Thanks! I moved in with my bf in June. Since June they have gone out to the same place every single day. I ask them if they want to go out, they run to the stairs and go to the door, I let them out and for only about 10 mins at most (specifically to potty only). Housebreaking on a daily basis is getting better but still needs a lot of work. Some days there are NO accidents at all and then some days it's like a bomb exploded when I get home from work. :(

What I REALLY do not get is the pooping in the living room or somewhere when I shut them out of the room. Like I can go into the bedroom and shut the door, they will whine at the door for a bit and then walk away. When I come out 5 mins later, they have pooped in the living room or kitchen or somewhere. I don't get that. What doggy mentality is that?? :confused:

I am no expert by any means, but I simply don't believe they are vindictive. To way that a pup will squat while outside and "act" like it is going to the bathroom to fool me so that he/she can come into the house and tick me off by soiling in the house is just ludicrous to me. I do believe they hide what they are doing because they know we don't approve...but I still think it is more a matter of a bit of confusion on their parts.

I agree... I do not think it's vindictive. However, I don't know how to explain why they do something like that when I'm not in the room. Anxious, nervous, separation issues??? They are smart boys who know to go outside for potty, but this type of behavior happens just about EVERY time I shut them out of a room that I'm in, even for only 3 mins. I am lost on this one. I know when I come out of the room to just start hunting for where they went cuz it's somewhere, no doubt.

Doing some research, this could be a jealousy issue. Negative attention is better than no attention. I guess I can GET the problem, but no idea how to fix it. I have had them all their lives pretty much, from 9 weeks old, just over 5 years Ive had them in my home. They get SOOO much (ridiculous amounts - as if!!! LOL) love and attention and affection. When I am home I am all over them, playing, cuddling, loving on them. I think I created little monsters. When I'm home but not physically there giving them attention they get jealous and display bad behavior.

Do you give them negative attention for pottying while you were in another room? If yes, try just cleaning the mess up and ignore them, don't say anything to them. If they are doing it for attention, then removing the attention should fix the problem.

Mine follow me everywhere, even into my tiny bathroom when I take a potty break. Talk about funny, I felt like they were making sure I was housebroken instead of the other way around! I don't mind though, at least I know they're not out and about in the house making messes.

Morgan can be a "fake" pee'er. I've actually seen her acting like she is urinating just so I'll let her back in the house.She doesn't really do it anymore but used to do it a lot when she was a puppy. Usually she did it when there was something or some one great in the house that she wanted to play with, or she did it in bad weather (snow, rain). In fact, thanks to the snow, this is how i discovered she was doing it. Her first winter she was 7-9 months old and we had some storms that left 1-2 feet of snow. she didn't like walking in the deeper snow and hadn't yet figured out to hug the house where its shallower like she does now. I couldn't figure out why she was peeing in the house after i JUST took her outside and saw her pee. So I started putting her back on a leash and going all the way outside with her so i could see what she was (or wasn't) doing. I swear to god, as soon as she set foot out in the snow, she sniffed around for 2 seconds, squatted like she was peeing for a few seconds and then tried to run back to the screen door. I bent down to check it out and what do you know, no yellow snow or melted tiny pee hole. I took her back to the spot and she did it again! So i then stood out there for 20 minutes until she finally went. Then we went back inside.

She tried it many times again during that winter but i figured out how to tell if she was fake peeing or actually peeing from my position at the doorway. Eventually she stopped doing it.

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My stomach turned and my heart sank when I read this post. The only good thing is you have come to a site of Yorkie lovers, who have joined this forum and ask for help and be given advice when needed and make friends. Please take the advice given and ask your Fiance to read these posts too... they are not ment in malice, just over whelming concern for the dog! Although the rescue option may seem harsh to some and your fiance will probably hit the roof when she reads on....! being selfish of her own needs and not the needs of this little furby is unacceptable to dog lovers.

