What are Chocolate Yorkies?

[kelleykrack]

The chocolates stay AKC registered, but are duel registered with the ACR for showing with the ACR until they can show with UKC. We are not pushing too hard right now for the AKC, that will come later when the UKC accepts the rare breed application.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by kelleykrack

The chocolates stay AKC registered, but are duel registered with the ACR for showing with the ACR until they can show with UKC. We are not pushing too hard right now for the AKC, that will come later when the UKC accepts the rare breed application.

RARE BREED? Mine are AKC registered YORKSHIRE TERRIER. Are you trying this with the AKC Parti Yorkshire Terrier and the AKC Golden Yorkshire Terrier?

You have taken it upon yourself to speak for others who have AKC CHOCOLATE YORKSHIRE TERRIERS, PARTI AND GOLDENS without their permission?????????????

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by kelleykrack

The chocolates stay AKC registered, but are duel registered with the ACR for showing with the ACR until they can show with UKC. We are not pushing too hard right now for the AKC, that will come later when the UKC accepts the rare breed application.

Hmmm... so you are trying to get them in a breed of their own or just add a color to the Standard?
Who exactly sets the Standard for the Yorkie?

[yorkiekist]

The standard for the Yorkshire terrier is set by the YTCA.

[yorkiekist]

This is for LucynTuckersMom who posted the original question. This was written by Janet Jackson, president of the YTCA(Yorkshire Terier Club of America, and no, she is not the singerLOL)
"However, we must be vigilant in educating pet buyers about advertising gimmicks such as "rare colors" or "teacups" and explain why they would be so much better off with a puppy from a reputable breeder. To clarify exactly what a Yorkie should be, the YTCA is in the process of adding a disqualifacation for colors other than blue and tan, and for dogs with white markings (parti). The Yorkshire is a tan dog with a blue saddle and it does not come in other colors. It never has. The following disqualification has been approved by YTCA membership and has been forwarded to the AKC board of directors. Disqualifications: Any solid color or combination of colors othe that blue and tan as described above, any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed one inch at its longest dimension. It is also important to remember that although the transformation from a sparsely coated, black and tan puppy to the fully coated, blue and tan adult is somewhat challenging to envision, a Yorkshire Terrier must always have the pattern described in the standard and never comes in "rare gold", "solid blue","chocolate and tan", "parti", or any other new and different color."

This disqualification was accepted by the AKC in October, 2007.
There is a good article on coloring at: goldenrayyorkies

Hopes this info helps!!

[yorkiekist]

How can ACR be more discriminating than AKC when "they dont use outside breed standards" for any of their breeds they "register"? Do you think that UKC is just going to roll over and accept these "ACR standards"? ACR doesnt do kennel inspections as AKC does. All pedigrees are based on info submitted by the individual wishing to get his in the ACR data-base. They know that info is accurate how?? And they also state that "registered does not now nor will it ever mean purebred". Well, then why even bother to register ??? Where do they get their specific "standards" for each breed?? And I love it when they state" If you dont have a 3 generation pedigree, they will research it and try to make one up for you", never, of course, guaranteeing sucess. Why would I want to dual register my AKC dogs with ACR? What benefit would that be?

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by oopsmyhalofello

Are you working toward getting the AKC to accept your chocolate's as a standard color? As it is right now your pups may be AKC registered but that means diddly when it comes to the Standards, AKC doesn't think you should be breeding them so why are you? (just a different thought)

What registry is the little chocolate you just bought?

[Pinehaven]

You know, there are unbiased articles and there are biased articles. There are articles that try to educate you with truths and facts and there are articles that try to fill your mind with fears, doubts and a bit of intimidation.

It's for the reader to decide which articles seems most reasonable, logical and scientific to them. So read any article with an open mind, do your research and decide for yourself because you can read a dozen different opinions. And once you've read the opinions, than do your research on coat color genetics and recessive genes.

While articles based on opinions may say one thing, scientific facts and study of genetics can shed a completely different light on the whole story.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

You know, there are unbiased articles and there are biased articles. There are articles that try to educate you with truths and facts and there are articles that try to fill your mind with fears, doubts and a bit of intimidation.

It's for the reader to decide which articles seems most reasonable, logical and scientific to them. So read any article with an open mind, do your research and decide for yourself because you can read a dozen different opinions. And once you've read the opinions, than do your research on coat color genetics and recessive genes.

While articles based on opinions may say one thing, scientific facts and study of genetics can shed a completely different light on the whole story.

