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concretegurl 11-28-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3341371)
I'll call around in the next couple of days to see if we can get somebody over.
Examples:
- putting Bdog on the floor for unfavorable behavior in bed.
- Diet
- No scolding for anything

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There you go getting a trainer to come into your home is an awesome idea. You'll still have to do a lot of training on your own as well. Scolding isn't bad-if no one scolded no dog would know what wasn't okay-it's how you scold weather it be cruel or unproductive or a positive reinforcement accompanied by a realization of something being unacceptable behavior.

Luvdogs2 11-28-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3341353)
Ugh, in attempts to offer a possible solution I'd like to say this, training of this dog is not going to be easy, the best solution seems to re-home this dog with someone who is WILLING to give out the effort loving, training and providing a good quality of life.
If that doesn't happen, there has to be the realization that this will take effort, we are not talking about a puppy we are talking about a 6 year old dog who has ingrained behaviors.
1. Biting is unacceptable-but using physical punishment or simply caging the dog won't help it only repeats the pattern. Try a mussel (a soft mussel that allows for drinking while its on I can suggest several quality safe kinds if you private message me). Using a verbal command to discontinue this behavior works and musseling is a temporary part of the no-bite training not an end all. Musseling is used to stop biting as a last resort and to create a no-biting training platform. If the dog can be petted and learn to behave while musseled then soon they learn they can't bite and you can move on to step two.
2. Potty training is hard with older dogs or with dogs whom have previously not been house broken. The dogs needs a regular feeding schedule ACCOMPANIED by a walking outside potty schedule or it just won't work. Dogs need to potty about 30 minutes after they eat. I feed my dogs Innova small bites (the one with the Yorkie on it) kibble not wet food (wet food and treats are like laxatives right now for you)-it has brown rice which causes more absorption of the kibble and less piles less often. Cleaning any potty mess completely is mandatory if a dog smells any remaining potty scent they will continue to go there. Create a smaller area the dog is allowed in within the home to create the basis for no pottying in the house. Have yo considered a play yard area?-The same ones you buy for babies. This allows the dogs an area you can paper and use the grid removal system just as with puppies and while you are busy doing homework (which I should be doing now but I'm so concerned I'm using my time to aid you in this) the dog has a n area to play in instead of being in a kennel-which becomes a cage used that way and doesn't do a darn thing in aiding turning this situation around.
3.If you can try a couple things to tackle the biting and pottying in the house then you can see some progress and move on from there. THIS TAKES EFFORT! YOU GET WITH DOGS WHAT YOU GIVE>it really is that simple. I take breaks from homework to go for a walk around our block and I walk my dogs one at a time. This gives my mind a break to be clear and refreshed and relieves both some physical energy for me and my dogs...it's really that simple a 5 minute walk can do wonders-obviously a longer walk or many more 5 minute walks help but its a start and will help both of you.
Feel free to PM me if you need detailed advice musseling and so forth really is last resort type training and shouldn't be used as a basic training method. Remember dogs may not be as cognitive as people but what they lack in cognizance they excel in sensing how we feel and feel toward them...weather we "show" it or not. You really do get with dogs what you give...remember that.

concrete,

I've been seeing my fiance for over 3 years now and Bdog only bit me 3 times, but hasn't for a long while. I don't think she needs a muzzle and she's miserable when she wears one (as I have been told). She has one, but we choose not to put it on. I just don't want to see her droopy and down. I know they serve purpose, but I honestly don't think she's that untrustworthy. The only time would be in bed at night that I would be nervous, but again I don't want to strap the thing on and leave her like that all night.

I've told my fiance that she needs to feed and go out 30 minutes later before I became a member. I also passed along that every 2 hours should be done to keep her from going inside, and though she didn't like hearing it, I told her what I was told here. If she's peeing inside, it's our fault for not taking her out often enough. I think the response was "I take her out all the time" I'm working on taking her out more and doing the speak at the door idea to hopefully get her to speak to let us know she's wanting out. I would also like to work the bell idea, but the fiance didn't have luck with that. My opinion, I think she got frustrated and gave up...but that's just my thought.

I'll be doing the study break walks when I'm home. Not that I'm gone 20 days out of 21, but it's usually Monday, Wednesday and Friday that I'm gone all day (and the weekends) but that's never a set schedule because of the group projects and needing to meet the other students around their schedules too.

