Sparta shows defiance :(

[concretegurl]

I'm done!
You didn't come here for advice you are just like the last posted who asked for advice then went on for days about how great their Dad's physical punishment training was...lame!
Drama, nonsense, backwards pathetic thinking!
Here everyone needs a laugh before you ruin the name Sparta associating it with animal cruelty!


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[This Is Sparta]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I'm done!
You didn't come here for advice you are just like the last posted who asked for advice then went on for days about how great their Dad's physical punishment training was...lame!
Drama, nonsense, backwards pathetic thinking!
Here everyone needs a laugh before you ruin the name Sparta associating it with animal cruelty!


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i came here for advice and it didnt work, im not trying to start anything. but spartas slowly starting to pee on the weewee pad and shes walking on my right side only now and occasionally getting ahead of me til i give her a
slight tug. we have a great relationship with still the occasional defiance. just because a method is old doesnt mean its wrong.

just listen... im gonna be on this forum for a while, please dont judge me or my methods as i am not judging yours. everyones entitled to there own opinion.

[yorkieusa]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

My father trained 2 german shepards, a collie, a few other dogs including a small chihuahua the same exact way. all dogs were pefectly house broken and the most loving pets i have ever known. So i honestly dont think you should rule out a little physical punishment.

like i said sometimes she is defiant, but most of the time she is a really good dog and still so very loving to me. so i dont think it will harm her relationship with me, as it did not with my father and our other dogs.

I tried the yelling at her and just verbally trying to get her to stop, but she still shows defiance and she only really stops with some physical punishment.

and believe me, i am in no way hurting this dog the way im hitting her. im hitting her firmly but not enough to actually hurt her.

And the personality of a chihuahua is similar to a yorkie. actually probably even more fiesty, and has a worse attitude all together, so if anything my chihuahua would have really hated me and my father, but she didnt, she was so attached to me and did not change with my father at all when i lived with my parents.

I feel terribly sorry for Sparta. It's totally disgusting to hit a tiny yorkie and try to convince people it is the right thing to do. It isn't!

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

My father trained 2 german shepards, a collie, a few other dogs including a small chihuahua the same exact way. all dogs were pefectly house broken and the most loving pets i have ever known. So i honestly dont think you should rule out a little physical punishment.

like i said sometimes she is defiant, but most of the time she is a really good dog and still so very loving to me. so i dont think it will harm her relationship with me, as it did not with my father and our other dogs.

I tried the yelling at her and just verbally trying to get her to stop, but she still shows defiance and she only really stops with some physical punishment.

and believe me, i am in no way hurting this dog the way im hitting her. im hitting her firmly but not enough to actually hurt her.

And the personality of a chihuahua is similar to a yorkie. actually probably even more fiesty, and has a worse attitude all together, so if anything my chihuahua would have really hated me and my father, but she didnt, she was so attached to me and did not change with my father at all when i lived with my parents.

I owned a German Shepard, Rottweiler, and a Mastiff. Although they need firm pack leader training. I never layed a hand on any of my "bully" breeds. There is no excuse, and the fact you think it's ok to hit an BABY yorkie for "defiance" is sickening. I decided to avoid this thread early on, but after reading your response I couldn't any more.

[1Ieisha]

Wow.. I was kind of surprised to read this thread... But I was appauled at your response on hitting your baby . You keep saying that you're not hitting her hard enough to hurt her... does that justify your actions?? I can't believe you think this is ok. Any dog can be trained through a stern NO and positive reinforcement. Just ask Victoria Stilwell. Besides she's 4 months thats only a BABY!!! Do you really expect her to be perfectly trained and 100% obedient at such a YOUNG age?? I mean we as humans aren't fully potty trained (on average) until about 2-3 YEARS of age and most of us never are 100% obedient. Most dogs are potty trained and very well behaved by the age of 1 or less, so the least you could do is work with her and give a LITTLE BIT OF TIME to learn. I can't believe that we as humans feel we even have the right to lay a harmful hand on another precious life... I don't care if its just a tap, it was done for the wrong reasons. Coming from a house where "physical discipline" (if thats what you want to call it) was used everytime I made a mistake. I feel very strongly about this. I'll spare you the details, but because your baby can't speak up and tell you what you are doing IS WRONG then I will join everyone else in saying that WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS WRONG! Please don't hit her.. How would you like it if someone was there hitting you every time you used the bathroom because you had to go??? I mean that's what you are doing to Sparta she's a baby and when she's got to go she's got to go, so if she uses it in the house that's your fault. You should've been watching her.

