Does this look like the same dog to you?

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax

i couldnt have said it better myself

So much I would like to add, but I'm not even gonna go there

I hope this gets resolved. If the breeder were truly responsible, she would take the dog back no questions asked. However, she would have also not sold the dog unspayed as breeding quality when the dog is absolutely not breeding quality or even close to.

Well I guess I had to add something.

It's also kind of disheartening that the OP is getting bashed. I am very thankful for these threads, as they prevent others from purchasing from a shady "breeder." And if you decided to purchase from this individual, at least you would be more inclined to truly get all the facts and perhaps compose a contract to protect yourself.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I debated with myself about posting in a heated thread. But I decided that the OP deserves replies when she has asked for people's honest opinions. Sorry to the seller, but there is no way that I would believe those were the same dogs either -- especially when the pictures are supposedly taken only ONE month apart. I think you have to see the buyer's point of view at least a LITTLE on that point. I think the nasty replies from the seller sort of seals the deal as to who is not doing right, in my mind. To make accusations like: "she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear" and "unkempnow she looks filthy, poor and unkempt" is ridiculous. She is NOT in mud. Even the picture taken outside, the dirt is obviously dry and she does not look filthy. She does look like a larger, darker dog with droopy ears, whether in fear or just not ears that stand up, it can't be discerned from a picture.

The seller also says "I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, " yet she advertised the dog as weighing 5 pounds AFTER she got her back from Sara. If you are going to sell a dog, especially if it has been out of your possession for a time, then you need to verify details like that or you are not being honest. You can't say a picture was taken a month ago, when it was really 5 months ago. That too, is dishonest.

And what is up with the line the seller wrote: "If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. " Is that a threat? Very unprofessional. BTW "slander" is spoken, "libel" is published in writing -- and it has to actually be an untruthful statement.

I also agree that the seller's quotes from the buyer only make me think she did try to make things work. She knew just by looking that the dog was not what she paid her money for, but she was willing to try until it became evident that the behavior problems were a dangerous risk to her small yorkie and maybe even her children.

I wonder at the not so subtle insinuations about bow insults and husband's ex-wife. If there is ex-wife/current wife relationship here, then who knows what to believe. But if a person wants to be a professional breeder, they had better make sure their word is gold and not sell dogs with very out of date pictures, nearly 2 pound weight difference, and aggression problems when they know the buyer has a small dog and small children. You just don't do that to the buyer or the dog. As another poster said, this is a dog that needs to go where she can be an only child and get some quality time resolving her behavior issues. It is a shame that the dog grew larger than any of the three mentioned owners wanted, did not have the "look" any of them were after, and had agression problems. But what a shame the poor dog still does not have a forever home and was needlessly shipped to the buyer who had different expectations. Instead of pawning her off on trusting people, the seller needs to find a home where she can have her special needs met.

You also don't post threats or be rude to customers. I think this was entirely unprofessional!

I believe the seller should return the purchase price and at least one way of the transportation cost, and the vet fees incurred by the buyer. These are just my opinions, which everyone has their own, and after all, that was what was asked for.

Such a shame that this happened on YT. Not only did this buyer decide buying from a YT member cannot be trusted, many others reading this will now not want to take the risk of buying from what was usually considered a reliable source -- yorkietalk members! This hurts all breeders. Maybe we could come up with a voluntary mediation program on YT. We have a company in our town that provides a service like that to individuals and businesses alike. Here we could have a board of some of the long-time members who have earned a good reputation. Each would hear out both sides and then come to a consensus with the other mediators as to their recommendation. Just an idea......

Great post!