Like I said, its hectic now, but it's looking to get a lot better in a month.

concretegurl 11-28-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3341376)
concrete,

I've been seeing my fiance for over 3 years now and Bdog only bit me 3 times, but hasn't for a long while. I don't want to strap the thing on and leave her like that all night.



I'll be doing the study break walks when I'm home. Not that I'm gone 20 days out of 21, but it's usually Monday, Wednesday and Friday that I'm gone all day (and the weekends) but that's never a set schedule because of the group projects and needing to meet the other students around their schedules too.

I guess I assumed the biting was worse and no(!) never leave a muzzle on for an extended period only when you are trying to work with her...all night would be insane! Glad to hear the study walking is something you can do-it's nice to have a set schedule but as a single mom and working full time and going to school full time I didn't have the luxury for a set schedule with anything either for the longest time-as much as you can whenever you can-I just found that for me taking short walks more often worked better than trying to schedule regular long walks. For example my dog went with me almost everywhere and if we went to the post office then to the corner store he'd walk with me from one to the other and back to proceed with our day that was like 3 minute walk both ways but it was a needed break to get out energy and then go back to the office

Luvdogs2 11-29-2010 12:25 AM

Hey all, I got home and I heard her barking as I walked down the hall. She must know my key jingle as I walk because she lets my fiance know when I'm about to walk in the door way before it opens. She doesn't bark at the door if anyone else walks down the hall, that is unless somebody knocks.

Well, I get inside and my fiance is dozing on the couch. Bdog jumps back onto the couch where her chewy is and her little nub tail is going so fast it's blurry. I talk to her as I'm putting things down and ask her to come over and see me. She jumps down and walks towards me, but as I'm dropping my stuff, when I look back, she's back on the couch.

I got done organizing my stuff and say a few more hellos as I walk up to her. Get this!! I asked her if she was being good and I start petting her....NO GROWLS, NO TEETH!!!

THIS IS A FIRST!!!

I don't know if it's a turning point, but we'll see how it goes. I just wanted to let you know.

concretegurl 11-29-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3341532)
Hey all, I got home and I heard her barking as I walked down the hall. She must know my key jingle as I walk because she lets my fiance know when I'm about to walk in the door way before it opens. She doesn't bark at the door if anyone else walks down the hall, that is unless somebody knocks.

Well, I get inside and my fiance is dozing on the couch. Bdog jumps back onto the couch where her chewy is and her little nub tail is going so fast it's blurry. I talk to her as I'm putting things down and ask her to come over and see me. She jumps down and walks towards me, but as I'm dropping my stuff, when I look back, she's back on the couch.

I got done organizing my stuff and say a few more hellos as I walk up to her. Get this!! I asked her if she was being good and I start petting her....NO GROWLS, NO TEETH!!!

THIS IS A FIRST!!!

I don't know if it's a turning point, but we'll see how it goes. I just wanted to let you know.

Maybe this because you have changed your frustration into momentum in seeking out help and maybe that alleviated her sensing your frustration here's what I said earlier and I'm just quoting what others have said, dog trainers, animal behaviorist etc...congrats it seems to be a small change that has paved the way to a better future.:congrats:
Remember dogs may not be as cognitive as people but what they lack in cognizance they excel in sensing how we feel and feel toward them...weather we "show" it or not. You really do get with dogs what you give...remember that.

kjc 11-29-2010 09:41 AM

Just note: The schedules and training all have suggested here are all quite intensive. This needs to be done when beginning training. Once trained (or as she picks up what is being taught), it will be much more less demanding of both of you, and you'll have more time for fun with the Bdog.

Yorkies are like children in the sense that they thrive more when you expect things from them, or set limits for them. When they have no rules, they takeover the house.

I learned this when my last dogs got old. Seems like when they reach a certain age, they are trained and I really didn't have to do much to keep them behaving. When they passed, and I welcomed new dogs into my home, I was overwhelmed and didn't realize till then how well trained my previous dogs were. I knew then I had to get on board with training them, or they would drive me nuts. I initially felt like I didn't have the energy to train them, but I no longer enjoyed their company as I had with my older dogs. When I decided it was time to change, I did and now we are a work in progress. It did take time for me to adjust to the new schedules too, and to always be watchful of my new charges. It was just something I wasn't quite prepared to do, in the beginning.

Luvdogs2 11-29-2010 11:23 PM

Can I ask some non dog advice from those on this forum? I know it's not the purpost of the theads and such, but my fiance and I had a bit of a moment tonight and it was about looking for a house.

