designer pups...???

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Proof about what? Maybe you are right about what? Sorry, you lost me on that one.




No, there aren't. You cannot base what is best/typical for a dog from what is best/typical for a woman. The reproductive cycles and overall process are vastly contrasting to one another.


Yes, on this we agree--I do not think it is safe to breed a female under 5 pounds either.



Of course it's the best way, I don't think anyone would claim otherwise. However, c-sections are sometimes neccessary as we all know. And depending on the contributing factors, it doesn't neccessarily mean that it would be unsafe to breed the bitch again.

And again, you stated earlier that a smaller stud should be used if it were to be tried again...I would still be interested in your reasoning behind that statement.

a small stud is important
but a larger female can whelp easier
and check the pedigrees.. but they dont state weights
i figure the male must contribute PART of the size gene..
i dont think size is completely determined by mom..
although i have read that... where is proof of that?
between 5-7 lbs is the appropriate weight for a breeding female
there are more similarities than differences in the breeding
of humans versus dogs.. very similar reproduction in my opinion
obviously open for debate

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by wildcard

Anyone who can afford to care for a dog can afford a pet from a show breeder. It is a matter of saving your money and purchasing it with that savings. This is how I bought my dogs before I had the disposable income I have now. I put back $100 a month and when I had the purchase price I asked to be put on a puppy list. No immediate gratification but I got wonderful pets. I don't buy the "x" breed is only for rich people. Everyone can save their money, give up meals out, stop smoking, whatever it takes. If you can't do that how will youi afford vet and other expenses after you have the dog?

IMO this is one of the best posts I've read on YT to date.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

a small stud is important
but a larger female can whelp easier
and check the pedigrees.. but they dont state weights
i figure the male must contribute PART of the size gene..
i dont think size is completely determined by mom..
although i have read that... where is proof of that?

I never said that size was determined by only the dam or only the sire. What I said was that using a smaller stud was not the universal answer to how to breed a female again with a lesser risk of c-section. There are many different reasons that a c-section could be needed--it is NOT limited to just the sizes/weights of the breeding pair. Size is not the only plausible cause for 'what went wrong.' Therefore, only addressing that issue would not neccessarily be correct in all cases. Advising that you just need to 'use a smaller stud' would not be good advice.

Originally Posted by cesar49

between 5-7 lbs is the appropriate weight for a breeding female

In most cases, yes.

Originally Posted by cesar49

there are more similarities than differences in the breeding
of humans versus dogs.. very similar reproduction in my opinion

Such as? There are NOT many similarities. You cannot use one to judge the other. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I never said that size was determined by only the dam or only the sire. What I said was that using a smaller stud was not the universal answer to how to breed a female again with a lesser risk of c-section. There are many different reasons that a c-section could be needed--it is NOT limited to just the sizes/weights of the breeding pair. Size is not the only plausible cause for 'what went wrong.' Therefore, only addressing that issue would not neccessarily be correct in all cases. Advising that you just need to 'use a smaller stud' would not be good advice.


In most cases, yes.



Such as? There are NOT many similarities. You cannot use one to judge the other. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

this is so funny

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

this is so funny

No, it's really not. :P It's an insane notion that people are beign advised upon, that's the bad part.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

No, it's really not. :P It's an insane notion that people are beign advised upon, that's the bad part.

BamaFan this is all common sense type stuff if you want to try and compare female human to a female dog. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.

This is why I find this thread that started out as designer dogs and now has jumped to humans and animals. I know most people would like to think their dog is human, but they are NOT. Sorry, but I refuse to be compared to a B @@## as one poster stated. I do take a offense to that as others should.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

BamaFan this is all common sense type stuff if you want to try and compare female human to a female dog. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.

This is why I find this thread that started out as designer dogs and now has jumped to humans and animals. I know most people would like to think their dog is human, but they are NOT. Sorry, but I refuse to be compared to a B @@## as one poster stated. I do take a offense to that as others should.

Trust me...you and I are on the same page with the same thinking here.

[bchgirl]

I had a c section...maybe I should've used a smaller stud.

[DvlshAngel985]

hahaha!!! I bet your current "stud" wouldn't be to happy with that!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

hahaha!!! I bet your current "stud" wouldn't be to happy with that!

Well quite possible, neither would she for that matter.

[kay6688]

Originally Posted by Ines3185lyorkie

I am not for someone making money because the dog is in "fashion".

BUT........ ALL DOGS THAT ARE NOW RECOGNIZED BY AKC..ETC..HAVE COME FROM MIXING OF BREEDS.

It is everybody's right to buy whatever dog type they want, they should not feel persecuted or ashamed for doing so. the only one that should judge anyone is GOD!

