline that is off.......ears to tall, a bit easty/westie, etc......I was told early on, that if you can find 3 faults in a dog, don't show it, because the judge will find more. Accept the faults you can live with, try to correct the ones you can't, by finding a stud that can compliment your female. Now it may be fault that may take several generations to breed it out and does the female have enough of what you want to take the time and effort to do it. Breeding is not just putting dogs together to have puppies, especially yorkies. You can't breed yorkies phenotype to phenotype like with poodles and know what you're gonna get. There's studying genetics, pedigrees (knowing each dog in that pedigree backward and forward); everything from temperament, structure, you name it. But, remember there is no perfect dog. That's why we breed, for the challange of improving on what we have.

For instance I have a female that went a bit light, and led with her head in the ring. Some days she showed like a dream and others she'd look at me like I'd lost mind for wanting to take her into the ring. When I bred her, I bred her to a stud with excellent head carriage, great showmanship and dark. I got what I wanted, he complimented her well and corrected what I wanted to correct.

Very true!!
Sorry, I not very familiar with the yorkie pedigrees, but I am with maltese.
Breeding is deff. not an easy task and not anyone can do it. Breeding is a lot of very hard work and takes a lot of time and dedication. You must study and learn the pedigrees and what health or confirmation issues are coming down from what dogs.
Then there is often a lot of heartbreak with litters when things don't go as planned. You have to be ready to have c-sections, stay up night and day if you're having problems with the puppies, either to tube feed or supplement, etc. etc. And, of course, training and socializing the puppies, as well as the grooming -- all a lot of very hard work.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by mothermoon11

I don't know how to pm.
I'm very new to this forum thing.
I will try to figure out how to do it

OK! Click onto my name, at the left of my post it'll bring a drop down and one will say send a Private Message to Mardelin. Click on it and the text box will appear. Just like a regular post, but it'll be private.

[Mardelin]

Sent you back a private message. Signing off now, but looking forward to hearing from you.

[nanahas3]

This happened to us to our little guy's mom and dad were brother and sister and we found out only when we got his pedigree. Why can't these breeders be upfront about this stuff if they think it is ok to do it in the first place????

[Mardelin]

Not to stick up for your breeder, but as puppy buyers there is a bit of responsibilty too. Doing homework, knowing the questions to ask. I know when one is looking for a puppy, how easily our hearts are captured by these lil pups, but all pups are adorable. As for the puppy buyers that are looking to begin breeding, we lean to the first breeder that will sell on open registration, big red flag.

Is the breeding you decribed common practice, I just know in tha past it was done be expert breeders when beginning their lines and only when they were fully knowledgable of what was in their genetic makeup.

[naturalallure]

This was really interesting to read... so is it okay to ask to see the pedigrees of the puppy's parents or are most breeders finicky about stuff like that?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by naturalallure

This was really interesting to read... so is it okay to ask to see the pedigrees of the puppy's parents or are most breeders finicky about stuff like that?

Absolutely, ask all the questions you can come up with. If the breeder is unwilling to share that information with you, find another breeder. You must feel fully comfortable with your breeder. You are not only buying a puppy, you are buying a relationship. The relationship should continue for the life of the dog, not when the money exchanges hands and you walk out the door. I know that I want to see what my dogs have produced. I enjoy getting pics, phone calls, etc. When I place a pup, I offer free grooming and boarding for that pup, for the rest of their life. Purely selfish on my part, but I get to see them often.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by naturalallure

This was really interesting to read... so is it okay to ask to see the pedigrees of the puppy's parents or are most breeders finicky about stuff like that?

When I am selling a puppy, I always send pictures of both parents and also the grandparents, if I have them and the pedigrees on both parents. it is just the right thing for breeders to do.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

When I am selling a puppy, I always send pictures of both parents and also the grandparents, if I have them and the pedigrees on both parents. it is just the right thing for breeders to do.