We didn't fight or anything, but she didn't like the idea of going house shopping when things start leveling off and things slow up a bit. We have been dating for a while and only been engaged since August. We know each other very well, but we also have so much to learn through our lives together and though we aren't even remotely close to actually buying a house, I think it would be a great time to start looking so we can start taking notes on pricing, quality for the price, feeling out the home market and figuring out one anthers' expectations in what we want to establish a family in. I also think it would be fun and a chance to learn a bit more about each other.

One argument I heard was that we don't know how much money we will have. Well, the school I go to has a 95 percent job placement in the field of study within 6 months and the average is well over $50,000 a year starting salary. This is obviously different pending on location as cost of living is different pending on regions. Homes in Chicago, Illinois can sell for 2 million dollars and a home of similar style and condition can run about 200,000. She doesn't think looking now is a good idea because we don't even know where we are living.

I don't see it as being a bad idea to just look. I sounds like fun and something we can do together as a couple too. We don't need to buy or make any commitments.

Can I hear your thoughts on this? Does anyone else think this is too premature? If anything, I think it would be fun too.

Back to Bdog, she still had her chewy today because she didn't finish it up. I worked on the putting it down and wouldn't let her jump up onto my lap until she put it down. I got her to do it twice, and I never got a growl either when I asked her to jump in the chair so I could kneel down and be a little more on her level to pet her and say hi when I got home.

It still early to tell, but it looks baby steps and a little progress here. It sure has me excited and boosting confidence in me.

I'll keep posting.

concretegurl 11-30-2010 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3342297)
Can I ask some non dog advice from those on this forum? I know it's not the purpost of the theads and such, but my fiance and I had a bit of a moment tonight and it was about looking for a house.

We didn't fight or anything, but she didn't like the idea of going house shopping when things start leveling off and things slow up a bit. We have been dating for a while and only been engaged since August. We know each other very well, but we also have so much to learn through our lives together and though we aren't even remotely close to actually buying a house, I think it would be a great time to start looking so we can start taking notes on pricing, quality for the price, feeling out the home market and figuring out one anthers' expectations in what we want to establish a family in. I also think it would be fun and a chance to learn a bit more about each other.

One argument I heard was that we don't know how much money we will have. Well, the school I go to has a 95 percent job placement in the field of study within 6 months and the average is well over $50,000 a year starting salary. This is obviously different pending on location as cost of living is different pending on regions. Homes in Chicago, Illinois can sell for 2 million dollars and a home of similar style and condition can run about 200,000. She doesn't think looking now is a good idea because we don't even know where we are living.

I don't see it as being a bad idea to just look. I sounds like fun and something we can do together as a couple too. We don't need to buy or make any commitments.

Can I hear your thoughts on this? Does anyone else think this is too premature? If anything, I think it would be fun too.

Back to Bdog, she still had her chewy today because she didn't finish it up. I worked on the putting it down and wouldn't let her jump up onto my lap until she put it down. I got her to do it twice, and I never got a growl either when I asked her to jump in the chair so I could kneel down and be a little more on her level to pet her and say hi when I got home.

It still early to tell, but it looks baby steps and a little progress here. It sure has me excited and boosting confidence in me.

I'll keep posting.

Let us know how things go with the dog/person trainer coming over...make sure you have mini dog safe yard...or ensure you have enough left after closing to do any needed repairs/modifications

kjc 11-30-2010 01:46 AM

Check out some of the shows on HGTV... that way you can be spending more time with Bdog (who will be needing it for at least 2-3 months... intensive training, that is) and check out www.zillow.com on your computer. It's free, and it gives the most info on homes, their prices, what they last sold for and when, values of surrounding homes in the neighborhood, similar homes for sale in the area, what they last sold for and when, and some have 360 surround walk thru tours, most have pics. You can view homes throughout the USA, including Hawaii, (I didn't try Alaska or overseas). I use this site before even beginning to drive around looking. Saves gas, and keeps you from getting ripped off. :D

kjc 11-30-2010 02:06 AM

Congratulations... maybe with you interacting with her more and with a more positive mindset you've given her more confidence already.... :D From your descriptions she sounds like she's very smart.

