What do you think of Mixed Breeds?

[royalpuppies]

Originally Posted by Rex'z momma

Marc-o same concept who can look at Rex and say oh he is a Mix ..so what! can you NOT love this face? i will just never forget what happened on a walk. someone pulled up next to us looked interested in Rex and asked his breed. When i told this man he wass a mix he frowned and told me he belonged on the street. wel of course i told this B!%* to leave but it still hurt

I know what you mean and this hapens every day to many people. It's like rasicm for dogs now!!

I know how sad it is being told that you dog belongs on a street. This is the unaceptible outrages I HATE!! people thinking they are actually better because they have a piece of paper for thier dogs that states PURE BRED. I think both pure breds are the same as mixed in terms of love and caring. I agree that there are many dogs in shelters but even then I sell Morkies and if I don't sell them believe me shelters don't empty because of that there will alwaysbe 100 breeders makign these puppies pure bred and mixed in mass quantity more than what I make or can even handle. So it's a losing fight sorry to say unless new laws where to come out NOW!!

[Ashantay]

Originally Posted by Rex'z momma

Thanks for clearing your post up for me. i really appreciate it. LMAO im sometimes scraed to enter the mixed breed forums. LMAO it makes me think that Rex is worthless and belongs in a pound. i know its not true but sometimes thats the vibe i get.

Hun I have mixed dogs and I would pay a million dollars if I could afford it to keep them healthy and happy. Really the price paid is up to you ... You found Rex and fell in love with him and Rex is a dog and therefor worth his weight in gold and more I am sure... I said under a previous post that I was done with the conversation so I only am posting to let you know that Rex is a beautiful dog and worth everything you paid for him and more I just would not cross breed on purpose myself if I ever became a breeder. And I for sure would be able to answer each and every question that was thrown at me about my dogs if I did breed.

[royalpuppies]

Originally Posted by Fran42478

I do not think anyone is saying that mixed bred dog or purebred dogs are not both equally beautiful, cute, adorable etc...I think that people, such as myself are worried about over-population of these animals which we all hold precious...Purebred or not...

As for the dogs "value"...Wheter Sammi was 200 bucks or 1800 bucks I feel in love with her...Her "value" to me is not monetary...It it WAY WAY more than that...I think the whole "debate" to me is just people seeing what is in the shelters (mostly mixed breeds) and trying to prevent it from getting even more overpopulated...

I hope I made some kinda sense...I have not had my coffee yet

Fran and Sammi

I understand but unless new RULES ARE MADE FAST!!! the Mixed dogs will win the fight, especially since i have found ofer 100 puppy mills online (NOT BREEDERS PUPPY MILLS) ok soem have 15 different names but is the same person but I found 100 different names of puppy farms (mills). which product mixed breeds in mass quantity. What to do? I would suggest the CKC AND AKC offer registration for these puppies as a MIXED MUTT OR ANYTHIGN ELSE they want to call it make this registration very good so the puppy mills will want to have their puppies registered (clients will ask for it that way) and then BAM!!! catch them all on the act. the CKC AND AKC could check how many puppies are registered per day month week or year and base findings on standards as to (if it a puppy mill or not) This could work and people could make complaints. Directly to the CKC as sometimes (CITY HALL OR SPCA cannot do much) you have to understand that puppy mills are not entirely illegal (if the puppy has shelter food and water plus a clean environement then they are legal.) But if you create a mixed breed registry where the only time someone would want to purchase a mixed breed is registered on there then the CKC could deny application to registering litter and they would have to stop breeding in mass quantities. In the long run this could work but I don't see a solution by tomorrow morning.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by apaprikao

I would be willing to pay a breeder for a purebred puppy. They payed for their dogs and bred them, hopefully, with care and put money into them. I would NOT however pay a "breeder" for a mutt or mixed breed.

Why not?

This reasoning is not logical imo. A breeder who breeds two different purebreds together also pays for their dogs, with care and puts money into them....

Why is the mixed breed dog of less value to you if all else is the same, it's cute, great personality, healthy? What is really the difference?

I don't understand your argument.

IMO people who try to make this argument shouldn't complain that people who buy the mixed or socalled "designer" breeds are into the "status" thing because it could be argued that it is the person who owns the purebred who is really the "status" lover and wants a purebred so they can be proud and people will know they paid more. it makes sense since they value the purebred so much more.