Bdog does the same thing. My fiance has gotten her in the habit of go pee, get back into the house and when it's cold outside, she doesn't like going out. She will do the same steps. It is forward thinking and planning ahead...a cause and effect scenario if you will. Does this support the ability to be vindictive, not from the research that I have done in the last few days, but any animal that has an understanding of action/reaction borderlines on the idea that the mental capacity and the capability of such behavior.

What I would like to know is why doing something they know is wrong in a situation like that instead of pacing, barking or something other than a bodily function that has been heavily frowned upon. Why would they default to something like that... Hmmmmmm, interesting question and until somebody learns to speak dog, we'll never truly know.

I guess I could just say "I think so" or "I don't think so" - that's one way to do it I suppose. ;)

Update for you all:
Sunday was the start of a new beginning. When I got home, Bdog was let out and we started working on a few things. I did have to leash her to the chair where my fiance sits so she wouldn't pace and I could know she wasn't doing anything wrong. She wanted down, but while I was studying, she wasn't allowed to.

We went into the living room later and she sat beside my legs while I read in the recliner and watched a little Top Gear (I wasn't too impressed by the way, they need to work on the show to make it better). We went outside a few times and she wouldn't "drop the chalupa" but did pee a few times. Fiance got home and they did the meet and greet while I chatted a little and then went back to study more.

Bdog dropped the chalupa in the kennel over the course of the night. I didn't notice because I went to bed about 4 or 5 and got up at 7 to go take my test.

I didn't get a lot of time at the apartment over Monday because of duties at school and a second test I took today. I came home yesterday for a nap and went back to campus to study and meet with a design team because I'm a TA for the Senior Design projects. I studied until about 5 am and was in bed about 6, got up about noon so I could take my test at 2:30 - fiance left at 2 so we were pretty much following each other out the door. I got done with the exam and met another group for a lab session to figure out the report. I get home at 7 so I can pack and go home to do the holiday and work in my shop to keep the business going. I came in and Bdog messed the crate again.

I got her out and put her on the leash. All she wanted to do was hug the ground and submit - and before anyone says anything, this is what she does to my fiance or anyone that handles her when she makes a mess. She knows she did something wrong or that is not acceptable. It has nothing to do with 2 swats on her nose...and while I'm on that subject, you would think that I tried to knock her into next week when I did by your responses- I'm pretty sure it pissed her off a lot more than it hurt her. I know I'm a lot bigger, but I for darn sure know I can hit a LOT harder than I did with an open hand.

Anyway, so she's submitting and walking as low to the ground as possible so I take her over to the carpet and try working on sit....all she wants to do is submit and say "I'm sorry." I keep trying to get her to sit up...nothing, lay on the back, belly up. I try shake....nothing. So I get out a treat - you could see the confusion on her face. She started to try the submit into a roll over...like she was saying "sorry... but can I have that???" Hahaha, it was pretty funny - you had to be here.

So I'm holding the treat and we are working on speak. She went from the submit to "Ok, we are doing something different here, what does this guy want???" After about 5 minutes, I got a low growl to a BURF! She got the treat. Again, after speak and waiting a few seconds and repeating myself, she had it after about 30 seconds.

Once she did the trick, we went outside and she went pee.

My plan is this right now. We are going to learn speak on command and speak is the trick she will have to do in order to go outside. I'm hoping this will carry into a walk to the door and bark to let us know she wants to go outside. I'm going to insist that my fiance or myself doesn't use the speak trick for anything other than going outside. In order to come back inside or open up other doors will have to be met with a sit so she doesn't run to the doors and jump on them...but reinforce calm behavior and learning this NILF plan....but speak is to be used to go outside and associate it with the the potty outside.

She's laying in the kitchen right now - I swear I smell dog poo, but it's probably left over from the crate. I can't see her, but I can hear when she's moving - plus, I'm done for the Thanksgiving recess so I'm not doing homework.

What do you all think, good plan?

P.S. I didn't do anything, not even scold or looked cross at her for the mess - I didn't even mention it to her or speak under my breath. I'll probably not clean the crate to help reinforce my fiance's involvement with this...I don't want her thinking I am going to be there to clean it if she won't keep to the schedule and training....hahaha.