kjc 11-30-2010 02:29 AM

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Elle 11-30-2010 04:40 AM

I don't you get it. You have a little tiny helpless innocent child that relies on you. Trusting you to care for her is nature. Yet she ismissing it. You have plenty off time for the things you value. But she isn't one one them. Classes cater to all schedules. I can disagree with things fellow yters said. Posiititive things aren't enough. I could give you a novel. But there is no replacement for proper training by a qualified professional.
I don't think a muzzle should ever be put on a yorkshire terrier. Dont criticize people that don't approve of you. Look at the name of the forum. Most people here didn't have to go to class to have a loving yorkie. However many have for fun. Many don't even own a crate because they think yorkies are above them. Many work from home to spend more time with them. Many have more clothes and friends than most people. I don't think you understand what it means to be in love with her. You wont unless you bond. Yorkies are different than a dog like a heeler.
Im assuming your post was to me? You spelled my name incorrectly.


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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3341179)
Shamrocks, you also deserve a gold star and a huge thank you from me. You have also been able to read the thread and see what I'm here for and what I'm trying to do. I agree that when honesty is displayed, many people can't grasp the content for what it is and how to move forward without clutching the past.

Ellie, the reason the thread has had moments of a train wreck is when people attempt to derail it. You have given some good advise, but you also placed a bar across the tracks too. It is because you put helpful information in your posts that I haven't added you to the ignore list as well. However, you also seem to be so sure of your FEELINGS instead of seeing the TRUTH in me. I don't wish to argue here, but if you read through the thread, it goes fine and the dialogue flows fine when people are working proactively. It's when people call me names or insinuates that I am some horrible person that I find myself compelled to defend where the wrong impressions have been made. I am guilty of responding to the chastising, but I AM receptive of the criticism when offered. I learn the most when somebody tells me I'm wrong in my actions or thinking when they follow it up with an alternative. I also find it a bit sad that you don't think that the information your fellow YT have to share is going to be helpful. That isn't a punch in the gut or anything, so please don't take it as so. Everything that was said and posted as an encouragement of training, processes or bonding ideas are all applicable ideas and sound suggestions. I would venture to say that most of the yorkie owners on this board did not need to go to classes or have professional trainers in their check book in order to develop routines and good behavior by their littlest family members.

To address taking a class - it's a great idea and all, but I don't have a set schedule on a daily routine. My duties at school have me busy, but it's a busy that I can't count on to have specific times off. 3 out of 4 of my classes require group projects and lab sessions. This means I have to meet with those 3 or 4 other students in each class to finish our assignments, labs and reports. Added to which, I'm a teaching assistant to the senior design class and I'm helping them with their projects around my schedule. I'm also employed on campus in the shop where I assist 2 other teachers by making testing apparatuses for their lab sessions and so forth. It is not uncommon for me to leave the apartment at 7am and not get home until midnight or later. Some days I don't have anything really going on besides personal homework so I am able to go home and study...but as I said, I can't watch the dog with one eye and do homework and complex problems in engineering with the other.

I've changed the idea of leaving her crated while I'm home and she's on a leash near me or tied up on the fiance's chair with a fluffy pillow to lay on. She's able to be out, see me and I talk to her while I'm working - even if it's to ask her about some algebra or other "thinking out loud" moments.

I can say this until I'm blue in the face - but I'll say it again. Rehoming - not going to happen. Do I want the dog rehomed - I hadn't even considered it, nor will I. Is it my dog - nope, but I have adopted it as I would a child or anything else my fiance had before I came to be in her life. No, we aren't married yet, but we are most certainly living and making decisions like we are. I bought a car before I proposed to her, but I included her in the purchase as a couple. Had she not said it was ok, I would not have gotten the car and I would have kept looking. We plan on our future together as if we already had made our vows before God and though we don't have the ceremony done, we are a family - and Bdog is OUR responsibility, and she will not be leaving OUR home.

I am getting ready to go back to school and see my girls. I have to finish up some laundry, lock up my shop, put my car away because I had a blow out last night and nobody has any tires in the size I need to fix the car. I'll have to drive my Jeep instead and come back when my tires are in from the special order.

