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[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

In defense of the poster..no where does she say she shows..she states on her site she has show quality puppies...there is a world of difference in actually finishing a champion, as opposed to breeding what you may feel has the potential to become a champion.
If I paid $5000 for a puppy, it better be able to ask the judge for the ribbon...

definitely...no way would I pay $5000 for a non-show quality dog. One of the top maltese breeders in the country sells her show quality puppies for $5000 and up. And her pets are sold for half of that

[YorkieRose]

You are right, I was reading the front page...yes, there is a male being shown now...but prehaps not in the AKC ring..it is not clear to me.

[MrsPeanut]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

In defense of the poster..no where does she say she shows..she states on her site she has show quality puppies...there is a world of difference in actually finishing a champion, as opposed to breeding what you may feel has the potential to become a champion.
If I paid $5000 for a puppy, it better be able to ask the judge for the ribbon...

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

You are right, I was reading the front page...yes, there is a male being shown now...but prehaps not in the AKC ring..it is not clear to me.

NLAPPEGARD posted on her for sale post: I don't show my dogs because i had a very bad exsperience with a show person who was suppose to be showing my dog for me and she used him as a stud and would not even give me one of my own puppies in return and I had paid her 12000.00 dollars + show fees it was a big mess so I'm sure you can understand why I would not want to be a part of that world.

[fannie]

I am aware of what happened to her with that stud. However, I can't see why that would keep someone from going into the ring themself. To me, it would be MORE important to show the dogs myself.

[yorkiekist]

I think she over paid!! That would really give me more reason to GO FOR IT!!!Hope Natalie get back into that show ring!!!!!!!!!!

[feminvstr]

Next month it'll be 2 years that I began showing......I find that with each experience I've learned more about myself and the strong bond I have with my dogs......My next goal is to experience taking one my dogs to Championship myself.

[yorkiekist]

Thats my next goal also. Now, if I just quit my job!!!!

[YorkieRose]

How can someone register a litter from your stud without your signature?..and if they forged it, report them to AKC...they will be the ones in a world of trouble.
Let me tell you something..the dog world can be a snake pit or a field of clover...but you get out of it what you put into it...if everyone quit who had been done dirty, the ring would be empty...do it for you and your dog, not anyone else...

[nlappegard]

i did report them but when your above all politics take over and your name makes the diffence on what happens did you know if your champion male accidently bred a female the person would have the right to register the litter without you signiture according to AKC rules and regulations Chapter 3 section 6 and you wouldn't even recieve a stud fee. Or the right for them to give you a puppy back. This is what happened to me and I have had several people offer to finish my other male who has 6pts already but if this is the way things are i have no interest in this world of politics you could hire someone ring side to show your dog and if they are the right person your dog will win this is just the way it has been for me any ways. I don't live my life that way i would rather be home with all my babies and enjoy all the joy and happiness they have to give they are so much fun. they have unconditional love there is never a day that goes by that they haven't made me smile. I really appreciate all they have given me with out my babies i would be lost they give total fofilment in my life and a reason to live in this mixed up world we all live in

[YorkieRose]

You sound old enough to know showing is no different then any other thing going on in the world...there are good and bad people. This is a free country and we all have the choice to make our own decisions...but I never let some bad apples deprive my dogs of a title if they were worthy. I weeded out the bad handlers and got a great one...there are honest people in the show world.

I do not understand the stud thing and AKC...I had a woman who used to come help my husband with the dogs when I was away..she cleaned etc...the last time she did this, she brought her bitch who JUST happened to be in heat...well, suddenly 9 weeks later I get a call that her bitch had a litter of puppies, it seems one of my males must have gotten to her and since she was only around one, the woman knew exactly who sired the litter..she wanted me to sign an AKC application...I knew this was not an accident, you do not just happen to take your "ready to be bred bitch" to a breeding kennel without a motive...I had refused her stud service in the past because the bitch was 12 pounds/flop earred..AND the stud who "got" to her was 3 pounds..Shorty never bred without help in his life and not to a 12 pounder...

I am a Christian woman, but not a door mat..I said HELL, NO...called the AKC and they backed me up...she got no papers.

[linda44]

right on!!!!!!!!