I do not believe this but the argument can easily be turned around.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by royalpuppies

I understand but unless new RULES ARE MADE FAST!!! the Mixed dogs will win the fight, especially since i have found ofer 100 puppy mills online (NOT BREEDERS PUPPY MILLS) ok soem have 15 different names but is the same person but I found 100 different names of puppy farms (mills). which product mixed breeds in mass quantity. What to do? I would suggest the CKC AND AKC offer registration for these puppies as a MIXED MUTT OR ANYTHIGN ELSE they want to call it make this registration very good so the puppy mills will want to have their puppies registered (clients will ask for it that way) and then BAM!!! catch them all on the act. the CKC AND AKC could check how many puppies are registered per day month week or year and base findings on standards as to (if it a puppy mill or not) This could work and people could make complaints. Directly to the CKC as sometimes (CITY HALL OR SPCA cannot do much) you have to understand that puppy mills are not entirely illegal (if the puppy has shelter food and water plus a clean environement then they are legal.) But if you create a mixed breed registry where the only time someone would want to purchase a mixed breed is registered on there then the CKC could deny application to registering litter and they would have to stop breeding in mass quantities. In the long run this could work but I don't see a solution by tomorrow morning.

Innovative idea.

[Babbie]

Why do you decide to breed a certain type of dog? Because you love the breed...i just cannot understand why instead of trying to keep the characteristics of the breed you try to destroy it. Why mix it? That is what i cannot understand...i would never buy a mix dog, and that does not mean that purebreds are better or worth more than a mix...hell no, i have a chi mix that i adopted from the pound and he is worth the same as my purebred yorkie...and even being a mix did not mean he is healthier, we alread spent more with vet bills with him than with my 2 purebred dogs together. But by buying it we are helping this type of "bussiness" grow...and i don;t care if other people will do it, i just care that i am doing my part by alerting people of this practice.

You can say that a purebred takes also a place of a pound puppy and it might even be true...but purebred pedigreed dogs are always on demand and are easier to find a home, it is sad but true. But between having dogs bred to achieve the breed standard and mutts...i rather breed purebreds. If everybody bred responsably this would not happen...and there's no way in hell any breeder can guarantee that one of the puppies they sold will never end up in a shelter...

There is no way to make a breed better, you can make heathier, but the breed has already been established...and i am sorry, a mix to me even being from 2 purebred dogs and coming from "champion" lines still a mutt. And i don;t mean as i personall attack on anybody on anyone...most of my life my family had dogs that were found on the street...but to buy a mutt, never!

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

To me, Marc-o- seems very sincere and he seems to genuinely love dogs. I, for one, would not be so harsh as to say he "breeds these dogs PURELY for profit" anymore than I would make that judgment about a purebred breeder I did not know. I believe that to be in the "dog" business in any way, you have have a genuine passion for animals in general and dogs in particular.

I just thought that comment was a bit harsh.

Oh for Gods sake Kim!!!! I won't use the word PURELY ok? He breeds for profit.There, happy now? We had a conversation about gouging yesterday, I really didn't want to revisit it but I will if need be.
Of course morkies are adorable, ALL puppies are adorable. I do think it is wrong to charge 1200 bucks for one, but then I think it is wrong to charge 8000 dollars for a pet yorkie. To me it is a question of ethics plain and simple.

[royalpuppies]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Why not?

This reasoning is not logical imo. A breeder who breeds two different purebreds together also pays for their dogs, with care and puts money into them....

Why is the mixed breed dog of less value ot you if all else is the same, it's cute, great personality, healthy? What is really the difference?

I don't understand your argument.

IMO people who try to make this argument shouldn't complain that people who buy the mixed or socalled "designer" breeds are into the "status" thing because it could be argued that it is the person who owns the purebred who is really the "status" lover and wants a purebred so they can be proud and people will know they paid more. it makes sense since they value the purebred so much more.

I do not believe this but the argument can easily be turned around.