I can't wait to see how the weekend went with my fiance and how much progress Bdog has made. I don't have a lot of confidence much ground was made by the response to my questions, but I'm keeping faith that she is learning and will get it down.


concretegurl 11-30-2010 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3342388)
I don't you get it. You have a little tiny helpless innocent child that relies on you. Trusting you to care for her is nature. Yet she ismissing it. You have plenty off time for the things you value. But she isn't one one them. Classes cater to all schedules. I can disagree with things fellow yters said. Posiititive things aren't enough. I could give you a novel. But there is no replacement for proper training by a qualified professional.
I don't think a muzzle should ever be put on a yorkshire terrier. Dont criticize people that don't approve of you. Look at the name of the forum. Most people here didn't have to go to class to have a loving yorkie. However many have for fun. Many don't even own a crate because they think yorkies are above them. Many work from home to spend more time with them. Many have more clothes and friends than most people. I don't think you understand what it means to be in love with her. You wont unless you bond. Yorkies are different than a dog like a heeler.
Im assuming your post was to me? You spelled my name incorrectly.

I reluctantly suggested the use of a soft muzzle because he stated being bitten prior-I don't like muzzles on any dog actually but nevertheless even little dogs shouldn't bite-having said that...he responded to me clarifying that Bdog had only bitten him 3 times...I really regret having suggested such a last ditch effort-but it seemed the situation was drastic enough in his description at the time, especially as an alternative to hearing a dog is being physically punished-I really can't understand how people can think hitting a dog that bites is actually a "training" method or a punishment and not just plain cruel furthermore continuing the cycle of aggressive behavior. Anyways I just wanted to clarify since I was the one whom suggested a muzzle it was only because I felt that if the dog was muzzled during training and thus couldn't bite the dog wouldn't be physically punished-I was relieved to hear that not only was the biting not as big an issue as first presented but that this guy actually felt a muzzle wasn't needed. I was completely taken back by his later response, a little super scary, the idea that muzzling for long periods of time would be acceptable by anyone though. Overnight even-who would actually do that!?-I really don't want an answer to that question...

concretegurl 11-30-2010 06:09 AM

Also I mean I know I'm spending a crazy amount of time on here since I'm out of work right now and actually a bit stressed on waiting to get into a new vet for some issues with my Elvie (some how being on here talking about Yorkie stuff makes me feel more proactive instead of waiting for appointment day)-but I wonder if all the time spent on here with these super long posts could be better spent implementing the advice of people on here in proper training of Bdog--? We all need to vent at times, but these post are rather long and extensive I'm wondering why someone so busy still has the time for YT posting and not training when presenting such a severe situation-I think time management seems to be an equally imperative issue as considering (really considering) re-homing or the realization of putting out the effort in changing the situation. Awh well what do I know I've been on here for like a week straight reading and posting killing time trying to feel proactive, yet not being able to do anything in my situation-of course my situation requires a veterinary appointment (who goes out of town for two weeks at Thanksgiving!?...a vet does!) and secondary consultation with a neurologist, not basic effort on my part.

Luvdogs2 11-30-2010 02:39 PM

Concrete,

The long posts usually come from times when I have a moment to spare, like when I'm waiting for class to begin or something. I don't spend any time on YT when I'm at home and my fiance is home too. I like YT and all, but I love her and we don't see enough of each other so I use my time wisely. Bdog isn't sitting in her crate while I am on the forum here (if I'm home of course).

Also, I can type ridiculously fast so those long posts really aren't as time consuming as one might think.

As far as the muzzle goes, I know Bdog has one, but I've never seen it...don't even know where it is kept. I don't think it's even necessary to have one in the house for her. She is extremely protective of her food and momma. I misunderstood your post regarding the use of a muzzle and thought you were suggesting using it at night. I think it was just a hiccup in the communication there, please excuse me for that.

Elle,
Grammar is just as important as spelling, I'm just saying it to say it. That pup is not a tiny child that is helpless. If she ran away, she would survive on hunting and basic instincts alone, and she would be much more successful doing so than most people I know. The only thing she would have to fear on her survival would be predators.

I'm telling you that until this semester is over, it is pointless for me to make any schedule that would involve trainers. My fiance understands this as we don't plan or schedule anything....not even dinner at home on the days she has off. If you can point out a trainer that works past midnight or later, I'll be utterly surprised. Midnight isn't just an arbitrary time I chose, that's when the fiance gets off work...and she doesn't work Monday through Friday. She is scheduled any day of the week and no set pattern.

Yesterday, I left at 6am with the idea I would be home shortly before 3:30pm so I didn't pack a lunch. I got home at 1am... One group wanted to meet, a lab report needed to be reworked, I had a meeting at 5 with a professor about an upcoming trip to L.A. to go to Jay Leno's garage....etc.

