What are Chocolate Yorkies? - Page 5 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

MyFairLacy · 11-23-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by buddybramble

whatever anyones personal preference is or where they stand on what should or shouldn't be bred you only have to look in the YT nursery, those gorgeous chocolate babies have 320 + posts, alot of people me included LOVE them

I do have to say on that chocolate thread in the nursery - the reason there are so many posts is because there was a big debate about chocolates in the beginning between those that breed chocolates and those that believe it is wrong...then after that I think you'll see it's the same members posting over and over

other than that I'm going to stay out of this thread...there have already been plenty of debates on chocolates and it's pretty clear where the YTCA and AKC stand on them

YorkyDiva · 11-24-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Maybe when Kellykrack was talking about submitting a rare breed application to ACR in Jan. it was to set standards/rules for chocolate yorkies? ? ?

A Chocolate Yorkshire Terrier is not a rare breed, it is a Yorkshire Terrier.

kelleykrack · 11-24-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

A Chocolate Yorkshire Terrier is not a rare breed, it is a Yorkshire Terrier.

Well then Pat, maybe you should take that up with the YTCA! Thats why they banned them from showing, so that they would have to come in with a rare breed application and not come in showing under yorkshire terriers.

yorkiekist · 11-24-2007, 08:05 PM

That is not why YTCA banned chocolate yorkies. They banned them because they, as well as all the other designer colors, are incorrect. They did not ban them from being registered as AKC. Showing is for exhibiting your breeding stock and these designer colors are faults and shound not be bred or included in showing for that reason. they never said anything about rare breeds.

crystalsmom · 11-25-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

That is not why YTCA banned chocolate yorkies. They banned them because they, as well as all the other designer colors, are incorrect. They did not ban them from being registered as AKC. Showing is for exhibiting your breeding stock and these designer colors are faults and shound not be bred or included in showing for that reason. they never said anything about rare breeds.

Pinehaven · 11-25-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

That is not why YTCA banned chocolate yorkies. They banned them because they, as well as all the other designer colors, are incorrect. They did not ban them from being registered as AKC. Showing is for exhibiting your breeding stock and these designer colors are faults and shound not be bred or included in showing for that reason. they never said anything about rare breeds.

The term that should be used here is not Designer Colors but Off Colors. Designer Colors and Designer Dogs are terms normally used for man made cross breedings between different breeds of dogs.

Parti and chocolate are not "Designer colors", they are Yorkshire terriers who carry recessive genes for those colors, just like Blue and tan yorkies carry a dominate gene for gray. Don't be fooled, many of those blue and tan dogs also carry "hidden" recessive genes for chocolate and parti too (as we've seen) ... but I guess that's A-OK, just as long as you don't know it or don't see it?

Seems strange though, that the off colored Black and tan, Black and gold and Blue and gold Yorkies were allowed to show and win, prior to the disqualification rule but now they are no longer allowed to show. Of course since no age limit was voted on, as to when a pups coat had to turn blue by, I have a feeling that some black coated dogs will still show - just stating that their dog is slow to turn blue. I guess time will tell on that one.

crystalsmom · 11-25-2007, 05:48 AM

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Parti and chocolate are not "Designer colors", they are Yorkshire terriers who carry recessive genes for those colors, just like Blue and tan yorkies carry a dominate gene for gray. Don't be fooled, many of those blue and tan dogs also carry "hidden" recessive genes for chocolate and parti too (as we've seen) ... but I guess that's A-OK, just as long as you don't know it or don't see it?{Quote}

I think the breeder will call it that but you are so right that word is really confusing "designer". I'm sure no expert in registration but isn't that why it is important these faults be registered so we know where they are in a line

diva pup · 11-25-2007, 05:56 AM

This argument goes on and on. The people that breed the "off colors" will never understand the yorkshire terrier standard simply because they have no desire to. That would mean that what they are doing is wrong, there I said it...

I have seen some of us called chocolate haters which is ridiculous, I have never hated any little dog, I doubt anyone here has. What I DO hate is for breeders to muddy up the perception of it so that people think they are getting something fabulous when in fact they are getting just what they are called, an off color.

Pinehaven · 11-25-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I think the breeder will call it that but you are so right that word is really confusing "designer". I'm sure no expert in registration but isn't that why it is important these faults be registered so we know where they are in a line

Recessive genes can hide for many, many, many generations because you have to find that right cross where both sire and dam carry the gene in order for the color to appear.

I've done studying on some of the new parti bloodlines and I just can't find any common links at this point because there many are generations of traditional colored carriers. It's not just the pups' mom and dad who are carriers but one of each of their grand parents, one of each of their great grand parents .... and on and on.

Ladyhawk · 11-25-2007, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

That is not why YTCA banned chocolate yorkies. They banned them because they, as well as all the other designer colors, are incorrect. They did not ban them from being registered as AKC. Showing is for exhibiting your breeding stock and these designer colors are faults and shound not be bred or included in showing for that reason. they never said anything about rare breeds.

Because an off bite is caused by a recessive gene you can breed dogs to have them by bringing 2 homozygous recessive dogs together. That doesn't make the trait rare or designer it simply makes it out of standard. Out of standard is a disqualification for show because we are suppose to be breeding to the standard and we are judging breeding stock. YTCA is trying to keep our breed true. Any recessive trait can easily be bred but that doesn't mean that it should, I guess it depends on your reason for breeding. Personally I prefer black noses as it lends to expression and that is very important in the yorkie.

crystalsmom · 11-25-2007, 06:41 AM

pg. 213 from "the complete yorkshire terrier' by gordon and bennett

quote: The people who wove the description of the Yorkshire Terrier into a breed standard were very adept at animal husbandry. For nearly on hundred years their knowledge, which gained them advancement in the days of carriage trade, has stood to the advantage of the Yorkie maintaining the breed's distinguishing points.