[jplovesjessy]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I debated with myself about posting in a heated thread. But I decided that the OP deserves replies when she has asked for people's honest opinions. Sorry to the seller, but there is no way that I would believe those were the same dogs either -- especially when the pictures are supposedly taken only ONE month apart. I think you have to see the buyer's point of view at least a LITTLE on that point. I think the nasty replies from the seller sort of seals the deal as to who is not doing right, in my mind. To make accusations like: "she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear" and "unkempnow she looks filthy, poor and unkempt" is ridiculous. She is NOT in mud. Even the picture taken outside, the dirt is obviously dry and she does not look filthy. She does look like a larger, darker dog with droopy ears, whether in fear or just not ears that stand up, it can't be discerned from a picture.

The seller also says "I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, " yet she advertised the dog as weighing 5 pounds AFTER she got her back from Sara. If you are going to sell a dog, especially if it has been out of your possession for a time, then you need to verify details like that or you are not being honest. You can't say a picture was taken a month ago, when it was really 5 months ago. That too, is dishonest.

And what is up with the line the seller wrote: "If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. " Is that a threat? Very unprofessional. BTW "slander" is spoken, "libel" is published in writing -- and it has to actually be an untruthful statement.

I also agree that the seller's quotes from the buyer only make me think she did try to make things work. She knew just by looking that the dog was not what she paid her money for, but she was willing to try until it became evident that the behavior problems were a dangerous risk to her small yorkie and maybe even her children.

I wonder at the not so subtle insinuations about bow insults and husband's ex-wife. If there is ex-wife/current wife relationship here, then who knows what to believe. But if a person wants to be a professional breeder, they had better make sure their word is gold and not sell dogs with very out of date pictures, nearly 2 pound weight difference, and aggression problems when they know the buyer has a small dog and small children. You just don't do that to the buyer or the dog. As another poster said, this is a dog that needs to go where she can be an only child and get some quality time resolving her behavior issues. It is a shame that the dog grew larger than any of the three mentioned owners wanted, did not have the "look" any of them were after, and had agression problems. But what a shame the poor dog still does not have a forever home and was needlessly shipped to the buyer who had different expectations. Instead of pawning her off on trusting people, the seller needs to find a home where she can have her special needs met.

You also don't post threats or be rude to customers. I think this was entirely unprofessional!

I believe the seller should return the purchase price and at least one way of the transportation cost, and the vet fees incurred by the buyer. These are just my opinions, which everyone has their own, and after all, that was what was asked for.

Such a shame that this happened on YT. Not only did this buyer decide buying from a YT member cannot be trusted, many others reading this will now not want to take the risk of buying from what was usually considered a reliable source -- yorkietalk members! This hurts all breeders. Maybe we could come up with a voluntary mediation program on YT. We have a company in our town that provides a service like that to individuals and businesses alike. Here we could have a board of some of the long-time members who have earned a good reputation. Each would hear out both sides and then come to a consensus with the other mediators as to their recommendation. Just an idea......

After reading this I have decided to pipe up. I have been to Christin's house several times when looking and my baby before I purchased him and brought him home. YOU dear poster have NO clue as to what you are talking about. If you would take the actual time to go look at the Teyjas original post of when she actually cleaned the poor dog -then you would see CLEARLY that the color on her head and face (please be computer literate and zoom in) is the same as in the other photos originally posted. Also the "slander" words ummmm.... ARE being spoken on YT.. did you see that??? How in the world are you bashing someone you don't know??? Just curious ? Do you base your opinion on one persons comments. Give me a break!! I saw Emma before when my pup wasn't even born yet, as I looked at her first litter. AGAIN go back and look and see if the Teyja lady had a pic of Emma's ears up and the "light " hair. Do your stinkin research. Emma was very happy and give me a break about her jumping on a dining room table. Look at the original picks people of her posting... I'm excited. How can any of you say that is not the same dog if you compare the posting. If you need help go to the ladies profile and click on her other posts and you will see the pics of Emma after she first got there.. SAME DOG.. Man I only come on here to get info on my baby since Christin referred me to this site, but all the ridiculous judemental people make me just want to buy a stinkin book. Let me tell you a thing or two I will go up against this lady claiming Emma is not Emma because I have seen her in person and I know for a fACT that is the same dog. Can any of you say that?? ?I don't think so. You also know a buyer is responsible for SHipping PERIOD.! Wow Here is the link if you are are that bent on saying it is not the same dog... LOOK at the shine and color carefully in her other post. I sure find it funny that she showed these other pics instead.Christin if you read this. I have your back and I will be your eye witness.