Please understand that the status is not always there though and there are some people who do not haev anythign wrong mith pure or mixed breeds. And here in Canada we see it more often in cities that the Mixed dog will be more popular than the pure breeds. But don't get me wrong they don't all fight over this it's like any general asumtion of the world there are some good people and some bad people. I guess we will se stuck to deal with it for a while.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by [I

Babbiei just cannot understand why instead of trying to keep the characteristics of the breed you try to destroy it.[/I]

I think there will always be purebred dogs. I do not think that "adding" new breeds or mixes means you destroy or weaken the exisiting breeds. I think this a false argument. Breeders of purebreds will not stop if they are purely breeding to "improve the breed" and for the betterment of their beloved breed.

If a particular breed were to disappear then it will be because people no longer value it and that is just the nature of things.

This would never happen with the yorkie!

[Rex'z momma]

There is a new post on this thread every 2 seconds! it makes my head spin

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by Rex'z momma

There is a new post on this thread every 2 seconds! it makes my head spin

Geeez I know! I'm having trouble keeping up with all the comments.

[Babbie]

I donnot care for breeders that breed only to make money. Don;t get me wrong, not all purebred will be show quality, hell, Mojo is not even close, but the breeder always aims to reach the standard and is in it for love and not profit. What can you say about a mix breed breeder? It does as it please, and i dont mean by the health issues...i am not tring to judge anybody, just giving my opinion.

At the moment that you take a yorkie and you make a "morkie" you are creating a mix breed and distroying the characteristics of the yorkie and maltese standards.

And i would have a mix, and i do, but i would never buy from a breeder who intentionally does it. To me it is no different from puppy mills and backyard breeders. IMO.

[royalpuppies]

Originally Posted by Babbie

Why do you decide to breed a certain type of dog? Because you love the breed...i just cannot understand why instead of trying to keep the characteristics of the breed you try to destroy it. Why mix it? NOT TO DESTROY IT TO CHANGE IT!!! and the mix is also beautiful and has not cost my customent 1 penny in vet bills other than the boosters. (vaccines). And I do agree the breeder makes a big difference. If I breed any yorkie with any maltese to make a Morkie I will still get a Morkie but the quality and health of the dog can be compromised. And I do as best I can to make sure this doesn't happen. AND YES I admit at the same time I make some cah, hell I have no job and if I where to get one would I leave my puppies alone for that long>? think abotu it breeding is full time. and takes allot out of you. It's not as easy as you say it is. That is what i cannot understand...i would never buy a mix dog, and that does not mean that purebreds are better or worth more than a mix...hell no, i have a chi mix that i adopted from the pound and he is worth the same as my purebred yorkie...and even being a mix did not mean he is healthier, we alread spent more with vet bills with him than with my 2 purebred dogs together. But by buying it we are helping this type of "bussiness" grow...and i don;t care if other people will do it, i just care that i am doing my part by alerting people of this practice.

You can say that a purebred takes also a place of a pound puppy and it might even be true...but purebred pedigreed dogs are always on demand and are easier to find a home NOT TRUE!, it is sad but trueNOT TRUE!. But between having dogs bred to achieve the breed standard and mutts...i rather breed purebreds.Mixes can eventually have their own standards you know it just has to start somewhere for me it starts here. If everybody bred responsably this would not happen...and there's no way in hell any breeder can guarantee that one of the puppies they sold will never end up in a shelter...No guarantee's but a hell of a lot less chance!

There is no way to make a breed better, you can make heathier, but the breed has already been established...and i am sorry, a mix to me even being from 2 purebred dogs and coming from "champion" lines still a muttOhh i know it is still a Mutt to you but you could also say that all yorkies are MUTTS and all other breeds as well after all they all descedned from 2 or more different types of wolves MANY MANY MANY MANY years ago! Then a breed was esteblished and a standard was made for many breeds (I am simply trying to add to that list of breeds you can call it a mutt is you want but at the same time you are also calling the so called pure bred a mutt as well) they are the exact same thing the only differentce is the Morkie for example is created LATER where it is not accepted yet. The Yorkie is no different otehr that the fact that you can get a piece of paper from the CKC OR AKC you you have a yorkie and by the way you actually paid for this HA HA HA!!. And i don;t mean as i personall attack on anybody on anyone...most of my life my family had dogs that were found on the street...but to buy a mutt, never!No offence taken it's your decision.