Another thing... you keep saying how your father did this and that with his dogs. Well just let me say... your father got lucky. Most dogs don't really tolerate "physical discipline" very well. I mean after a while they get tired and snap. And who could blame them??? Wouldn't you get tired of someone hitting you for doing things that were natural to you. Instead of them telling you what you did was wrong and showing you how to fix it?? Doesn't that just sound way better than being hit?? Every dog is different, Sparta is only a helpless harmless baby right now, but you can't continue to be physical with her. Who's to say she won't be the one to snap?? A dog can only take so much (the same goes for humans)... I guess what I'm saying is just put yourself in her place... Lets see how you take to being hit.

[Rhetts_mama]

I think we may have a little in our midst.

But if the OP is truly serious, I volunteer to come and use your training methods on you. I wouldn't mind smacking someone around with a rolled magazine (firm enough to get their attention but not hard enough to hurt them, mind you- ok, if it hurts a bit, I won't mind). I've got a little bit of pent up energy that I could vent through some yelling, too. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah... How does that work for you?

Physical punishment of a dog is limited to those who aren't smart enough to figure out any other way of training.

***Sits idly by waiting for the polite police to come write me another ticket**

[Evenflo09]

I agree with all the posters here, no hitting please! It IS your FAULT if she messes on the floor. I've only had my yorkie mix close to 3 weeks and these are different little babies! She hasn't been with you long enough to know and trust you yet, and all you are doing is making her DISTRUST you from the get go. The first day or so I had Mojo, I took him out every 15-20 minutes so that he would make less mistakes, and he is close to 1 year old. I did this for a couple of days and then gradually increased the amount of time I waited to take him after that. Remember though, a puppy has a very small bladder, and it may be a bit before they can hold their wee/woo for long periods. Make sure feeding time is at the same time everyday. I feed my babies at 12 noon everyday. This gives them until bedtime to eliminate outside, but everyone is different. Some like first in the morning, others like to feed when they eat too, as bonding. While you can't take water away from them all day, this will help with pooing. This is what I did to help speed Mojo's training along. Don't even try to teach heeling for now, just concentrate on 1 thing at a time. Set a time to take her out and stick to it! If it needs to be every 15 minutes, do it. A dog will most times want to bathroom within 1-5 minutes after eating or waking, and even play can give them the urge, so no waiting to take her out. If she mistakes on the floor, no punishment- she will not understand why she's being chastised and it might even give her the impression that going in the house is not bad, but doing it in front of you is, so she may start to sneak behind your back in other rooms to do her job. Keep the leash by the front door, and every single time you go to take her out, ask her something like ' YOU WANNA DO BUISNESS? or DO YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE? Pick 1 phrase and repeat this over and over while hooking her leash. Take her outside to spots where she's wee/wooed before, she will smell the scent and this will stimulate her to go again. Go to this place in your yard first and stay in that area until she does her job. Then you can take her for walks around the yard. If you take her all over the yard she can get distracted from her reason for going out and hold it until you get back inside and mess the carpet. While in the area, repeat another phrase to her like DO BUSINESS or GO POTTY. Don't play with her in this area, but don't be stern either, just keep repeating the phrase in a pleasant voice. When she starts to squat or get in the poo position start praising her right then, with good girl, way to go or smart baby in your happiest, highest voice! Don't wait until she is done to praise her as she might not connect your words to what she has just done. Then when done, you can give her a small treat or love her up and take her for a little yard walk as a reward. I would always walk for a few mins after no matter what. If she loves to be outside and you take her back in right after potty, she may again hold it in order to get more outside time and then potty your floor once inside again. A crate is helpful for the times when you take them outside and no matter how long you stand there and phrase the potty word for them they just don't go. If it's been a long time outside for you and you need to go back in, you can put her in the crate or even a small room with a baby gate up, wait 5-10 mins and take her back out again. Don't crate her for an hour, she's just a puppy. Never make the crate a punishment place. I admit, Mojo was older so he may have learned rather quickly, but in the 3 weeks I've had him, he is now housebroke, he gets all excited when I ask him if he needs to go out, when I tell he to do business, he finds a spot and does it. Then we walk awhile and I ask him if he wants to go back in as we are heading for the door and he beats me to the steps. It takes time and it will get easier for you, you'll see. Just keep being consistent. Try to put yourself in her shoes, what if you had moved into a family of strangers for only 5 days and even though they seem nice and act all friendly one minute, all of a sudden you were being whipped everytime you turned around and you didn't know why???? She would have to know how to do all of these things before she would even understand why she's being whipped. Take one lesson at a time, be consistant, teach it well and then move on to the next lesson. She can't learn them all at one time. Hope this helps.

[Evenflo09]

oh, sorry, puppies need to be fed different from adults, so however many times you feed, keep it on a schedule.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

just listen... im gonna be on this forum for a while,

No thank you please, I'm good I'll pass.

Yes please stay & learn!

Read more!

There is also this wonderful ignore function if you don't like a certain person or what they have to say...just wanted to put that out there for others.

Rhetts_mama and I were obviously separated at birth
not like minded but exact.

[concretegurl]

FYI for others it's wise to train your dog "go potty"

because in the event something should happen to you, your dog for whatever reason a basic uncomplicated word should be used for all commands.
Sit
stay
potty
down
back
etc
not your own code words for basic behaviors...just in-case.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by yorkieusa

i feel terribly sorry for sparta. it's totally disgusting to hit a tiny yorkie and try to convince people it is the right thing to do. It isn't!

Amen!!!

[Evenflo09]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

FYI for others it's wise to train your dog "go potty"

because in the event something should happen to you, your dog for whatever reason a basic uncomplicated word should be used for all commands.
Sit
stay
potty
down
back
etc
not your own code words for basic behaviors...just in-case.

I sure agree on this for a puppy. Mine just happen to be older so I can use more words, but basic, simple ones are best. Just was trying to give an idea, not exact phrases OP.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

My father trained 2 german shepards, a collie, a few other dogs including a small chihuahua the same exact way. all dogs were pefectly house broken and the most loving pets i have ever known. So i honestly dont think you should rule out a little physical punishment.

like i said sometimes she is defiant, but most of the time she is a really good dog and still so very loving to me. so i dont think it will harm her relationship with me, as it did not with my father and our other dogs.

I tried the yelling at her and just verbally trying to get her to stop, but she still shows defiance and she only really stops with some physical punishment.

and believe me, i am in no way hurting this dog the way im hitting her. im hitting her firmly but not enough to actually hurt her.

And the personality of a chihuahua is similar to a yorkie. actually probably even more fiesty, and has a worse attitude all together, so if anything my chihuahua would have really hated me and my father, but she didnt, she was so attached to me and did not change with my father at all when i lived with my parents.

You really make me feel sad for you dog. My mom hit Callie once and the look in Callie's eyes was one of a confused and scared little dog as I believe any dog would be when getting hit. You might think your not hurting her but how do you know? Did she tell you?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

i came here for advice and it didnt work, im not trying to start anything. but spartas slowly starting to pee on the weewee pad and shes walking on my right side only now and occasionally getting ahead of me til i give her a
slight tug. we have a great relationship with still the occasional defiance. just because a method is old doesnt mean its wrong.

just listen... im gonna be on this forum for a while, please dont judge me or my methods as i am not judging yours. everyones entitled to there own opinion.

This method as been through many tests along with other training methods and has been found cruel and not good for the dog physically and mentally. I am going to judge you and I judge you a pretty darn bad person that you would hit a small dog. I hope you stay around and I hope you learn a lot especially how to treat a dog!

[concretegurl]

This Is Sparta:...

Why are you being defiant?

Do you wanna get whacked with a magazines?

Touche Logic...