My point is like I said before...a trainer is a good idea, but my schedule says "good luck trying to set something up."

Until my time isn't constrained like this, I'm using the ideas and suggestions given by the forums.

Elle 11-30-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3342916)
Concrete,

The long posts usually come from times when I have a moment to spare, like when I'm waiting for class to begin or something. I don't spend any time on YT when I'm at home and my fiance is home too. I like YT and all, but I love her and we don't see enough of each other so I use my time wisely. Bdog isn't sitting in her crate while I am on the forum here (if I'm home of course).

Also, I can type ridiculously fast so those long posts really aren't as time consuming as one might think.

As far as the muzzle goes, I know Bdog has one, but I've never seen it...don't even know where it is kept. I don't think it's even necessary to have one in the house for her. She is extremely protective of her food and momma. I misunderstood your post regarding the use of a muzzle and thought you were suggesting using it at night. I think it was just a hiccup in the communication there, please excuse me for that.

Elle,
Grammar is just as important as spelling, I'm just saying it to say it.
That pup is not a tiny child that is helpless. If she ran away, she would survive on hunting and basic instincts alone, and she would be much more successful doing so than most people I know. The only thing she would have to fear on her survival would be predators.

I'm telling you that until this semester is over, it is pointless for me to make any schedule that would involve trainers. My fiance understands this as we don't plan or schedule anything....not even dinner at home on the days she has off. If you can point out a trainer that works past midnight or later, I'll be utterly surprised. Midnight isn't just an arbitrary time I chose, that's when the fiance gets off work...and she doesn't work Monday through Friday. She is scheduled any day of the week and no set pattern.

Yesterday, I left at 6am with the idea I would be home shortly before 3:30pm so I didn't pack a lunch. I got home at 1am... One group wanted to meet, a lab report needed to be reworked, I had a meeting at 5 with a professor about an upcoming trip to L.A. to go to Jay Leno's garage....etc.

My point is like I said before...a trainer is a good idea, but my schedule says "good luck trying to set something up."

Until my time isn't constrained like this, I'm using the ideas and suggestions given by the forums.

For the record, we have an Ellie here. I don't care how you feel about my grammar, who are you to go there? There's an old saying, "don't bite the hand that feeds you".

nana911 11-30-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3342916)
Also, I can type ridiculously fast so those long posts really aren't as time consuming as one might think.


That pup is not a tiny child that is helpless. If she ran away, she would survive on hunting and basic instincts alone, and she would be much more successful doing so than most people I know. The only thing she would have to fear on her survival would be predators.

Jay Leno's garage.

Until my time isn't constrained like this, I'm using the ideas and suggestions given by the forums.

Congrats on your typing prowess. Careful on the name dropping or wikileak will figure out who you are and out you. You have time to house shop???????????????????

You have no idea what kind of dog you have. After everything that everyone has told you, you can still make this ridiculous statement. We have bred the ability to survive in the wild out of this particular breed!!!!!!!
We have bred Yorkshire Terriers to be dependent on us!!!!!!! Like it or not, that is the way it is. With that attitude you will never GET IT!!!

Sorry Ann....

Luvdogs2 11-30-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nana911 (Post 3343179)
Congrats on your typing prowess. Careful on the name dropping or wikileak will figure out who you are and out you. You have time to house shop???????????????????

You have no idea what kind of dog you have. After everything that everyone has told you, you can still make this ridiculous statement. We have bred the ability to survive in the wild out of this particular breed!!!!!!!
We have bred Yorkshire Terriers to be dependent on us!!!!!!! Like it or not, that is the way it is. With that attitude you will never GET IT!!!

Sorry Ann....

Thank you for the compliment. I just have had a lot of practice on typing with school and conversing over chat with friends around the world.

I'm not sure what you mean about the name dropping. If you are referring to Leno, I'd hardly be worried there could be some issues with that. The program I'm in at school has been invited to go to LA and partake in a tour of his car collection. I was working with the department head on setting up the trip and offering ideas. I'm trying to get my fiance to come out too. She likes cars, but she's worried about spending a little money when we are saving for the wedding.

House shopping, no...there isn't time for that right now, but we will be experiencing a change in the schedule I'm in now at the end of December. I was just asking my fiance if she would like to start looking into what kinds of houses so when we do have more time that we can start looking and pricing them.

