tails?

[fbmom]

Boxer is docked - I think long skinny tails on boxers are very ugly - looks too much like a big rat tail. eew! Besides the boxer is so rambunctious as a puppy - I can't imagine the damage it would do with that tail!

Yorkie chi isn't docked - but she doesn't need to be standard since she is a mutt! I love her fluffly tail.

IMHO - Our governments need to spend their time and energy on more important matters than whether we dock or don't dock our dogs' tails. Docked or undocked tails don't effect the environment, world peace or poverty.

[heatherm0890]

Originally Posted by fbmom

Boxer is docked - I think long skinny tails on boxers are very ugly - looks too much like a big rat tail. eew! Besides the boxer is so rambunctious as a puppy - I can't imagine the damage it would do with that tail!

Yorkie chi isn't docked - but she doesn't need to be standard since she is a mutt! I love her fluffly tail.

IMHO - Our governments need to spend their time and energy on more important matters than whether we dock or don't dock our dogs' tails. Docked or undocked tails don't effect the environment, world peace or poverty.

[kezza]

Originally Posted by fbmom

Boxer is docked - I think long skinny tails on boxers are very ugly - looks too much like a big rat tail. eew! Besides the boxer is so rambunctious as a puppy - I can't imagine the damage it would do with that tail!

Yorkie chi isn't docked - but she doesn't need to be standard since she is a mutt! I love her fluffly tail.

IMHO - Our governments need to spend their time and energy on more important matters than whether we dock or don't dock our dogs' tails. Docked or undocked tails don't effect the environment, world peace or poverty.

I wouldn't say ANY breed of dogs NATURAL Tail is ugly If dogs were not meant to have a Tail it would have been eliminated through Genetic manipulation through many generations..
I have seen RSPCA photographs of dead puppies that have died from infection due to inexperienced breeders docking their own puppies (obviously trying to avoid the vet fee) it is heartbreaking...even OLDER dogs with infected stumps where the owner/breeder has decided too late that they want to dock the dogs tail after all..people see these breeds being shown at the dog shows with docked tails so they want that 'look' with their own dog...once people see these breeds winning the top prizes with UNDOCKED tail the better..my honest opinion everyone

[kezza]

http://www.dogtrainingireland.ie/doc...prohibited.pdf

[Brookef18]

Originally Posted by MollysMum54

I really cant see why cropping the tail makes it better for cleanliness, as they are still left with the bit that gets poo on it!
I think it is barbaric and unnecessary to dock a little puppy's tail..If everyone made a stand and refused to dock, it would eventually put an end to it. ( you may be able to tell that its something i feel very strongly about...maybe its because im a nurse!)

My Sadie has her tail, she is over a year now, Chewy has a docked tail, he is over two years. There is no difference in the cleanliness between the two. I have to keep the hair around their butt cut short, both get butt cuts tail or no tail!!!

[Brookef18]

Originally Posted by SusieQ_61397

That was my thoughts exactly. Papers aren't going to change the way I feel about my Yorkie. Didn't mean to offend any one as far as registering their pets. Registering a dog is a matter of preference. I have information on my Yorkie's blood line as well. But like you said roxie...what's the point. I don't plan on breeding him or showing him. I'm just tickled to have a companion that is so excited to see me every day. Wouldn't want it any other way

I have the papers both mine came with but never registered either... I could care less about papers, I'll never show them, breed them, or sell them... they are my babies!!! I just want to love them.

[kezza]

Originally Posted by Brookef18

My Sadie has her tail, she is over a year now, Chewy has a docked tail, he is over two years. There is no difference in the cleanliness between the two. I have to keep the hair around their butt cut short, both get butt cuts tail or no tail!!!

Pixie occasionally gets a mucky butt.. but the mess ends up on the hair down her back legs...she never gets muck on her tail as she lifts her tail when going to the toilet anyway. I too trim the hair short around her little botty.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by kezza

I wouldn't say ANY breed of dogs NATURAL Tail is ugly If dogs were not meant to have a Tail it would have been eliminated through Genetic manipulation through many generations..
I have seen RSPCA photographs of dead puppies that have died from infection due to inexperienced breeders docking their own puppies (obviously trying to avoid the vet fee) it is heartbreaking...even OLDER dogs with infected stumps where the owner/breeder has decided too late that they want to dock the dogs tail after all..people see these breeds being shown at the dog shows with docked tails so they want that 'look' with their own dog...once people see these breeds winning the top prizes with UNDOCKED tail the better..my honest opinion everyone

Dont go blaming show dogs for the tragedies to pets caused by ignorant people. These breeder/dog owners have every opportunity to learn the correct and safe way to dock tails and remove dew claws. They also have other ways of seeing dogs with docked tails, like books of dog breeds. They may get the docking idea from that. Its not just the show dogs that they seem to want to copy.