Dee,

I provide a baby book, within it, it has all medical records, a chrono of everything that has transpired, from the birth of the pup to the day it goes home, even if the pup had to be delivered via an emergency delivery. When it's eyes and ears opened, when it took it's first steps, etc. A 10 generation pedigree on both the parents, pics of the parents and baby pics of the pup from the moment they are born. A copy of the contract, links of where to purchase things, feeding instructions, training instructions, how to interview vets, everything I could think of that a new puppy family would need. My # and e-mail is listed within the book in several locations. The book is pretty massive.

[naturalallure]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Absolutely, ask all the questions you can come up with. If the breeder is unwilling to share that information with you, find another breeder. You must feel fully comfortable with your breeder. You are not only buying a puppy, you are buying a relationship. The relationship should continue for the life of the dog, not when the money exchanges hands and you walk out the door. I know that I want to see what my dogs have produced. I enjoy getting pics, phone calls, etc. When I place a pup, I offer free grooming and boarding for that pup, for the rest of their life. Purely selfish on my part, but I get to see them often.

Free grooming and boarding! I wish you weren't all the way on the West Coast lol. But that is such a great idea. I wish more of the breeders I run into were as open. I would love to have that kind of interaction and relationship with a breeder. Sad to say, but I've never thought about seeing the pedigree (that's me being naive lol). It's not a good reason not to, but because I already ask so many questions, I stop myself from asking even more.

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

When I am selling a puppy, I always send pictures of both parents and also the grandparents, if I have them and the pedigrees on both parents. it is just the right thing for breeders to do.

Oh wow, that's really great. I'm used to people only offering pictures of the babies. And I will try and pull pictures of the parents (can never get to the grandparents) myself because I want to see them. Will definitely take this into consideration now for the next baby. I don't know why I never realized how valuable seeing the pedigree would be.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by naturalallure

Free grooming and boarding! I wish you weren't all the way on the West Coast lol. But that is such a great idea. I wish more of the breeders I run into were as open. I would love to have that kind of interaction and relationship with a breeder. Sad to say, but I've never thought about seeing the pedigree (that's me being naive lol). It's not a good reason not to, but because I already ask so many questions, I stop myself from asking even more.



Oh wow, that's really great. I'm used to people only offering pictures of the babies. And I will try and pull pictures of the parents (can never get to the grandparents) myself because I want to see them. Will definitely take this into consideration now for the next baby. I don't know why I never realized how valuable seeing the pedigree would be.

Grandparents pics are definately more valuable than parent pics, as it gives more of an idea what your baby will turn out to look like.

[naturalallure]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Dee, I provide a baby book, within it, it has all medical records, a chrono of everything that has transpired, from the birth of the pup to the day it goes home, even if the pup had to be delivered via an emergency delivery. When it's eyes and ears opened, when it took it's first steps, etc. A 10 generation pedigree on both the parents, pics of the parents and baby pics of the pup from the moment they are born. A copy of the contract, links of where to purchase things, feeding instructions, training instructions, how to interview vets, everything I could think of that a new puppy family would need. My # and e-mail is listed within the book in several locations. The book is pretty massive.

Wooowww that's pretty amazing. I think I'm in love lol. I hope you spread the news on YT when babies are expected :hinthint

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Grandparents pics are definately more valuable than parent pics, as it gives more of an idea what your baby will turn out to look like.

Really!??!! Learn something new every day, never would've even guessed that.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by naturalallure

Wooowww that's pretty amazing. I think I'm in love lol. I hope you spread the news on YT when babies are expected :hinthint



Really!??!! Learn something new every day, never would've even guessed that.

Nope, I never advertise, since I breed for myself first.

[naturalallure]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Nope, I never advertise, since I breed for myself first.

Ohh, I can understand that. So is it just luck of the person to stumble across you?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by naturalallure

Ohh, I can understand that. So is it just luck of the person to stumble across you?

Pretty much.