The new scientific understanding of color pigmentation of hair can bu used to ensure us better Yorkies. It must be realized that we can no longer think only in terms of Mendelian genetics, where we have simple dominant and recessive effects governing the development of a trait. We are dealing multiple genes affecting the hairs coloration, each pair of genes (alleles) contribute to the desired trait. Each has a recessive and dominant form, but it is the number of gene pairs and their independent behavior from the other contributing genes during the process of recombination at fretilization that makes for the attainment of the Yorkies' desired prime important points of coat color and texture. end quote

excuse mistakes I was typing fast to get this in one post

Ladyhawk · 11-25-2007, 06:48 AM

This is why getting the correct coat in texture, color, and quantity is such a challenge for breeders. I can honestly say that as a breeder I will never get bored with Yorkies!

yorkiekist · 11-25-2007, 05:39 PM

I call them designer colors because of the people that are purposefully breeding to get these faulty colors. I forgot that the labradoodle and the puggle, etc are called by some people designer dogs. I just call them mixes or mutts.

hha · 11-25-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I call them designer colors because of the people that are purposefully breeding to get these faulty colors. I forgot that the labradoodle and the puggle, etc are called by some people designer dogs. I just call them mixes or mutts.

A mutt is when you DON'T know what breeds are in a dog..I wonder how many Mutts on here that there are...I've seen a lot of yorkies on a lot of forums that I question as to whether they're purebred...I have said before, I think there are going to be a lot of people in for a big surprise if they have dna testing done..and I don't even like the name "designer dog", and I don't have a problem either with a lot of the mixes..labradoodles, morkies, you name it, I love them all..

yorkiekist · 11-25-2007, 05:53 PM

I really dont need anyone to tell me what a mutt is. And , yes, there might be alot of people surprised when and if they can do a test to see what is in the background of a dog, especially the byb crowd. But I doubt very much if the died in the wool reputable, experienced breeders/exhibitors will have much to worry about.

11-25-2007, 05:48 AM	#67
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	[QUOTE=Pinehaven;1548556] Parti and chocolate are not "Designer colors", they are Yorkshire terriers who carry recessive genes for those colors, just like Blue and tan yorkies carry a dominate gene for gray. Don't be fooled, many of those blue and tan dogs also carry "hidden" recessive genes for chocolate and parti too (as we've seen) ... but I guess that's A-OK, just as long as you don't know it or don't see it?{Quote} I think the breeder will call it that but you are so right that word is really confusing "designer". I'm sure no expert in registration but isn't that why it is important these faults be registered so we know where they are in a line __________________

11-25-2007, 06:41 AM	#71
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	Something To Think About pg. 213 from "the complete yorkshire terrier' by gordon and bennett quote: The people who wove the description of the Yorkshire Terrier into a breed standard were very adept at animal husbandry. For nearly on hundred years their knowledge, which gained them advancement in the days of carriage trade, has stood to the advantage of the Yorkie maintaining the breed's distinguishing points. The new scientific understanding of color pigmentation of hair can bu used to ensure us better Yorkies. It must be realized that we can no longer think only in terms of Mendelian genetics, where we have simple dominant and recessive effects governing the development of a trait. We are dealing multiple genes affecting the hairs coloration, each pair of genes (alleles) contribute to the desired trait. Each has a recessive and dominant form, but it is the number of gene pairs and their independent behavior from the other contributing genes during the process of recombination at fretilization that makes for the attainment of the Yorkies' desired prime important points of coat color and texture. end quote excuse mistakes I was typing fast to get this in one post __________________

11-25-2007, 06:48 AM	#72
Ladyhawk YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,808	This is why getting the correct coat in texture, color, and quantity is such a challenge for breeders. I can honestly say that as a breeder I will never get bored with Yorkies! __________________ Tami

11-24-2007, 08:05 PM	#64
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	That is not why YTCA banned chocolate yorkies. They banned them because they, as well as all the other designer colors, are incorrect. They did not ban them from being registered as AKC. Showing is for exhibiting your breeding stock and these designer colors are faults and shound not be bred or included in showing for that reason. they never said anything about rare breeds.

11-25-2007, 05:56 AM	#68
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	This argument goes on and on. The people that breed the "off colors" will never understand the yorkshire terrier standard simply because they have no desire to. That would mean that what they are doing is wrong, there I said it... I have seen some of us called chocolate haters which is ridiculous, I have never hated any little dog, I doubt anyone here has. What I DO hate is for breeders to muddy up the perception of it so that people think they are getting something fabulous when in fact they are getting just what they are called, an off color.

11-25-2007, 05:39 PM	#73
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	I call them designer colors because of the people that are purposefully breeding to get these faulty colors. I forgot that the labradoodle and the puggle, etc are called by some people designer dogs. I just call them mixes or mutts.

11-25-2007, 05:53 PM	#75
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	I really dont need anyone to tell me what a mutt is. And , yes, there might be alot of people surprised when and if they can do a test to see what is in the background of a dog, especially the byb crowd. But I doubt very much if the died in the wool reputable, experienced breeders/exhibitors will have much to worry about.