tails?

[LilMissy]

Oh, definitely not! I'm worried as heck about having to get her spayed, or the rabies vaccine. Geesh, talk about protective Mama!

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by vickii-116

needles are needed due to health....like cat declawing, needles are not the same as tails cut off

My point is that the pain is similar, short-lived and not that traumatic.

[vickii-116]

Originally Posted by LilMissy

Oh, definitely not! I'm worried as heck about having to get her spayed, or the rabies vaccine. Geesh, talk about protective Mama!

at least its a health reason.... but i suggest you do not watch the spaying video ...just giving you a heads up in case you decide to watch

[stovesj]

OK...I finally got up the nerve to watch the video and in my observation the puppy was was crying while they were just measuring it's tail and continued crying about the same throughout the video until after it's tail was docked. At the very end before they took the hemostat off, it quit crying. I'm sure there is some discomfort but is it any worse than having baby boys circumcised? I agree, this may seem cruel but it is the breed standard and I don't feel it causes any long term trauma when done at around 3 days old. Just my opinion.

[vickii-116]

Originally Posted by stovesj

OK...I finally got up the nerve to watch the video and in my observation the puppy was was crying while they were just measuring it's tail and continued crying about the same throughout the video until after it's tail was docked. At the very end before they took the hemostat off, it quit crying. I'm sure there is some discomfort but is it any worse than having baby boys circumcised? I agree, this may seem cruel but it is the breed standard and I don't feel it causes any long term trauma when done at around 3 days old. Just my opinion.

he's louder when they cut the tail

[kwaymon]

Originally Posted by stovesj

OK...I finally got up the nerve to watch the video and in my observation the puppy was was crying while they were just measuring it's tail and continued crying about the same throughout the video until after it's tail was docked. At the very end before they took the hemostat off, it quit crying. I'm sure there is some discomfort but is it any worse than having baby boys circumcised? I agree, this may seem cruel but it is the breed standard and I don't feel it causes any long term trauma when done at around 3 days old. Just my opinion.

My thoughts exactly.

Circumcision, ear peircing......

And the puppy was crying before the tail docking. I'm sure it does hurt and it would be nice if we could choose weather or not we get our pups tails docked. But as others have mentioned leaving the tail undocked is not breed standard and I highly doubt there is any more trauma than that of a new born baby getting curcumcised.

[yorkieK9trainer]

I just aided in performing the tail docking on 8 of my Black Russian Terrier puppies when they were three days old.

The puppies were no worse for the wear moments after it was done. In fact, there was no sensitivity issues even hours after the procedure. It's like nothing had changed to them. We had only put in one or two sutures afterwards. It's all you need. The dew claw removal is pretty interesting though, when it's done correctly, it's slightly harder to watch than the tail docking, to those that have never seen either.

Here's a pic of my pups only minutes after their dew claw and tail docking:
btw, I have Yorkies with both tails and docked tails. I certainly prefer the DOCKED tail. Some Yorkies with tails have hair that grows screwy or the tail itself just doesn't do the dog's structure justice.

[piptickle]

I'm so grateful to live a country that has come to its senses and banned these(tail docking/ear cropping) outdated,selfish procedures for purely cosmetic reasons! Of course I agree that if any surgical procedure is needed for the health and safety of an animal then its a necessary evil eg. neutering/docking tails on working animals. There are no increased health/safety or hygiene issues with pet/show/breeding dogs in this country just because we have left them with their tails. Mika has her tail and I don't ever clip or need to wash under her tail, I check her after every toilet trip but theres never been an issue. I realize since I'm growing her hair that it may become an issue but I'd much rather spend some of my time each day tending to her needs and cleaning her rather than deprive her of an extremely important part of her body! Having two breeds that were traditionally docked I can see how vital their tails are everyday, they use them to communicate in ways that would be impossible with a stump, there are never any serious arguments between my dogs. I can tell by their tails straight away if theres anything wrong and they can tell each other that they're sorry when a problem arises their facial expressions and body language are the last signs, their tails do all the talking and keep the peace in our house!