I do know what kind of dog this is, but my statement wasn't ridiculous at all. Dogs may lack in advanced cognitive thought process, but they excel in their natural abilities. Senses of smell and instincts give them a significant advantage over people. You have to remember that these pups were bred and used to kill varmints in mines and such. I can tell you that Coyotes in my area don't kill and eat deer, they get bunnies and field mice and the occasional bird or deer carcass. I don't believe a Yorkie would fend well at high elevation or in rocky terrain, but to think they would wither up and keel over in a week without food is a gross understatement on their abilities to survive. Now, one thing they have not been exposed to is to avoid predators. They continually lose their sense of caution around large birds or larger animals that would do them harm or worse.

We didn't breed any animal to be dependent on us. I'm sorry to argue your statement here, but we domesticated and bred animals to serve purposes for us. The bulldog to grab bulls and other farm animals by the snout to help bring down large animals like that. The Australian Cattle Dog was bred for herding. The Chihuahua....well, I can't really answer that one other than I suppose to put them in purses or satchels - hahaha.

I do get these dogs and a pretty good idea on what I need to do. Just because I have a belief in the abilities of these dogs doesn't mean that I don't know anything or that I'm a jerk for thinking that way. So I don't think a breed of dog is helpless and 100% dependent on a person...that doesn't change the fact that I know what I should be doing and where to go on the training. It's not like I'm not feeding her because she can catch her own food or not bringing her in the house because she can find her own shelter....

concretegurl 11-30-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nana911 (Post 3343179)
Congrats on your typing prowess. Careful on the name dropping or wikileak will figure out who you are and out you. You have time to house shop???????????????????

You have no idea what kind of dog you have. After everything that everyone has told you, you can still make this ridiculous statement. We have bred the ability to survive in the wild out of this particular breed!!!!!!!
We have bred Yorkshire Terriers to be dependent on us!!!!!!! Like it or not, that is the way it is. With that attitude you will never GET IT!!!

Sorry Ann....

Thanks for pointing that out. I was about to comment that a Yorkie definitely wouldn't survive on its own and just the idea someone suggests such a thing is revolting.
Luvdogs2, I know my Yorkie hunts mice (rats, neighbor girl's hamster) like a lil mad man, but he only wants to thrash and kill not to eat-he doesn't understand hunting for food, he's the very definition of a lap dog completely dependent upon me and people pleasing-I'm not sure how someone could spend time even a small amount with a Yorkie and not notice how people dependent they are...people pleasers! I'm definitely not a Yorkie expert but I have a Yorkie, Schnorkie and Miniature Schnauzer the difference between the personalities and BREED TRAITS of my Yorkie and Miniature schnauzer are so drastic and they are both terriers.
Again time management and effort are the underlying issues here until that's realized there can't be any effort in even taking the steps to start turning this around. I reread just about the whole forum tonight while I was waiting for a phone call and while feeding my dogs just before I had to let them out to go potty and well (wow multitasking) it's just so sad. There's no shame in re-homing a dog it shows that you have the best interests of the dog at heart and are willing to do the right thing verses continuing a cycle that's sad for everyone involved. I'm saying all this because I care, not to make you feel bad or anything else besides genuine concern.

nana911 11-30-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3343253)
Thank you for the compliment. I just have had a lot of practice on typing with school and conversing over chat with friends around the world.

I'm not sure what you mean about the name dropping. If you are referring to Leno, I'd hardly be worried there could be some issues with that. The program I'm in at school has been invited to go to LA and partake in a tour of his car collection. I was working with the department head on setting up the trip and offering ideas. I'm trying to get my fiance to come out too. She likes cars, but she's worried about spending a little money when we are saving for the wedding.

House shopping, no...there isn't time for that right now, but we will be experiencing a change in the schedule I'm in now at the end of December. I was just asking my fiance if she would like to start looking into what kinds of houses so when we do have more time that we can start looking and pricing them.

I do know what kind of dog this is, but my statement wasn't ridiculous at all. Dogs may lack in advanced cognitive thought process, but they excel in their natural abilities. Senses of smell and instincts give them a significant advantage over people. You have to remember that these pups were bred and used to kill varmints in mines and such. I can tell you that Coyotes in my area don't kill and eat deer, they get bunnies and field mice and the occasional bird or deer carcass. I don't believe a Yorkie would fend well at high elevation or in rocky terrain, but to think they would wither up and keel over in a week without food is a gross understatement on their abilities to survive. Now, one thing they have not been exposed to is to avoid predators. They continually lose their sense of caution around large birds or larger animals that would do them harm or worse.