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Well, at least it's a plan... another step in the right direction.

If I may suggest though:

Whenever anyone lets her out of the crate, she should be taken right outside to relieve herself. Especially with her submissiveness, if she has to pee, she may start submissive peeing and you don't want that. As she realizes she's not being scolded for messing in her crate, that behavior should begin to disappear. Also, it can take days to a week or more for her body to adjust to the feeding schedule changes, so she needs time to adjust. Also, it's really the humans' fault for not seeing her signals in time to get her out of the crate and allow her to potty outside. (Just reinforcing that 'thinking', not reprimanding here).

I understand where you're at with leaving the poop in the crate but... this is not a good idea. If anything, you're going to get the DF pissed off for one, and you need to see what you're teaching Bdog at the same time. Your main goal is to teach Bdog not to poop in the crate, so the crate needs to be kept clean at all times. Leaving the mess in there for any length of time is only reinforcing behavior you do not want...
Another issue to consider here is 'Dirty Dog Syndrome'. This is where a dog totally loses the natural instinct to be clean, and comes from being kept in a soiled environment. I'm not saying that this is happening, but could possibly be borderline in this case, as Bdog is an older dog, and has been in a dirty crate more frequently than is desirable. If Bdog loses the will to be clean... it takes an insurmountable amount of work to get it back. Bdog needs to be kept clean also (maybe she is IDK, just need to let this be known). Any poop needs to be cleaned from her feet and butt and coat immediately. Also, Yorkies are notorious for getting butt plugs, when the poop sticks to the hair around the butt and can actually cause a blockage. Keeping the hair trimmed short around the anus can help prevent this, but she should still be checked frequently.

Do you think DF will get more on-board with the 'program' when she begins to see small improvements in Bdog's behaviors? I know I would. If anything, get a second crate to swap out so Bdog always has a clean crate.

Key times to take Bdog outside to potty are: First thing in the morning, last thing at night, after each and every play/training session, and after naps/quiet times, and after meals (watch her for timing on this one- could be 10-30 minutes after eating), and whenever anyone comes home from school or work. (Come in, put your stuff down, get her right out of the crate and outside.) And the last thing before you leave for school or work.

Please consider adoption, this poor girl needs to be in a home where she isn't living in fear of the people around her.

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This isn't a fair statement. I don't want to ruffle feathers since I admire and respect you both for all you do for animals and your helpful advice, but this person is reaching out, asking for help and you both keep saying to get rid of the dog. That's not going to happen.

This dog displays a lot of the same traits as my Fletcher does. As for you telling him that he is not a good dog owner because of the dogs behavior, well you are hurting and offending ME also. My Fletcher is VERY submissive to me for NO real reason. I never hit him, I am very loving to him, gentle and know his quirky personality, but its seemingly unwarranted. I am trying to get information from this thread as well as others are I'm sure. I've had Fletcher since he was 9 weeks old, and he is now 5 years and 3 months old. I have his brother also for the same length of time, my Dexter, who is NOTHING like that at all, not submissive, not sketchy of noises and people. Fletcher literally jumps when he is laying with you and you so much as snicker at the TV or sneeze. Its sad and it breaks my heart.

I think it's time you STOP saying to get rid of the dog, that is not going to happen. Help or please, find a new thread. I feel this owner is TRYING and genuinely loves this dog and wants to help her be a better dog. Your responses as of now are not helpful to him or anyone else looking for objective advice.

I would just like to add that Poppy fake pee's too.
And I know she does because I've seen her do it lots of times.
I actually think she is doing it for a treat, because I am training her to go outside she gets a treat when she potty's outside.
So a few times she has squated and fake peed then ran up to me and waited for a treat... I go over to the place were she squated and it's bone dry. ;)
So now I make sure I check before she gets a treat and she dosn't do it as much.