I know by experience that the CKC and AKC love to charge clients for registration of litters. They have become the best registries representing their countries. But they also make money off it! There will always be pure breeds no matter how long it take they will probably not be as popular in the future but it will always be there. don't forget that I mix CREATE a new puppy if the Yorkie Maltese Chihuahua or any other breeds is not perfect for one then maybe the Morkie will be perfect for others! It's as simple there are many breeds but don't tell me that in all the breeds there is everyone has the dog they want EXACTLY. They fall in love with it and later says it's perfect but it's really unconditional love. With can be done with any breed pure or mix. The mix is different that's all there is to it! If someone wants a different dog the the mix is there why complicate thing by asking why it exists. It obvious that it's as a companion they do exist and it's for a reason. Soem people like the mixes better than the Pure bred dogs so really I breed them for demand. No one would breed the Yorkie is no one wanted any right? Same for the Morkie Chorkie and any other breed. People fall in love and purchase them and it's not always for SHOW!!! the the posts with the cutsie names thing (MORKIE) is a name representing a mix M for maltese and orkie for yorkie so people know by simply reading the name what the mix has been bred with. Ohh and by the way all breeders breed for either MONEY!!$$$$ of FAME!! They would not breed if there was nothing to gain. It's a servie provided and that's what I do I breed dogs of course I love dogs take good care of them and also make money . I am not doing this for fame though as I do not SHOW MY DOGS!. I am not sayign doing this for Money is wrong or doing it for Fame is wrong it's just a reason of doing it. But don't tell em one day someone woke up and said hey ill improve the breed!! and I will make no money off it! It doesn't happen that way of course improving the breed is one of your objectives but not a reason. It is simply a catch that some people use to tell you that they are better than others. I would not make a breed worse and if oru Morkies and Chorkies would have health issues I would not breed them (personally) . Of course If i wanted to make only money and not care about the dogs I would have a puppy mill myself. But I do care and we even decided to have al dogs inside our home with access to outside at will. I have many dogs and some people say they don't get the attention they deserve, I will be honest if the dog where alone I would agree but even when I am with the dogs they don't ask for much because they have each other to play with and they also have social status in the pack's . I play with them as well but once I throw the tug o war ropes no adult nor puppy is playing with me they start playing with wach other I am actually lef out. So they don't miss me or they would be after me 24/7. But to say that the dogs are lonely here because I have so many... IT'S FALSE! untrue! and I do not like accusations like this. And I don't have that many.

[Ponyup]

First let me say I love MUTTS. I found a mutt on the road when I was 10 and lured it home. She was my dog it followed me everywhere. She was my best friend when I didn't have any. She had been badly abused (would never come near any man) and thrown out onto the side of the road. It looks like hell right now. it's deaf, blind, and can't control it's bowels....it's coat is aweful because it's terrified of clippers, but it has a home and it is loved.

That being said I think the reason choose purebreds over mixes (and why they may be worth more) is there is more of a history to the personality of the dog (unless the dog is it's own grandpa). When you make a mix you are hoping to get the best of both breeds and this is great, but that doesn't always happen. It's like to people having kids if that always happened we'd have millions of gorgeous, nice people, but it doesn't. It's a mix of traits and characterists. What if a poor pup gets all the bad traits of both parents....is anyone going to want that pup. With a purebreed there is more of guaranty what the pups personality and look with be and i feel that's why they are more in demand.

Just so no one gets affended....i think Rex is the cutest dog ever and if anyone asked me what kinda dog he is I'd tell him he's the kind that makes a great friend.

[PetitePawz]

I'm very curious how you manage to remain a member in good standing with the Canadian Kennel Club?
The CKC has [U]very strict rules[/U] for any and all members.The rules are clear.... You are not permitted to breed.... and or sell mixed breed dogs!PERIOD Each month the official section comes out with a long list of members in violation( Who have been fined, penalised and or had full membership to the CKC revoked for selling and breeding Mixed breed dogs.
I personally choose to follow the rules that the Canadian Kennel Club has outlined in the membership Guidelines in order to remain a member in good standing.
I think ("morkies" are adorable)However!
If your interest is in selling mixed breed dogs< and you have a right to do so>Just not as a Canadian Kennel Club Member... lol
This is why and how so many other registration clubs have started!
I am not familiar with any other registries here in Canada but know that many exsist in the states.