[jplovesjessy]

Let's compare the actual clean Emma, with the original pictures posted on her ad- months before Gina received the dog. Gina posted this pic herself

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/attachments/general-yorkshire-terrier-discussion/269811d1237341469-i-m-excited-p1010595.jpg

Please give me a break. What more cut and dry do you need

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy

I saw Emma before when my pup wasn't even born yet, as I looked at her first litter.

Are you saying you saw Emma's first litter?

[amandawash]

I'm sorry you're so upset. But could you answer my question? Did you see Emma's litter?

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy

After reading this I have decided to pipe up. I have been to Christin's house several times when looking and my baby before I purchased him and brought him home. YOU dear poster have NO clue as to what you are talking about. If you would take the actual time to go look at the Teyjas original post of when she actually cleaned the poor dog -then you would see CLEARLY that the color on her head and face (please be computer literate and zoom in) is the same as in the other photos originally posted. Also the "slander" words ummmm.... ARE being spoken on YT.. did you see that??? How in the world are you bashing someone you don't know??? Just curious ? Do you base your opinion on one persons comments. Give me a break!! I saw Emma before when my pup wasn't even born yet, as I looked at her first litter. AGAIN go back and look and see if the Teyja lady had a pic of Emma's ears up and the "light " hair. Do your stinkin research. Emma was very happy and give me a break about her jumping on a dining room table. Look at the original picks people of her posting... I'm excited. How can any of you say that is not the same dog if you compare the posting. If you need help go to the ladies profile and click on her other posts and you will see the pics of Emma after she first got there.. SAME DOG.. Man I only come on here to get info on my baby since Christin referred me to this site, but all the ridiculous judemental people make me just want to buy a stinkin book. Let me tell you a thing or two I will go up against this lady claiming Emma is not Emma because I have seen her in person and I know for a fACT that is the same dog. Can any of you say that?? ?I don't think so. You also know a buyer is responsible for SHipping PERIOD.! Wow Here is the link if you are are that bent on saying it is not the same dog... LOOK at the shine and color carefully in her other post. I sure find it funny that she showed these other pics instead.Christin if you read this. I have your back and I will be your eye witness.

I will post every single picture I'm asked to of this dog and MY dog for comparison to the ones she sent me. It's not the same as the pictures sent to me. If it is the same dog, it's a MUCH younger picture of her and not a true likeness of her. The bottom line is if Christin would have sent me a true likeness of her and her ACTUAL weight, I never would have purchased her. And she knew that. Despite that, I was willing to try to work with Emma.

I expected her to check my personal references and my vet references. I expected her to ask A LOT of questions. Any good breeder would have. I would have happily given her this information and anything else she asked for. Hell, I'm the rescue director for our regional avian rescue. You don't get voted in for that position if you're not a caring person who takes good care of their animals.

As for buyers remorse. Yeah, I guess in a way it is. I was looking for something specific and she knew that. I didn't get what I purchased. I told her flat out that I didn't want just ANY dog, I wanted THE dog that was a good fit for my family because this was a serious commitment to me.

She sold this dog as breeding stock. Breeding stock is a short square body with a small nose and soft, silky haircoat. Emma has a long body with a long nose and wire hair. She is NOT breeding stock!

And yes, she cleans up ok and looks cute for about an hour before her hair falls and she looks like the pictures I posted in this thread (which is what happened). The original pictures that were sent to me show a dog with a full, silky coat.