We all have different opinions on things and you are not ruffling my feathers at all. :)

But, that being said, I have a submissive pup as well and know that I did not cause it. This person has clearly admitted to some pretty agregious behaviors with this pup. Seems he just keeps piling on the button pushing themes...and none of you are catching on. That's fine, but to ignore some of his remarks is not something I can cater to.

This has nothing to do with you or your pups. I don't even see how you could think that. You have never posted that you do the things to your pups that he says he has done.

I agree, and will not suggest again that he should surrender this pup, because it is not his pup to do so with anyway! I will simply say that I have seen these things more times than I can count, and I know how they end up. I hope you all are able to perform a miracle; but given that he is some super secret government person who cannot even give the name of his dog for fear of exposure:rolleyes:, I guess none of us will really know for sure. We will just have to take the word of this person.

My thumbs up were basically to Deuce's comments about his last "book" where he continued to carry on. I felt that they were right on target. This man is really not very funny at all. And, again, I am having some real reservations about his sincerety. But..I would not worry too much if I were you, as his last PM to me said he was going to put me on ignore. :)

Oh, now that I can see! I just don't think that they would fake it so that they could go back to the house and be vindictive and eliminate where they were SURE to be smacked or otherwise "disciplined".

Sometimes I am too naive or innocent for my own good... but I always try to be hopeful for someone else.

Luvsdogs2 - Please take to heart that people here LOVE this breed, they are passionate about them and they want to see each and every dog in this world loved and treated right. We have (as a forum) seen and heard some HORRENDOUS things happen to dogs that would make a grown man cry like a baby. Ladyjane does work with dogs that sadly came from the worst of the worst. Her hopes and intentions for each dog is bigger than anyone Ive ever seen or heard. It physically hurts her (and emotionally and mentally) to hear of a dog being mistreated in any way. As it does for a lot of us.

If you are TRULY in need of help/advice for your dog, please stay and learn and let us know how this goes. If you are putting us on or making up stories, please GO. When I look my babies in the eye and I see all the love in the world shining there, I know there is no greater gift in my life. I know that it is ME who is blessed to have them and their unconditional love. Yorkies are a unique breed of dog. You need to give Bdog patience, love, time and more love. I could not stand to think that your beautiful girl, your loving, wonderful, sweet girl is not getting all the love that she so deserves, because she loves you, despite everything, she does.

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I am not a Yorkie owner as of yet, (I am hoping to meet a potential breeder in the middle of December, she wants to meet me in person before she considers giving me one of her babies...and rightfully so!) but I've found a lot of people's comments on here extremely helpful in thinking about how to take care/train a yorkie. I do agree with the above comment that it seems as if everyone here is passionate about the breed, and from reading close to almost the ENTIRE thread, it does appear to me that the OP does not share this same compassion/care as all of the other owners here. The OP was full of frustration, and even anger, and a lot of comments were made about the fact that if Bdog continues the way she/he? is behaving then she/he? must go. Your OP went from blaming Bdog's behavior on the dog (even insinuating that Bdog is maliciously holding pee/poop to anger you) to now saying that you are only here asking for help and that you really want to train him etc, while at the same time mentioning all of these "obstacles" and "time constraints" you may have. While at the same time, trying to argue with members here for expressing their opinion and telling them to leave "your" thread. Ladyjane, I completely agree with you and think that the OP is not sincere, in fact it seems as if he is constantly changing his demeanor/respones depending on who is replying. Also, I found it interesting that the OP was quicker to reply (and at length) to comments that were directed at the OP's behavior (i.e. hitting the dog, lack of time, care attention, dismissing the fact the OP made clear mention of getting rid of the dog), but when members replied at LENGTH on steps the OP can take to help train and rectify the situation, not only would the OP forget to reply, but if he did, then it would be a short declaration of "great advice" or something similarly shallow.