Pinehaven, you have given some really GREAT INFORMATION here and I for one can see that you have far more knowledge about the different colors and you apply that knowledge. Thank you so much (and I am sorry that I haven't already said so) for all the great information you have added to this thread.
Pat

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by akcyorkies4u

I gave one to my mom, 3 years ago..His name was Bacon, some one stole him

Its a double recessive gene in them, a overload of red gold and is a mutation so people SAY.. But I find them PRETTY..

Some people out there will say they are RARE to get extra money but before I had my dog Pepper fixed every litter she had 1. So how rare is that??? I wouldnt buy from a person who says the dog is rare...

akcyorkies4u.

Both the sire and dam had to carry the chocolate gene in order for a chocolate pup to be born. Did you breed Pepper to the same stud dog? The percentages are correct for the litters you produced - 25% of the pups would not get a copy of the gene, 50% of the pups are carriers of the gene and 25% would be chocolate colored pups.

And yeah, I'd say it's rare - Rare that you found both a sire and dam who carried the recessive chocolate gene. If you are still breeding the stud to other girls, he's passing his gene onto 50% of the offspring and if those pups are breeding.

It just takes finding that recessive carrier and breeding back to another recessive carrier, to produce the chocolate color and if you don't know they both carry a recessive gene, you may find a surprise color in your litter one day!

Some, uneducated in color genetics, may feel that chocolate is a mutation but in fact it is a double dose of the recessive gene that causes the black colors of the dog to be lightened/diluted in color, making the black skin and saddle area, become brown in color.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

You know, there are unbiased articles and there are biased articles. There are articles that try to educate you with truths and facts and there are articles that try to fill your mind with fears, doubts and a bit of intimidation.

It's for the reader to decide which articles seems most reasonable, logical and scientific to them. So read any article with an open mind, do your research and decide for yourself because you can read a dozen different opinions. And once you've read the opinions, than do your research on coat color genetics and recessive genes.

While articles based on opinions may say one thing, scientific facts and study of genetics can shed a completely different light on the whole story.

I don't know that it is about reading things with an "open mind". I think it is about (at least for me) breeding a dog that is simply not correct. Few of the chocolates I have seen have even a correct coat texture. A huge part of the correct yorkie is coat color and texture.

I am not trying to insult those here with the chocolates, every dog deserves love and adoration, but a picture speaks a thousand words. Yorky Diva has a dog on her avatar that has the best coat I have seen on one yet, most are wirey and brittle looking, not silky at all. Now they are saying they are bigger as well? I am just a little confused as to what they are going for here.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

akcyorkies4u.

If you are still breeding the stud to other girls, he's passing his gene onto 50% of the offspring and if those pups are breeding.

Oops, lost part of my response ...

If you are still breeding the stud to other girls, he's passing his gene onto 50% of the offspring and if those pups are breeding, they are passing the gene onto 50% of their offspring ...

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I don't know that it is about reading things with an "open mind". I think it is about (at least for me) breeding a dog that is simply not correct. Few of the chocolates I have seen have even a correct coat texture. A huge part of the correct yorkie is coat color and texture.

I am not trying to insult those here with the chocolates, every dog deserves love and adoration, but a picture speaks a thousand words. Yorky Diva has a dog on her avatar that has the best coat I have seen on one yet, most are wirey and brittle looking, not silky at all. Now they are saying they are bigger as well? I am just a little confused as to what they are going for here.

NO not everyone has bigger Chocolates. My male is 3-3/4lbs and female is 5-1/2lbs.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Oops, lost part of my response ...

If you are still breeding the stud to other girls, he's passing his gene onto 50% of the offspring and if those pups are breeding, they are passing the gene onto 50% of their offspring ...

In the case of these carriers, isn't it true that if you are breeding carriers, that yes 50% of the off spring are carriers, but you don't know which half are carriers?

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I don't know that it is about reading things with an "open mind". I think it is about (at least for me) breeding a dog that is simply not correct. Few of the chocolates I have seen have even a correct coat texture. A huge part of the correct yorkie is coat color and texture.

Humans wrote the standards but humans haven't been able to weed out all the recessive genes that our traditional colored AKC yorkies still harbor. Breeding to the strict standards for many, is as important as Breeding these (now allowed to be registered) recessive gene "crop outs" are to others.

There are many more incorrect blue and tan yorkies in the world then there are off colored yorkies and Breeders of off colors, should strive to find the best quality, colored and color carriers so they can produce as close to conformational and coat texture standards as possible.