The bottom line is she misrepresented the dog and you can't sugar coat that. There's a BIG difference between 5lbs and 6.12. Just not disclosing THAT is misrepresentation. When I approached her with my disappointment and the issues we're having with her "sweet" disposition, she immediately became combative and attacked me. How is that a professional breeder?

And Emma DOES get up on the table. She jumps on a chair and then onto the table. If you need me to, I can get this on video. Wouldn't be hard, she does it every chance she gets.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy

Oh and since Christin seems to be battling in a competiton of wits.. Gina seems unarmed and a true liar. I have seen first hand. I have a wonderful puppy, wonderful breeder, and a GREAT contract. I wish one of the nurses that was there taking care of her dad had taken EMMA she wanted her dearly. She wouldn't have been put outside. Also do your research on her photos are you will see the "inside" one was the first day. The crappy one that shows her Scared to death and dirty is the one that was two days later.

Sure is! because as soon as I got her home I had to give her a bath! I posted that in the thread. She didn't ship to me clean sweetheart. Are you saying I need to bath Emma every day? Wouldn't that dry her skin out? Wouldn't that be abusive?

She misrepresents the dog and *I* am the liar? Don't call me a liar when you clearly have no idea what took place here.

[jplovesjessy]

Originally Posted by amandawash

Are you saying you saw Emma's first litter?

Emma never had a litter...I looked at another litter of another dog she owned. NOR was she advertised as breeding stock as anyone can see in the ad. Your a judemental one and I saw you had posted nothing but nice comments for her before. What a shame. Hope no one does that to you.

[yorkieK9trainer]

For this amount of money and just a touch more for shipping you could've gotten a puppy out of the finest Devils of York lines, imported!

Wow..........I'd spay her before shipping her back or placing her.

Best of luck with your resolution!

[MindieRose]

It is not a customers job to be professional, it's the "professional" breeders job to act as such.

It very well may be the same dog, just younger, and, like mentioned before, more of a "glamour shot" type of picture. Very deceptive about the food aggression and the weight indeed. Not to mention she charged WAY too much money. I would never sell someone a dog under such false pretenses. A dog is not going to change in looks so much in a matter of days, or even a month.

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy

Emma never had a litter...I looked at another litter of another dog she owned. NOR was she advertised as breeding stock as anyone can see in the ad. Your a judemental one and I saw you had posted nothing but nice comments for her before. What a shame. Hope no one does that to you.

This is a quote from the sale ad "Anyway she has never been bred. Though I did very much intend to breed her. She will make beautiful puppies."

How is that not advertising her as a breeding bitch?

Where were my nice comments from before?

[jplovesjessy]

Originally Posted by amandawash

This is a quote from the sale ad "Anyway she has never been bred. Though I did very much intend to breed her. She will make beautiful puppies."

How is that not advertising her as a breeding bitch?

Where were my nice comments from before?

On other pic posts and wow are you saying you don't make nice posts. That is sad too! Let's see:

Breeding Bitch for sale ----there ya go. That would be a breeding bitch for sale post. Her saying she had intended to eventually breed her does not mean she was sold as a breeding bitch. She was looking for a "FOREVER" home for her.

[yorkie mad]

I can see both points of view on this and hope it gets resolved quickly especially for this little dogs sake. Ive recently just lost a dog and I know this little dog will be special to someone.

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy

On other pic posts and wow are you saying you don't make nice posts. That is sad too! Let's see:

Breeding Bitch for sale ----there ya go. That would be a breeding bitch for sale post. Her saying she had intended to eventually breed her does not mean she was sold as a breeding bitch. She was looking for a "FOREVER" home for her.

You're grasping at straws now darlin', aren't you?

Too funny, some people. Shouldn't be long before this thread gets closed

To the OP- I *really* hope this "breeder" steps up and does the responsible thing. If her reputation and the MOST IMPORTANT THING- the welfare of Emma are of any concern to her, she'll do the right thing.