We didn't breed any animal to be dependent on us. I'm sorry to argue your statement here, but we domesticated and bred animals to serve purposes for us. The bulldog to grab bulls and other farm animals by the snout to help bring down large animals like that. The Australian Cattle Dog was bred for herding. The Chihuahua....well, I can't really answer that one other than I suppose to put them in purses or satchels - hahaha.

I do get these dogs and a pretty good idea on what I need to do. Just because I have a belief in the abilities of these dogs doesn't mean that I don't know anything or that I'm a jerk for thinking that way. So I don't think a breed of dog is helpless and 100% dependent on a person...that doesn't change the fact that I know what I should be doing and where to go on the training. It's not like I'm not feeding her because she can catch her own food or not bringing her in the house because she can find her own shelter....

You are absolutely correct on cattle dogs etc... Please research the history of the breed you currently have living with you. This breed was NOT BRED TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BE A LAPDOG. That is it. Earlier ancestors of the yorkshire terriers were fantastic hunters, survivalists, etc... but along the line, some fancy ladies decided they wanted to crossbreed to make a lap dog. And then perfect it to enter it into the very earliest dog shows. So, you will see traits of the hunter but that is vastly different from your statements. You, sir, do not have in your home a heeler, cattle dog, border collie, pitbull or any other canine that you can leave alone to survive.

Please check the name of this forum. Please search this forum for all questions on the breed, history of the breed, care and training of the breed. Spend your time doing that instead of house shopping for a relationship that.....nevermind...rehome the poor dog... people with narcissistic personalities, will say what they need to say to keep the conversation going while they continue to point out why they are right, all from a position of arrogance, which you have done since you arrived here. when she does something right, I would imagine your tone is one of congratulatory condescension....rehome her...six years in a crate...rehome her....

I'm done, I believe I may have actually broken rules for the first time... there is no reasoning with an egoist, therefore, I bow out...

Britster 11-30-2010 09:07 PM

I've skimmed this thread and don't really have anything to add. Other than I don't believe Yorkies were bred to be lap dogs. People turn them into lap dogs. They are terriers first and foremost. And no, I do not believe a Yorkie would survive in the wild for very long... simply because of their size alone, but instincts, believe it or not, are still genetically in an animal. Ever seen your dog try to bury a bone? That's instinct. Or dig their 'bed' before they sleep? Instinct. Little instincts are still in our dog every single day and they would come out in an emergency situation.

Just wanted to add that little comment, however I am in NO way condoning or in agreement at ALL with the OP.

concretegurl 11-30-2010 09:31 PM

Huh I read somewhere that Yorkies were first made popular as (they coined the phase lap dogs with them) during the Victorian era, as they were indoor "ratters" that exactly as said before some lady found interesting and thus like the Chinese imperial they were beyond domesticated.Bred for traits of people pleasing and dependence and an extreme want to be the center of attention from people. Amazing that Yorkies are one of the most aggressive breeds! I can see how having a lap dog in the days you actually needed the ratter instinct was appealing-your little snuggler that was multi-functional in jumping down and going crazy on a mouse that might wonder in to the room, kill it and then jump back to their person seeking approval and returning to sitting and continuing petting and grooming... I have a friend who's mother breeds Yorkies in England...I'll try to get an email response from her on the history showing that and I'll post it here for everyone to see, I just went from memory for this but I'm pretty confident as it was what turned me on to the breed in the first place...
this isn't the link but read this from here too
http://www.dogtraininghut.com/terrie...re-terrier.php
"You can say that the Yorkies developed into tough breeds because of their ancestors' reputation as rat-hunters. However, their size, and playful and bright character have actually captured the attention and affection of most pet owners. Most proud owners would boast that they have the great giants inside the bodies of these little dogs. If you want a small but terrible breed of dog, grab a Yorkie now! Just a friendly reminder, they would really need your attention and companionship than any other terriers."

concretegurl 11-30-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3343312)
Huh I read somewhere that Yorkies were first made popular as (they coined the phase lap dogs with them) during the Victorian era, as they were indoor "ratters" that exactly as said before some lady found interesting and thus like the Chinese imperial they were beyond domesticated.Bred for traits of people pleasing and dependence and an extreme want to be the center of attention from people. