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Old 03-21-2011, 11:39 AM   #1
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I have a 1 1/2 yr old yorkie which we adopted at 6 months. His previous owner kept him outside most of the day due to long hours at work, hence the reason she decided to get rid of him. He is not fixed, and I already owned a female yorkie, I decided to adopt him in order to perhaps breed soon. When we adopted him, previous owner shared with us that he would be crated at nighttime and had never had any accidents, once he was allowed in the house, however, he wasn't trained, and would "go" everywhere. I thought I could easily train him the basic skills he needed, being that I'm a stay at home. We brought him home and started training him basic things, like potty training and obedience, which he learned quite quickly, in the beggining, he had a few accidents here and there when he was allowed in the house, nothing too major. At night we would crate him and he'd go outside just like his regular routine from previous owner. NEVER once had a poop incident in the crate. we kept the same routine daily and he was doing great! we've had him for 1 year. Suddenly, within the past month, he started pooping in his crate when he's down for the night. I go get him in the morning like usual, open the crate and there's a pile of dog poo sitting in there. The crate(which is the one he always had, owner gave it to me) is small enough to where he can only lay and stand, so it's not a matter of having too much room to make a mess in. I don't understand and I'm at my wit's end!!! I've had to deal with this in the last 2 weeks straight. He has pooped in his cage every day since. I take him out of the cage, bathe him, and let him back in the house, continue the "go outside to potty" routine throughout the day (he doesn't have any accidents in the house), and then at night, I crate him and comes morning, there's poop in his cage. I even kept him outside the entire day yesterday so he wouldn't get the reward of being at home due to his behavior, and he could poop to his heart's content, and I went there this morning only to find...poop in the cage!
What's the deal?? does anyone know what I can do to stop this behavior or what am I doing wrong???? please HELP!! how can I stop this??
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Old 03-21-2011, 01:41 PM   #2
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What kind of feeding schedule is he on? Does he have regular meal times and are they consistent?

What kind of activity does he have? Scheduled meal times and exercise are excellent means of regulating pooping times.

How long is he in the crate at night? Does he have a consistent bedtime and waking time?

Have you bred him?

The answers to these questions will help determine what is going on and the solution to the problem.

Yorkies should be kept inside. They are very susceptible to attacks from other animals or birds of prey, and they are sensitive to hot and cold weather. Exercise caution. Yorkies are social animals and need plenty of human interaction.

Also, he will not be able to connect in his mind that you are making him stay outside because he is pooping in his crate at night.
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Hi, thanks for the reply...
He is on a feeding schedule, he's been on the same schedule as my other 4 yr old yorkie female. they have a small portion at breakfast, then a small portion lunch and a small portion at dinner. He gets plenty of exercise as well, he's adapted well to the schedule of the house. we go for walks during the day at the beach or the neighborhood and after dinner, we walk them again. we play during the day and I take them with me when I run errands or go shopping in the car. He has plenty of attention. he's part of my daily routine.
he is in a cage for 7/8 hrs at night. just like my other yorkie. that's about the amount of time we're sleeping. he's never had a problem before.

He did however recently mate with my female. we considered the option of breeding and she was in heat, so they attached last week. since then, this has happened...could it be due to the breeding? but it started before he even was bred...

he is a house dog, he's been outside the last two days because I'm out of patience and resources...not thinking the outside is much of a punishment at all either...it's more a reward than anything else.

To top it off, we gave him a bath after his episode again today, washed his crate, set him back in there after he ate as a "punishment" only to find more poop 20 mins later...what's the deal???
any other ideas on what I'm doing wrong here???
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I don't really believe in "punishing" dogs. Their minds do not work like ours. I've always been taught and firmly believe that a dog will only associate a reprimand with the action at the time of the reprimand. For example, if the dog poos in the crate, and you find it in the morning, and say "bad dog", he will not associate the "bad dog" with the pooing in the crate....he will associate it with you.

If you catch your dog in the act of chewing on something they shouldn't, or pooing where they shouldn't, then a guttural "no" is a good reprimand. They will associate your displeasure with whatever they are doing.

I believe this is the same for praising a good action. When I catch Peyton using his piddle pad I say "good boy!"
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A crate is a den not a cage!
You need to switch to a play pen I prefer a 6' x 6' but a 4' x 4' works
4 areas in it 1/4 of the overall area each
It needs a potty area (pad grid potty patch scented potty area works best), play area bed area (crate with soft bed in it) and play area... crate in leave door open:heck take door off if you can even top too for now...

I have a pup mill rescue took over 6 months for him to learn he didn't need to potty and lay next to feces...once the natural instinct to not potty in den is broken its hard to fix...stop crating. Sounds like dog is being crated too long and schedule is way off...


Outdoors:
Put all poop in one area you want t be the potty area...be sure it's sufficiently sized...remove all potty from everywhere else immediately...leash walk there and give potty command...when achieved use food/treat reward and praise.
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Remove all potty immediately, use bleach to remove scent completely...feed on strict schedule and keep dog out of crate and with you for 20 minutes then take potty, carry dog, leash dog whatever it takes. Take potty walk play ball encourage "movement" then even if you have to pick up and carry while pooping starts (gross I know-trust me I really know) take to potty spot.
***Punishing is ineffective and can work against you hence the dilemma now...try using a brown rice based food like Innova (the one with the Yorkie on it) small bites chicken.
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Your complaining about his past owner leaving him outside then you turn around and do the same thing and thats okay because its convenient to you. Shame on you! He just needs to be taught where you want him to go potty and he cant be if hes in thr crate all the time for outside. Is he on a schedule for eating? Do you take him out frequently when crating. To be honest I dont like crates I like xpens. It just takes patience and consistancy and it is going to take work on your part.
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Hi, thanks for the reply...
He is on a feeding schedule, he's been on the same schedule as my other 4 yr old yorkie female. they have a small portion at breakfast, then a small portion lunch and a small portion at dinner. He gets plenty of exercise as well, he's adapted well to the schedule of the house. we go for walks during the day at the beach or the neighborhood and after dinner, we walk them again. we play during the day and I take them with me when I run errands or go shopping in the car. He has plenty of attention. he's part of my daily routine.
he is in a cage for 7/8 hrs at night. just like my other yorkie. that's about the amount of time we're sleeping. he's never had a problem before.

He did however recently mate with my female. we considered the option of breeding and she was in heat, so they attached last week. since then, this has happened...could it be due to the breeding? but it started before he even was bred...

he is a house dog, he's been outside the last two days because I'm out of patience and resources...not thinking the outside is much of a punishment at all either...it's more a reward than anything else.

To top it off, we gave him a bath after his episode again today, washed his crate, set him back in there after he ate as a "punishment" only to find more poop 20 mins later...what's the deal???
any other ideas on what I'm doing wrong here???
Are the poops solid and firm? How often is he pooping per day? A vet check may be in order, especially because this is a recent development. Stool sample should be checked annually.

The behavior may also be linked to his reaction to your girl coming into season, into heat. Intact males tend to get a little crazy when a female goes into heat.

Sounds like he is getting plenty of exercise, attention, and that he has a routine, scheduled feedings...dinner not too late in the evening.

I agree with Bitsy that punishment is generally counterproductive. The dog simply won't link in his mind that you are putting him in the crate or outside because he is pooping in the wrong place at the wrong time. Focus on positive reinforcement. When he does poop in the correct place, praise him profusely.

You may also want to try waking up earlier and taking him out to poop. Once again, this may be linked to your girl going into season. His system may have sped up and he may not be able to go 7-8 hours without pooping. My little guy poops late in the evening and sometimes needs to go again as early as 5:30 am. He knows how to wake me up.
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I'm going to be really blunt...if you don't know what's wrong with the way you are caring for this male, you have no business breeding!

Btw...do you realize that the current temperatures & weather forecast for Pismo Beach are not suitable for a Yorkie to be left outside for any length of time let alone a punishment???
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Hi, thanks for the reply...
He is on a feeding schedule, he's been on the same schedule as my other 4 yr old yorkie female. they have a small portion at breakfast, then a small portion lunch and a small portion at dinner. He gets plenty of exercise as well, he's adapted well to the schedule of the house. we go for walks during the day at the beach or the neighborhood and after dinner, we walk them again. we play during the day and I take them with me when I run errands or go shopping in the car. He has plenty of attention. he's part of my daily routine.
he is in a cage for 7/8 hrs at night. just like my other yorkie. that's about the amount of time we're sleeping. he's never had a problem before.

He did however recently mate with my female. we considered the option of breeding and she was in heat, so they attached last week. since then, this has happened...could it be due to the breeding? but it started before he even was bred...

he is a house dog, he's been outside the last two days because I'm out of patience and resources...not thinking the outside is much of a punishment at all either...it's more a reward than anything else.

To top it off, we gave him a bath after his episode again today, washed his crate, set him back in there after he ate as a "punishment" only to find more poop 20 mins later...what's the deal???
any other ideas on what I'm doing wrong here???
Just wondering but Buster always seems to need to poop about 20 minutes to 1/2 hour after eating. Perhaps instead of putting him in a crate you get an pen or gate him in the bathroom after eating if you can not take him outside after dinner. I would worry about leaving him outside all day because of birds of prey, or Yorkie thieves. Does he have shade?
Buster is pretty well trained but he still has accidents indoors. Someone called it the Yorkie factor. Best of luck!
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Just wondering but Buster always seems to need to poop about 20 minutes to 1/2 hour after eating. Perhaps instead of putting him in a crate you get an pen or gate him in the bathroom after eating if you can not take him outside after dinner. I would worry about leaving him outside all day because of birds of prey, or Yorkie thieves. Does he have shade?Buster is pretty well trained but he still has accidents indoors. Someone called it the Yorkie factor. Best of luck!
Shade...? Let's try temps in the 50's and rain in the forecast.

Maybe the question should be is why do you need to cage your dogs for 7-8 hours every night? If you are a stay at home owner, why aren't your dogs sleeping with you or in a dog bed in your room?

I don't get it...
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I would ask you the same thing...why do yur little ones have to spend 7-8 hrs in a crate, all night?? I cannot even fathom leaving your little one outside because you are "out of patience". Do you honestly believe that he knows why he is left out in the cold? It sounds to me like you may be better off with a big hearty dog...one that "likes" to be outside.

try a little more love..it goes a long way.
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I'm going to be really blunt...if you don't know what's wrong with the way you are caring for this male, you have no business breeding!

Btw...do you realize that the current temperatures & weather forecast for Pismo Beach are not suitable for a Yorkie to be left outside for any length of time let alone a punishment???
Seriously!? This is posted by a "breeder" Someone who doesn't understand dog basics but is also taking on breeding?
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I would ask you the same thing...why do yur little ones have to spend 7-8 hrs in a crate, all night?? I cannot even fathom leaving your little one outside because you are "out of patience". Do you honestly believe that he knows why he is left out in the cold? It sounds to me like you may be better off with a big hearty dog...one that "likes" to be outside.

try a little more love..it goes a long way.
And education...please, for the dogs.
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