[cheryl19]

Originally Posted by piptickle

I'm so grateful to live a country that has come to its senses and banned these(tail docking/ear cropping) outdated,selfish procedures for purely cosmetic reasons! Of course I agree that if any surgical procedure is needed for the health and safety of an animal then its a necessary evil eg. neutering/docking tails on working animals. There are no increased health/safety or hygiene issues with pet/show/breeding dogs in this country just because we have left them with their tails. Mika has her tail and I don't ever clip or need to wash under her tail, I check her after every toilet trip but theres never been an issue. I realize since I'm growing her hair that it may become an issue but I'd much rather spend some of my time each day tending to her needs and cleaning her rather than deprive her of an extremely important part of her body! Having two breeds that were traditionally docked I can see how vital their tails are everyday, they use them to communicate in ways that would be impossible with a stump, there are never any serious arguments between my dogs. I can tell by their tails straight away if theres anything wrong and they can tell each other that they're sorry when a problem arises their facial expressions and body language are the last signs, their tails do all the talking and keep the peace in our house!

You are on the money about being able to tell how they feel by looking at their tails. The only thing I wish Ivy did get done was to have her dew claws taken off (only because of health reasons ) But they are all so cute with or without.

[MollysMum54]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I dont think that its as traumatic as most people think. My puppies only cry for about a minute and then they are put back on mom. I never hear another distress peep out of them. Alot of docking and cropping are done for cleanliness and health issues, especially dew claws. But it seems to be a cruel world: babies are circumsized, lambs tails are docked and goats horns are burned off, ears and other body parts are pierced, animals are spayed, neutered, gelded and bulls have rings in their noses. These, to me, seem much worse than docking tails on Yorkies.

I really cant see why cropping the tail makes it better for cleanliness, as they are still left with the bit that gets poo on it!
I think it is barbaric and unnecessary to dock a little puppy's tail..If everyone made a stand and refused to dock, it would eventually put an end to it. ( you may be able to tell that its something i feel very strongly about...maybe its because im a nurse!)

[MollysMum54]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Here's a pic of my pups only minutes after their dew claw and tail docking:
btw, I have Yorkies with both tails and docked tails. I certainly prefer the DOCKED tail. Some Yorkies with tails have hair that grows screwy or the tail itself just doesn't do the dog's structure justice.

Why anyone would want to inflict unnecessary pain on their little babies is beyond my comprehension...bizzarre!

[beemidiwfe]

How many of you had your sons circumcised?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by beemidiwfe

How many of you had your sons circumcised?

Or, as I mentioned before, think nothing of having a young daughter's ears pierced?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by stovesj

OK...I finally got up the nerve to watch the video and in my observation the puppy was was crying while they were just measuring it's tail and continued crying about the same throughout the video until after it's tail was docked. At the very end before they took the hemostat off, it quit crying. I agree, this may seem cruel but it is the breed standard and I don't feel it causes any long term trauma when done at around 3 days old. Just my opinion.

I agree. I noticed the dogs were whining just as much when they were measuring the tail than when they actually cut it.

I actually have had several pups who never even woke up when the tails were docked. The reason it's done at such an early age is because the circulation and nerve activity is not yet funtioning fully. Of course, it can still be a painful procedure if the one performing it doesn't know what they are doing, go figure.

As with every other time this subject comes up, I like to sit back and wait for the Europe/USA comparisons and insinuations of how barbaric and inhumane we are here. I'm surprised the thread went as far as it did before it came about this time.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by vickii-116

i just think its wrong for the breeders to have cut your puppy's tail off without asking... for any puppy and owner

It's done when the pup is only a few days old. At that point (in the majority of cases) the puppies have not be choseen by or placed with the new/future owners, so it would make it impossible to request of the breeder that the tail be left intact....so I'm confused at how that is "wrong." I guess the option would be if you are not supportive of the practice, get a dog from a breeder who doesn't dock...