[kezza]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Dont go blaming show dogs for the tragedies to pets caused by ignorant people. These breeder/dog owners have every opportunity to learn the correct and safe way to dock tails and remove dew claws. They also have other ways of seeing dogs with docked tails, like books of dog breeds. They may get the docking idea from that. Its not just the show dogs that they seem to want to copy.

I'm not blaming the dogs for anything..i'm on THEIR side remember! LOL...

I have have seen many posts from people on here asking to see pictures of yorkies with full tails because they have NEVER seen one! I find this so sad
I'm hoping that one day people will be asking for pictures of yorkies with DOCKED tails because they have never seen one...

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by kezza

I'm not blaming the dogs for anything..i'm on THEIR side remember! LOL...

I have have seen many posts from people on here asking to see pictures of yorkies with full tails because they have NEVER seen one! I find this so sad
I'm hoping that one day people will be asking for pictures of yorkies with DOCKED tails because they have never seen one...

Sorry, I was a lttle harsh. My oppologies to you. It just seems like lately the show dog world gets bashed more and more. I think that tails on Yorkies are cute but as an exhibitor, the tail just doesnt do the dog justice. The same way the Rotts look with a tail. To me they just dont look good. I love my little tailess dogs and believe me, they are still very expressive without it. On the other hand, I love Skye terriers and they do have a beautiful tail!! But, I just had to dock my 13 year olds tail as he had a tumor that couldnt be repaired(not enough skin to close it) and docking it was the only solution. But at least he is alive and well. He doesnt seem to even know its gone!!

[kezza]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Sorry, I was a lttle harsh. My oppologies to you. It just seems like lately the show dog world gets bashed more and more. I think that tails on Yorkies are cute but as an exhibitor, the tail just doesnt do the dog justice. The same way the Rotts look with a tail. To me they just dont look good. I love my little tailess dogs and believe me, they are still very expressive without it. On the other hand, I love Skye terriers and they do have a beautiful tail!! But, I just had to dock my 13 year olds tail as he had a tumor that couldnt be repaired(not enough skin to close it) and docking it was the only solution. But at least he is alive and well. He doesnt seem to even know its gone!!

Hey! no worries! (and no need to apologise either) I know this is one of the most discussed and controversial subjects on here..and something I get quite passionate about.. I understand there will be conflicting views.. usually these threads get closed because some people find it difficult to keep it on an adult level.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

BamaFan, unfortunantly because of people like SusieQ that believe registering their recognized litter with the AKC is unimportant, or notifying them when your dog is deceased, it is possible to register a dog of a one breed as a dog of another.
All one needs is the AKC number of an unregistered, deceased dog, or just one of a dog where the owner doesn't care their dogs number is being used in the lie.
If your puppies litter has been recognized b documents sent in by the breeder, finish the registry. And guard your AKC number like you would your SS#.

Oh I realize that all you would need is the registration form and you could fill it out and say whatever and not get caught unless you were inspected. That was kind of my point...someone did something underhanded and dishonest and it's AKC's fault? Laughable. So what if they filled it out and sent it in and said, "this is for my pig"--it doesn't mean that their pig is a registered dog, it just means that they lied basically and sent in paperwork as if they had something. Just trying to point out that it's a ridiculous incident to use as your "reason" to "not believe" in the standard. It doesn't even make sense and doesn't hold.

[SusieQ_61397]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Oh I realize that all you would need is the registration form and you could fill it out and say whatever and not get caught unless you were inspected. That was kind of my point...someone did something underhanded and dishonest and it's AKC's fault? Laughable. So what if they filled it out and sent it in and said, "this is for my pig"--it doesn't mean that their pig is a registered dog, it just means that they lied basically and sent in paperwork as if they had something. Just trying to point out that it's a ridiculous incident to use as your "reason" to "not believe" in the standard. It doesn't even make sense and doesn't hold.

Like I said earlier today...sure didn't mean to offend anyone! I was just merely stating what I heard. Registering a dog is a preference. So excuse me for making a statement!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SusieQ_61397

Like I said earlier today...sure didn't mean to offend anyone! I was just merely stating what I heard. Registering a dog is a preference. So excuse me for making a statement!

You didn't offend me at all. I just thought it was kind of grasping for straws to discredit an organization and breed based of something you "heard" that isn't even possible. You never know when someone is going to read what you post and take if for fact because they don't know any better. Certainly don't want anyone running around thinking they can actually register a pig and it actually be recognized by AKC.

[SusieQ_61397]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You didn't offend me at all. I just thought it was kind of grasping for straws to discredit an organization and breed based of something you "heard" that isn't even possible. You never know when someone is going to read what you post and take if for fact because they don't know any better. Certainly don't want anyone running around thinking they can actually register a pig and it actually be recognized by AKC.

I totally agree with you on your last sentence. I'm glad I didn't offend you b/c that was the last thing I wanted.