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Toby'sMama · 02-06-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by calaryn yorkies

Biewers have already been accepted as a breed in many countries as well as Canada and America. So ARBA is only the newest venue. As far as the new genetic test.....? What Science have you based your statement on? Real science and genetics or hearsay? The "what's your dog" or the "mixed breed heredity tests" only can go as far as 3 generations. Does not do coat color, genetic diseases, coat length, color patterns etc. So a Parti Yorkie, Biewer or regular Yorkie tests the same at this point in those tests. Don't be fooled into giving your money for a test that says...yup, Yorkie.

Parti Yorkies have coloration randomly. Biewers have an established pattern and strict standard.

Perhaps this should be moved to a new thread? I love discussing the breeds....BTW I still have my heart tied to Yorkies and can't live without them.

Just thought I'd add a link here, so everyone can read through and make their own decisions regarding ARBA. It does bring up some interesting points.

http://www.thedogpress.com/SideEffec...lop_Barber.asp

As far as the MARS test, I think I'll wait until they get their bugs worked out. As much as I tried, I just can't see where a Bernese Mountain Dog and a Saluki has been introduced into the background of my cute little black/blue white and gold Biewer. Although, I could somewhat consider the Saluki when the little rat takes off around the back of the house chasing birds...
These are some of the breeds that the MARS testing have included in the background of the Biewer. Based on their website, they can only test back to the 3rd generation. Hmmm???

Sass · 02-06-2008, 12:23 PM

I think that Biewers are adorable, but I prefer the look of the traditional Yorkie.

Ladymom · 02-06-2008, 02:15 PM

It's interesting to read what the YTCA has to say about Parti Yorkies and genetics:

Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?

Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

The Yorkshire Terrier is a tan dog with a blue saddle. The “rare gold” Yorkie is actually a dog that appears as such due to an improper saddle pattern. Show breeders have seen this and commonly call it running gold. When the dog is cut down, you can see that the blue saddle does not come down far enough. The Yorkshire Terrier blue saddle extends lower than some of the other black and tan terriers extending to the elbow and also to the hock on the rear leg. Gold hairs can occur in the blue and black or blue hairs can appear in the gold. These faults are addressed in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard. These dogs have serious faults and they too should not be sold as "rare" but placed in loving homes as they are very incorrect. Yorkies do not have white markings…never have. A small white strip is sometimes seen on the chest of newborns but this always turns to tan within a few weeks. The AKC registration form for Yorkshire Terriers allows for four choices: blue and tan, blue and gold, black and tan, black and gold. There is no provision for markings.

A brief history of the development of the Yorkshire Terrier will show that the dog was developed in the 1800’s. In England, the Waterside Terrier was often crossed with the old English terrier, a silky coated black and tan or blue and tan terrier weighing around five pounds. When crafters from Scotland came into England, they brought several “Scotch“terriers, among them the Paisley and the Clydesdale. The Paisley was a small silky coated dog in various shades of blue. The Clydesdale was a blue and tan dog with the exact color pattern as the Yorkie of today. All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today. The color pattern and coat texture has bred true and has been dominate enough that the Silky Terrier evolved by crossing the Yorkshire Terrier and the Australian Terrier with basically the same coat of the of the Yorkie.

http://www.ytca.org/faq.html

Tnyorkiemom · 02-06-2008, 03:41 PM

they are a yorkie....just with the pie bald gene......they happened by accident and were not actually gonna be sold....but everyone seeing them started asking for pups and offerning a lot of money for them.....it is described as a gene mutation......and they are just starting to be recognized as a breed themselves....you can only get purebred puppies reg in germany right now....but both akc and ckc are considering it......our little smokey is the result of a standard yorkie mom and a biewer daddy.....hope this helps

livingdustmops · 02-07-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

they are a yorkie....just with the pie bald gene......they happened by accident and were not actually gonna be sold....but everyone seeing them started asking for pups and offerning a lot of money for them.....it is described as a gene mutation......and they are just starting to be recognized as a breed themselves....you can only get purebred puppies reg in germany right now....but both akc and ckc are considering it......our little smokey is the result of a standard yorkie mom and a biewer daddy.....hope this helps

Just to make a few little corrections here. I have never read that Mr. Biewer who developed this breed after showing Yorkies for years in Germany did it for money. He showed and bred Yorkies for over twenty years. He bought 2 pedigreed Yorkies (Blue and Tan marketings) and when they were bred in 1984, in the litter were Yorkies with white markings (piebald recessive gene). He was very intrigued by this and spent many years developing this breed so the marketings were stamped on this breed (white chest and belly, white legs and white on the tip of the tail - with a tri-colored face) through inbreeding and line breeding. In fact I doubt he sold many of these dogs so he could develop what we know as the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. In 1989 the Biewers were recognized as a breed themselves through the German ACH and a standard was published. In 2003 the first Biewers were imported to the United States.

There are now registries in the US to register purebred Biewers as a number of clubs felt that DNA testing was very important. Many of these pups have dual registry (German and US) but it is important to document the litters through DNA in the US for the future of the Biewers.

It will probably be a long time before the AKC recognizes the Biewers through the FSS process or the Canadian Kennel Club. The FSS (http://www.akc.org/breeds/fss_breeds.cfm) has very strong requirements before they will allow a rare breed to be recognized in the AKC.

There are two show venues that Biewer owners can show their dogs (The IABCA and the NAKC). A 3rd group was just added, ARBA but this just happened and a lot of controversy surrounds how the Biewers were brought in to this organization.

Time and patience is needed to see how this wonderful little dog will do in the US and Canada and thank goodness there are enough reputable breeders that understand this and will take the time to develop this dog.

lilfoot · 02-07-2008, 06:03 AM

I love the look of the Biewer. Would love to own one someday. Could someone tell me what the price ranges are...so I can start saving??? Do they have the same temperment as the Yorkie?

Tnyorkiemom · 02-07-2008, 08:50 AM

as far as i have seen they are close in temperment.....a proven purebred can run aroun 3000-5000..........very expensive......but they bred pretty true to the bred and seem to be healthy little things...my breeder just had a litter in Dec.....2 pups.....she is keeping the female but is selling the male......last i heard he was 2800 with shipping i think......he is now 9 wks........very very cute........her web site is www.yorkiehousetn.com ...........breeder....has the nicest and cleanest kennels i have ever seen....heated and airconditioned and probably cleaner than most homes......her babies are very well taken care for......

AprilLove · 02-07-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Just to make a few little corrections here. I have never read that Mr. Biewer who developed this breed after showing Yorkies for years in Germany did it for money. He showed and bred Yorkies for over twenty years. He bought 2 pedigreed Yorkies (Blue and Tan marketings) and when they were bred in 1984, in the litter were Yorkies with white markings (piebald recessive gene). He was very intrigued by this and spent many years developing this breed so the marketings were stamped on this breed (white chest and belly, white legs and white on the tip of the tail - with a tri-colored face) through inbreeding and line breeding. In fact I doubt he sold many of these dogs so he could develop what we know as the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. In 1989 the Biewers were recognized as a breed themselves through the German ACH and a standard was published. In 2003 the first Biewers were imported to the United States.

There are now registries in the US to register purebred Biewers as a number of clubs felt that DNA testing was very important. Many of these pups have dual registry (German and US) but it is important to document the litters through DNA in the US for the future of the Biewers.

It will probably be a long time before the AKC recognizes the Biewers through the FSS process or the Canadian Kennel Club. The FSS (http://www.akc.org/breeds/fss_breeds.cfm) has very strong requirements before they will allow a rare breed to be recognized in the AKC.

There are two show venues that Biewer owners can show their dogs (The IABCA and the NAKC). A 3rd group was just added, ARBA but this just happened and a lot of controversy surrounds how the Biewers were brought in to this organization.

Time and patience is needed to see how this wonderful little dog will do in the US and Canada and thank goodness there are enough reputable breeders that understand this and will take the time to develop this dog.

AprilLove · 02-07-2008, 02:10 PM

Personally I would not choose one over the other. I love Yorkies and I love Biewer Yorkies. They are both wonderful and beautiful.

If I could, my house would be filled with an equal amount of both

Mere_de_Jambo · 02-07-2008, 02:14 PM

I would love to have a little Biewer or Parti girl but the prices are so high. I also would have her as a pet and not breed so the price is difficult to digest when there are so many out there that need a good home. I'm still keeping my eyes peeled. I personally think they look like Yorkies with different coloring not a Maltese.

AprilLove · 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by calaryn yorkies

I just came across this thread and thought I'd post my Biewer Girl "Honey". Do you see Yorkie, or do you see Maltese? She is PURE BIEWER with lines traced all the way to Fru Fru and Darling von Friedheck (the Yorkies with that piebald gene that started the whole thing) and to their Yorkie sire and dam of Streamglen in England who it is now thought had the gene. Mr. and Mrs. Biewer bought their Yorkies from Streamglen.

Carolyn
Honey is one of the most gorgeous female Biewers I have seen yet. (and Nappy is panting here, sheesh!! LOL) I see Yorkie in that sweet face.

Going to the topic of ARBA, acceptance, Mars Testing, etc. Yt'rs that are truly interested in this Breed, please know that there is much more information out there, opinions, fact, history, etc than what you read only here in this forum.
Do your research, dig in, and please don't be quick to take one opinion that may be presented over and over again, as the only opinion or facts about this breed.
JMHO

Tnyorkiemom · 02-07-2008, 02:37 PM

i totally agree with you....i know i am still learning everyday about my little man...and people say well they will act this way or they will do that when u do this....well let me tell you they will do what they will do and they will react the way they feel at the exact moment......they are all different....my little Smokey is my furry valentine....and it doesnt matter to me what the ...quote quote....experts say........just love them

www.dogster.com/683315

Tiggerwit · 02-07-2008, 02:37 PM

I pretty much love all dogs and wouldn't turn either one away. Although I miss my dear Abby terribly I am partial to smaller dogs. Hopefully one day I'll get another one.

I think I am more partial to the black and tan but Biewers are cuties all on their own too and as I said before, I wouldn't turn either one away.

Tnyorkiemom · 02-07-2008, 02:43 PM

i love my little smokey....he is small .....only 5 pds........and it is so neat because he is half standard and half biewer ....his color is always changing....i cant wait to see what it actually ends up looking like.....right now he is still a little dark on his body with his face mostly silver and gray now.....but he was actually reg as a blue and gold standard.......when we studd him out his puppies will be standard with parti gene.......cant wait.....he will be 1 year old on the 21st of March.......

www.dogster.com/683315

MyFairLacy · 02-07-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AprilLove

Carolyn
Honey is one of the most gorgeous female Biewers I have seen yet. (and Nappy is panting here, sheesh!! LOL) I see Yorkie in that sweet face.

Going to the topic of ARBA, acceptance, Mars Testing, etc. Yt'rs that are truly interested in this Breed, please know that there is much more information out there, opinions, fact, history, etc than what you read only here in this forum.
Do your research, dig in, and please don't be quick to take one opinion that may be presented over and over again, as the only opinion or facts about this breed.
JMHO

Yes, there is MUCH more info out there besides what you see on YT so I really encourage anyone interested in the biewers to do your research and become informed.

Oh, and I also think Honey is absolutely gorgeous!!! And I think Nappy is gorgeous too!!

02-06-2008, 02:15 PM	#63
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	It's interesting to read what the YTCA has to say about Parti Yorkies and genetics: Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers? Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs. Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs. The Yorkshire Terrier is a tan dog with a blue saddle. The “rare gold” Yorkie is actually a dog that appears as such due to an improper saddle pattern. Show breeders have seen this and commonly call it running gold. When the dog is cut down, you can see that the blue saddle does not come down far enough. The Yorkshire Terrier blue saddle extends lower than some of the other black and tan terriers extending to the elbow and also to the hock on the rear leg. Gold hairs can occur in the blue and black or blue hairs can appear in the gold. These faults are addressed in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard. These dogs have serious faults and they too should not be sold as "rare" but placed in loving homes as they are very incorrect. Yorkies do not have white markings…never have. A small white strip is sometimes seen on the chest of newborns but this always turns to tan within a few weeks. The AKC registration form for Yorkshire Terriers allows for four choices: blue and tan, blue and gold, black and tan, black and gold. There is no provision for markings. A brief history of the development of the Yorkshire Terrier will show that the dog was developed in the 1800’s. In England, the Waterside Terrier was often crossed with the old English terrier, a silky coated black and tan or blue and tan terrier weighing around five pounds. When crafters from Scotland came into England, they brought several “Scotch“terriers, among them the Paisley and the Clydesdale. The Paisley was a small silky coated dog in various shades of blue. The Clydesdale was a blue and tan dog with the exact color pattern as the Yorkie of today. All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today. The color pattern and coat texture has bred true and has been dominate enough that the Silky Terrier evolved by crossing the Yorkshire Terrier and the Australian Terrier with basically the same coat of the of the Yorkie. http://www.ytca.org/faq.html __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