[Sugar's Mom]

i am old Nataliee and have just started showing one gal that no doubt will Champion. BUT, I have a stud dog from a well-known show kennel that has got to be one of the ugliest dogs I ever saw. i am taking him in the ring in Feb. knowing I will probably be humilated and embarrassed but taking a chance that the judges will see something in him that I don't. he was born to show and is very regal. But, he is gangly and i don't like that all. Then, I have a little 14 week male that I bred. I am taking him in thee Novice puppy class at the samee time. he will be old enough by then. If he does well, it will be my first attempt at the "Bred By Exhibitor" class. You have just got to jump in and do it!!!!!!

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

In defense of the poster..no where does she say she shows..she states on her site she has show quality puppies...there is a world of difference in actually finishing a champion, as opposed to breeding what you may feel has the potential to become a champion.
If I paid $5000 for a puppy, it better be able to ask the judge for the ribbon...

thanks for the smile - good post !

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by nlappegard

i did report them but when your above all politics take over and your name makes the diffence on what happens did you know if your champion male accidently bred a female the person would have the right to register the litter without you signiture according to AKC rules and regulations Chapter 3 section 6 and you wouldn't even recieve a stud fee. Or the right for them to give you a puppy back. This is what happened to me and I have had several people offer to finish my other male who has 6pts already but if this is the way things are i have no interest in this world of politics you could hire someone ring side to show your dog and if they are the right person your dog will win this is just the way it has been for me any ways. I don't live my life that way i would rather be home with all my babies and enjoy all the joy and happiness they have to give they are so much fun. they have unconditional love there is never a day that goes by that they haven't made me smile. I really appreciate all they have given me with out my babies i would be lost they give total fofilment in my life and a reason to live in this mixed up world we all live in

CHAPTER 3 REGISTRATION

SECTION 6. No litter of purebred dogs and/or no
single purebred dog which shall be determined by The
American Kennel Club to be acceptable in all other
respects for registration, shall be barred from registration
because of the failure, by the legal owner of all or part of
said litter, or said single dog to obtain some one or more
of the signatures needed to complete the applicant’s chain
of title to the litter or dog sought to be registered, unless
that person who, when requested, refuses to sign the
application form shall furnish a reason therefor satisfacto-
ry to The American Kennel Club, such as the fact that at
the time of service an agreement in writing was made
between the owner of the sire and the owner or lessee of
the dam to the effect that no application for registration
should be made and/or that the produce of such union
should not be registered. In all cases where such an
agreement in writing has been made, any person dispos-
ing of any of the produce of such union must secure from
the new owner a statement in writing that he received
such produce upon the understanding that it shall not be
registered. For the purpose of registering or refusing to
register purebred dogs The American Kennel Club will
recognize only such conditional sale or conditional stud
agreements affecting the registration of purebred dogs as
are in writing and are shown to have been brought to the
attention of the applicant for registration. The American
Kennel Club cannot recognize alleged conditional sale,
conditional stud or other agreements not in writing which
affect the registration of purebred dogs, until after the
existence, construction and/or effect of the same shall
have been determined by an action at law.
The owner or owners of a stud dog purebred and eli-
gible for registration who in print or otherwise asserts
or assert it to be purebred and eligible for registration
and on the strength of such assertion secures or per-
mits its use at stud, must pay the cost of its registra-
tion. The owner or owners of a brood bitch purebred
and eligible for registration who in print or otherwise
asserts or assert it to be purebred and eligible for reg-
istration and on the strength of such assertion leases it
or sells its produce or secures the use of a stud by
promising a puppy or puppies as payment of the stud
fee in lieu of cash, must pay the cost of its registration.
That person or those persons refusing without cause
to sign the application form or forms necessary for the
registration of a litter of purebred dogs or of a single
purebred dog and that person or those persons refusing
without cause to pay the necessary fees due from him,
her or them to be paid in order to complete the chain of
title to a purebred litter or a purebred single dog sought
to be registered, when requested by The American
Kennel Club, may be suspended from the privileges of
The American Kennel Club or fined as the Board of
Directors of The American Kennel Club may elect.
The registration of a single purebred dog out of a lit-
ter eligible for registration may be secured by its legal
owner as a one-dog litter registration and the balance
of the litter may be refused registration where the
breeder or the owner or lessee of the dam at the date
of whelping wrongfully has refused to register the litter
and that person or those persons so wrongfully refus-
ing shall be suspended from the privileges of The
American Kennel Club or fined as the Board of
Directors of The American Kennel Club may elect.

what did you not understand here...it plainly reads NO ONE can register a litter without the others signature...UNLESS you signed contact.