I have the most adorable & best behaved dog I have ever owned-he is a yorkipoo & I didn't set out to get a mix. I have owned many pure bred dogs -but this little guy has been the best out of all of my fur babies. I have stated before the same as above-ALL DOGS THAT ARE NOW RECOGNIZED BY AKC..ETC..HAVE COME FROM MIXING OF BREEDS

Hugs-Kay & Jaxon

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

I had a c section...maybe I should've used a smaller stud.

[megansmomma]

I would just like to comment on this thread since I was one of the very first people to comment on this question that was posed to the forum. Over the past week, I have come back here several time to look over many of the comments made back and forth between some members of this forum. I own a MORKIE~or a maltese/yorkie mix and am also the owner of a larger yorkie who is 12 lbs. Many people that have posted to this thread would disappove of both of my dogs but I still love them.

For the past week this thread has been at the VERY TOP of the General Discussion forum. With that being said, when I was a lurker as I was for over a year reading all of the arguing, name calling and down right mean spirited behavior that has been said over the past week, it would have made me RUN from this wonderful forum. The impression that is given by a handful of members within this commumity is not welcoming.

Prior to bringing home my first yorkie I was looking for information on this breed and if I would have come here to see all of this negative banter, I would never have returned. That is sad since I have learned so much very useful information from the many nice, friendly and caring people here.

I understand NOW after learning from YT that their is a standard for the Yorkie, there are backyard breeders and puppymills~I learned that HERE on YT while lurking. I was also fortunate enough not to come across anything like this thread when I first stumbled upon this site. I would have RUN from this type of group.

There seems to be a group of posters on here that find a rush in jumping into a discussion to just bash away without regard to how their strong feels might offend others or cause ill feelings. Some people will try to defend themselve to this type of behavior but others will just leave and never return. I have seen this with new member that have been jumped on when they were trying to find information only to be driven away. I have also posted to a thread and had these same people post negative comments and make a nice thread turn ugly very quickly. I do not believe that this is why this community was started.

When names like "mutt" are tossed around people will take offense, when the only place to get a mixed breed is the pound, people will take offense, if your yorkie is large and not standard, people will take offense. If I am told that the pet that I have opened my home to and love whole heartedly is not as valuable as yours~yes I will take offense to that as well.
If you look at my very first post it referred to others with Morkies and it was totally overlooked and the bashing and fighting began! This is all very sad!

If I came to your home and told you that I didn't like you how you raised your children, the car that you drove or the way you kept your home you would take offense. It really is the same thing here, our dogs are part of our lives and families and when you attack something or someone that we love it is only a natural human instict called fight or flight.

I am not looking for a fight only understanding to others feelings.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I would just like to comment on this thread since I was one of the very first people to comment on this question that was posed to the forum. Over the past week, I have come back here several time to look over many of the comments made back and forth between some members of this forum. I own a MORKIE~or a maltese/yorkie mix and am also the owner of a larger yorkie who is 12 lbs. Many people that have posted to this thread would disappove of both of my dogs but I still love them. . . .

I'm not sure if you understand what's being said by many of us, we don't disapprove of the dogs; we disapprove of the breeding of those dogs. This is entirely different. I have a purebred Yorkie, and he a great little dog, but I also disapprove of someone breeding him because he probably has some fault, I'm not aware of it, that's for sure, but I only believe in breeding the best of the best. Now if there were a shortage of dogs that would be different. In the fish world, breeders cull the fish of unwanted colors, it's almost like that's what were doing in the dog world, we wait until there an adult, and if no one likes the way they look, we kill them.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm not sure if you understand what's being said by many of us, we don't disapprove of the dogs; we disapprove of the breeding of those dogs. This is entirely different. I have a purebred Yorkie, and he a great little dog, but I also disapprove of someone breeding him because he probably has some fault, I'm not aware of it, that's for sure, but I only believe in breeding the best of the best. Now if there were a shortage of dogs that would be different. In the fish world, breeders cull the fish of unwanted colors, it's almost like that's what were doing in the dog world, we wait until there an adult, and if no one likes the way they look, we kill them.

I understand what you are saying BUT that was not my point in my post. It is understood that their is overpopulation in the dog world and unfortunately many dogs and cats are put to death every year. I agree with this very sad problem that needs to be addressed. But~it is not fair to attack people who already have pets and are posting in this forum because of their choice of pets. I have seen MANY of the posters to this thread that have in the past make unnecessary and unkind responses to posters that have innocently come to this forum announcing their new pet, asking about a certain breeder that they purchased their puppy from, threads titled specifically to Morkie owners and these mean spirited individuals jump onto these threads and ATTACK. That is what is disturbing to me. There is one profile that I looked at that proudly stated-In my free time I like to bash puppymills and byb for a hobby!"- I have been following this person and SURE enough that is exactly what they are doing. Jumping into nice posts and adding their unwelcome bashing is unnecessary and drives people from the forum.

I am not trying to change peoples opinion of BYB and puppymills but some one these same people are intentionally mean spirited and that is what I truly find unnecessary and upsetting.