02-06-2008, 03:41 PM	#64
Tnyorkiemom Smokey's Mommy!! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgetown Tn Posts: 1,914	they are a yorkie....just with the pie bald gene......they happened by accident and were not actually gonna be sold....but everyone seeing them started asking for pups and offerning a lot of money for them.....it is described as a gene mutation......and they are just starting to be recognized as a breed themselves....you can only get purebred puppies reg in germany right now....but both akc and ckc are considering it......our little smokey is the result of a standard yorkie mom and a biewer daddy.....hope this helps __________________ Mommy and Daddy Sugar Freckles Smokey Romeo Ally Niecy Alissia and Ariella

02-07-2008, 08:50 AM	#67
Tnyorkiemom Smokey's Mommy!! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgetown Tn Posts: 1,914	as far as i have seen they are close in temperment.....a proven purebred can run aroun 3000-5000..........very expensive......but they bred pretty true to the bred and seem to be healthy little things...my breeder just had a litter in Dec.....2 pups.....she is keeping the female but is selling the male......last i heard he was 2800 with shipping i think......he is now 9 wks........very very cute........her web site is www.yorkiehousetn.com ...........breeder....has the nicest and cleanest kennels i have ever seen....heated and airconditioned and probably cleaner than most homes......her babies are very well taken care for...... __________________ Mommy and Daddy Sugar Freckles Smokey Romeo Ally Niecy Alissia and Ariella

02-07-2008, 02:10 PM	#69
AprilLove My Three Hearts Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wrapped around their paws :-) Posts: 7,190	Personally I would not choose one over the other. I love Yorkies and I love Biewer Yorkies. They are both wonderful and beautiful. If I could, my house would be filled with an equal amount of both __________________ MaryKay AprilLove Wubs Moosie R.I.P. Bailey & BitsyRoo

02-07-2008, 02:37 PM	#73
Tiggerwit Just me 'n my boys Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Murphy, TX Posts: 4,596	I pretty much love all dogs and wouldn't turn either one away. Although I miss my dear Abby terribly I am partial to smaller dogs. Hopefully one day I'll get another one. I think I am more partial to the black and tan but Biewers are cuties all on their own too and as I said before, I wouldn't turn either one away. __________________ "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle." Alphy 's Roxy

02-06-2008, 12:23 PM	#62
Sass Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 476	I think that Biewers are adorable, but I prefer the look of the traditional Yorkie.

02-07-2008, 06:03 AM	#66
lilfoot YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin Posts: 769	I love the look of the Biewer. Would love to own one someday. Could someone tell me what the price ranges are...so I can start saving??? Do they have the same temperment as the Yorkie?

02-07-2008, 02:14 PM	#70
Mere_de_Jambo YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 328	I would love to have a little Biewer or Parti girl but the prices are so high. I also would have her as a pet and not breed so the price is difficult to digest when there are so many out there that need a good home. I'm still keeping my eyes peeled. I personally think they look like Yorkies with different coloring not a Maltese.

02-07-2008, 02:43 PM	#74
Tnyorkiemom Smokey's Mommy!! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgetown Tn Posts: 1,914	i love my little smokey....he is small .....only 5 pds........and it is so neat because he is half standard and half biewer ....his color is always changing....i cant wait to see what it actually ends up looking like.....right now he is still a little dark on his body with his face mostly silver and gray now.....but he was actually reg as a blue and gold standard.......when we studd him out his puppies will be standard with parti gene.......cant wait.....he will be 1 year old on the 21st of March....... www.dogster.com/683315