While I am not answering any questions regarding how to help train Bdog, I do offer from a pretty objective standpoint (after sitting back and reading through this entire thread), that you find a rescue to give Bdog a chance of a happy home. If you cannot even deal with criticism on a forum about your behavior in a respectful way, (i.e. comparing ladyjane to a "bad dog") then I think it is quite clear that you have even less patience to deal with a small dog (I also understand that you have "raised dogs" for many years prior to this, but clearly previous experience is not helping you here. I have owned a dog before (he just passed away after 15 years), and I am here avidly reading/researching on how to take care of a yorkie and I do not PRESUME that my previous experience with a dog will lead me to be able to raise a Yorkie). And I understand that you've made mention of the fact that if you didn't care you wouldn't be posting here to begin with, but honestly it just seems to me like you just want to use this forum as an "I told you so" against your fiance rather than coming from you actually caring about Bdog.

Luvsdogs2,

There is a book I always recommend for dog training issues.
"The Loved Dog" by Tamar Geller.
I can always find it at Half Price Books, or it is at any of the major book retailers.
In no way am I an expert on dog behavior but I have had pups with issues and this book helped me more than any advise I ever received. I read Cesar Milan, took class, etc..... but this method of training always helped me.

I hope you have the time to read it, I know how busy school can make you :rolleyes: and how crazy homework loads can be.

If you take the time to properly train your dog you will find that almost nothing in this life is more rewarding. He/she will be your constant companion and devoted best friend for life. Dogs are so pleasing and learning is like the most fun thing ever for them because it makes you happy. You have this great big chance to bring your whole family (future family) to a whole new level of closeness.

Best of luck to you. Maybe one day we can see a picture of this little rascal of yours, no?

Tamar Geller is an excellent reference! :)

Oh no I totally agree, dogs are not vindictive they just dont think that way. :)

I am so sorry for poor little Bdog. I get the sense that luvsdogs2 thinks he knows everything about everything. Many men in engineering do.

And if you are reading this luvsdogs2, yes, I am talking about and to, you.

You are anthropomorphizing your dog. If you think your dog is vindictive maybe you need to take a look at your own motivations. It's possible your real anger is at your fiancee and you are taking it out on the dog. Just because you have had a couple of well behaved ranch dogs doesn't make you an expert in dog training. Those kinds of dogs are a whole different breed, literally and figuratively.

Please, open your eyes and your heart and seek at least a little professional help. That is what you expect people to do with you when they don't have your expertise and training, isn't it? Isn't that why you are working on a degree? So people will come to you for expert advice?

Do the same for yourself and your future family. You will be amazed at the difference it can make. Now, you can put me on ignore, too.

Boy, I think you hit the nail on the head. Plus, he gets to sense the aggravation in a few more women. If we quit feeding in he will probably go away, if he hasn't already. It's sad, but I don't think anything we say is going to affect his behavior anyway. That's not what he's here for.

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Maddie did that sorta stuff when she was a puppy. She knew what I wanted when I said 'get busy'. She also figured out that getting busy led to lots of praise and something tasty. She figured out pretty quick this celebration didn't happen when she got busy inside.:rolleyes:

IMO, dogs are not spiteful creatures, they do not punish, or try to pay us back for anything.

My girls are driven on receiving love and positive attention. When I got Cooper, she had came to me from owners that were too busy to "deal" with her and neglected to meet her needs, and abused her.
It took months and months of me working to earn her trust. Until that happend, I knew it was unrealistic for me to ask her to do anything for me. She had to learn what behaviors brought what consequences.

IMO, if the owner is not willing to develop the relationship needed for the best life possible for the animal, then it should be rehomed. It breaks my heart to think if Cooper had stayed in her previous situation. :(

I just had to ask, why do you think giving the dog's name would reveal identity, hmmm?

I've been following this thread but finally felt compelled to post. I've lived my entire life with engineers. My dad was one. So was my first husband and both of my children. I work with engineers every day. You are usually intelligent logical thinkers. Please, read Tamar Geller's book. It is a fabulous book and I believe that it will help you understand training with kindness. Let it sink in and if you are as intelligent as most engineers I know your outlook on training will be forever changed. It might even help you be a better parent down the road. The principles are the same.

Welcome to YT! Will look forward to seeing more of you and hearing about your baby when you get him/her! :) I commend you for taking the time to research before buying!