question about spanking

[BLowry]

First of all I would NEVER hit an animal! Especially a yorkie...they are too small! This is only going to make him timid and probably snappy. A stern NO or STOP will eventually do the trick. I had a dog trainer tell me (Sadie was an older pup and snapped at me) to pick her up, look her straight in the eye and shout "NO! DON'T DO THAT TO ME!" Then put her down and walk away...give her no attention. And, STICKING HIS NOSE IN AN ACCIDENT!! YUCK! Unless you actually catch him in the act he isn't even going to remember what he did..This could also promote eating his stools...then you will have another problem.. Yorkies aren't the easiest breed to house train..I'm sure we all know that but, If he is going, and you catch him in the act, tell him bad and bring him to where you want him to go...If he finishes tell him good boy and give him a treat...Maybe this will work.

[irishawk]

For housetraining purposes spanking is a BAD idea. The dogs can't relate them peeing on your carpet to you spanking them. It just makes them have negative feels towards you.

For behavioral reasons, my vet said it's ok to give them a little tap under their chin that suprises them if they are biting. Another yt-er posted on here on another thread that for barking purposes she'll kind of pick up her dog by the harness and give him a little shake like his mother might have done.

That being said, my dog doesn't respond to any of this. It just makes him angry.. not sad or cowering, straight up MAD. So we don't do it. We will raise our voices at him though or walk away from him and that seems to do the trick.

[FirstYorkie]

Originally Posted by irishawk

Another yt-er posted on here on another thread that for barking purposes she'll kind of pick up her dog by the harness and give him a little shake like his mother might have done.

Just for curiosity, has anyone ever witnessed a mother doing this to one of her pups?

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Well...this does get people thinking and hopefully everyone will offer opinions and no one will come on and say they smack their dogs and it's fine - ....cause it isn't.

I don't see anything wrong with a TAP on the nose - a light tap just to get their attention - but that's where I draw the line.

I HATE hearing about people rubbing their dogs faces in their 'accidents' ....that is just Totally HUMILATING to the animal - Why would anyone think that works ? Hitting and forcing a dogs face into their own pee just serves to make them cower and be afraid - which leads to more accidents -
I never spanked my kids and would never hit an animal - no matter what. Well - take that back - IF I was protecting my girls from another dog - you can bet I'd smack the poop out of it just to get it away.

If I ever saw anyone hitting a dog - you can bet I'd be in their face.

I agree with Vee. I could and would never in a million years spank my dogs.

[my2boyz]

I just don't agree with hitting of any kind. When was the last time anyone saw a mother dog hit her puppy for doing something wrong...or rub their nose in their own potty? It doesn't happen! As for rubbing an animal's nose in their accident...that's just humiliating and gross and probably done more out of frustration than dicipline. Hitting and rubbing their nose in 'it' are old school ways, they were done before people really knew what to do, things are different now...there are better ways to earn the love, trust and good behavior of your pet.

[ehunney]

I do not agree with rubing their noses in thier own waste. When they use the bathroom where they aren't supposed to, they are not doing it on purpose to upset you. They don't kow any better. In essence it's the same as rubbing a childs face in his own urine because he wet the bed . I don't know, maybe I just don't have it in me to humiliate or beat a 5 pound dog

[SJK1113]

I could never spank my yorkie, and I don't think it's good to spank such a small dog. I feel the same about children. There are other ways to let them know they have done something wrong. I think just using a stern voice will teach them.

[SJK1113]

Originally Posted by FirstYorkie

Just for curiosity, has anyone ever witnessed a mother doing this to one of her pups?

I sure never have! I would think that shaking such a small dog could be very dangerous. If infants can die from shaken baby syndrome, then I'm sure the same could happen to a small dog, which is right around the size of a newborn human baby.

[Pattie]

Originally Posted by AddysMomma

every thing i have read says never spank never hit.....my parents have had dogs since i was a baby and always either spanked them or rubbed their nose in it...another couple we know says that they spanked their yorkie and she learned not to poop inside.....there have been a couple times that addy has bit one of us prety hard and she has gotten a little bop on the head for it....she stopped biting. whats the official word on this and the reasoning? (i know theyre small and delicate.....but a light bop on the head seems to work?) anyone?

Ok until recently, I agree, no spanking. Chloe is extremely sensitive and wants to please me. A stern, Mom is not happy, "don't you think about doing this again" is enough.... Now Sissy is with us for about a month and a half now. She could care if or how happy I am. When I correct her, she ignores me, seems to smile and goes about her business. It is kind of funny to see her "attitude" but it is getting old when it comes to the things she does. I tried stern, I tried removing her and placing her in an empty crate (not the one she sleeps in), I tried leaving her inside the playpen and taking Chloe out of the room with me. She is ignorant of anyone's else's feelings. I know she is young, but so was Chloe a year ago. (Chloe showed she cared - Sissy does not)

A funny thing she does but not fair to Chloe. She waits until I get home, she doesn't want the PP pad inside her playpen to be soiled (good right?) She proceeds into Chloe's open playpen and does her business in there! Nothing phases Sissy. She plays with most of the toys & doggie belongings, but her attitude says "What's mine is mine and what's Chloe's is mine too!" I know you may think I am exaggerating BUT this is 100% true. She will bark & bark and attack Chloe if Chloe relaxes playing with something or chewing on her bone... What is this a new bread of dog called "The Yorkshire Terrorist"

I don't mind the pp pad thing, I don't even mind most of her things to do but the attacking Chloe if she wants to use some of her own property or the attacking me if I don't allow her on my lap while eating, that's got to go sooooon! Yesterday I put her in her daytime playpen while I ate dinner, in the middle of my dinner I was on line ordering extra panels to put a cover on her playpen! Want to guess why?
I started telling Chloe, "OK Chloe go get it" when Sissy takes her stuff, my next step may be spanking with 2 fingers of course! Chloe's personality is to sit back and please everyone, even our Baby Sister

[Pattie]

I should have said "Happily attacking" she is not agressive by any means, she just plain out doesn't care, I tell her no lap while eating, she smiles and wags her tail and jumps up anyway, I put her down, she jumps back up fast enough to grab something off my plate... That was what I meant by attacking, poor choice of words.

[YorkieGuru]

I have a newspaper that they are scared of. I just show that to them and they know they are in trouble. I never have to say a word. I'm not sure how they got so scared of it, but they are. So it works for me. I wouldnt be able to hit my babies either. They are too sweet and precious to do that. No matter how mad I am at em.

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by SJK1113

I sure never have! I would think that shaking such a small dog could be very dangerous. If infants can die from shaken baby syndrome, then I'm sure the same could happen to a small dog, which is right around the size of a newborn human baby.

I think I read that anyone can die from being shaken too much, well hard enough depending on the persons size. I think being shooken is being worse then being smacked, but just my opinion.

[FirstYorkie]

Originally Posted by Pattie

She could care if or how happy I am. When I correct her, she ignores me, seems to smile and goes about her business... She is ignorant of anyone's else's feelings...

Honestly, Pattie, I think you are reading too much into Sissy's behavior. I doubt she feels all the emotions that you attribute to her.

Dogs, like other animals (including humans) do what works for them. Taking Chloe's toys works - she gets extra toys. Taking each other's toys, BTW, is very normal dog behavior. She repeatedly hops up into your lap because it pays - if she keeps doing it long enough, she'll eventually be able to snatch a bite of food.

As far as the pee pad, I wouldn't care which pad she uses as long as she uses one. I also wouldn't worry about her taking Chloe's toys. If Chloe gets fed up enough, she'll stand up to her. You said Sissy is young. If she's still a puppy, Chloe is still giving her what many call a "puppy license". I expect you'll find that she'll loose that license when she gets older. If you really feel sorry for Chloe, then separate them when you want Chloe to have some alone-time with her toys.

As for jumping up in your lap at mealtime, here's what worked for us. I taught Joey to do a down-stay on his "blankie" during mealtimes. I did this by first teaching him a "go to your blankie" command. I then used his "stay" command where he gradually has to stay longer and longer on the blankie. His reward is always given while on the blankie so that getting up isn't reinforced. I spent many mealtimes tossing his a piece of kibble (never human food from the table) when he was quietly lying on his blankie, gradually making him wait longer and longer for his reward.

Often, you can teach an alternate, incompatible behavior to stop unacceptable behavior. No 2 finger spanking required!

[Pattie]

Originally Posted by FirstYorkie

Honestly, Pattie, I think you are reading too much into Sissy's behavior. I doubt she feels all the emotions that you attribute to her.:animal
Dogs, like other animals (including humans) do what works for them. Taking Chloe's toys works - she gets extra toys. Taking each other's toys, BTW, is very normal dog behavior. She repeatedly hops up into your lap because it pays - if she keeps doing it long enough, she'll eventually be able to snatch a bite of food.


My responce to the above: **
I do know from reading various posts that there is a "difference" in their 2 personalities and what I am observingit is normal dog behavior but I was simply stating that it is much different then Chloe's

PS she got off the porch by pulling out of her collar not by me letting her run off
As far as the pee pad, I wouldn't care which pad she uses as long as she uses one. I also wouldn't worry about her taking Chloe's toys. If Chloe gets fed up enough, she'll stand up to her. You said Sissy is young. If she's still a puppy, Chloe is still giving her what many call a "puppy license". I expect you'll find that she'll loose that license when she gets older. If you really feel sorry for Chloe, then separate them when you want Chloe to have some alone-time with her toys.
I never said I minded which pee pad she used, if you re-read I stated I thought it was funny, Chloe doesn't mind, I put the pads in case they want to go while I am gone, I still find it funny she doesn't use the one I put in HER playpen, but instead waits until I unlock both playpens and runs for Chloe's pad. And I do feel sorry for Chloe at times, she does let me know by nighttime that she had enough of Sissy, and that is when Sissy goes into her bedtime crate and Chloe is left to relax and play and sleep in peace. Chloe is also still a pup, but she has a totally different personality then CHloe did. That was my point. I NEVER had to correct Chloe more then once. When I stated "Chloe, don't you think about it" in a stern voice, that was all it took.


As for jumping up in your lap at mealtime, here's what worked for us. I taught Joey to do a down-stay on his "blankie" during mealtimes. I did this by first teaching him a "go to your blankie" command. I then used his "stay" command where he gradually has to stay longer and longer on the blankie. His reward is always given while on the blankie so that getting up isn't reinforced. I spent many mealtimes tossing his a piece of kibble (never human food from the table) when he was quietly lying on his blankie, gradually making him wait longer and longer for his reward.


** my reply:
As for Jumping in my lap during mealtime, here's what has worked for me. I told Chloe not to think about it, I was holding a plate at the time. To this day IF I am holding a plate, Chloe sits in front of me until I put the plate down, Now with Sissy, it doesn't work. Seems with Joey, your way works, If you had Sissy, I bet it would not work with her. Again I was pointing out the difference in 2 Yorkie's personalities. My fault was I expected them to be somewhat similar when I picked up Sissy a few months ago. My surprise was I wasd totally wrong.


Often, you can teach an alternate, incompatible behavior to stop unacceptable behavior. No 2 finger spanking required!

** my reply:
AND Yes I agree BUT I still have seen first hand what works changing "that unacceptable behavior" is different for each dogs personality. SInce I am a new dog owner and never suggested I was a perfect furbee mom, I am simply surprised that what worked with CHloe did NOT work with Sissy.

As for the 2 finger spanking that I originally was joking about. I did it this morning, I don't think I am wrong. She was sitting with leash and collar on, on my front porch. Chloe was sitting with us (no leash) Sissy ran off the porch after our mail lady's truck. I did give her a 2 finger spanking when we got back to the porch. That was dangerous, she could have gotten hit by the truck and I placed her inside the screen door and no cookie from the maillady for her today. I will go and buy a harness for her today and hope to never have her run so fast into the street again.

I thank you for your input, but I think it some instances you totally misinterpeted what I typed. You sound very much experienced at training your yorkie then I am but I did take 2 training classes, I am doing the best I can, I spend many hours daily on their brushing, training and bonding but I am still so surprised at how different there personalities are. Do all your yorkies have similar personalities? Are they all able to train easily? Did they all train with the same exact methods? I am interested in knowing if only my 2 are so opposite in personalities.

[FirstYorkie]

Pattie, I'm sorry that my post offended you. None was intended.

I certainly agree with you that they all have different personalities!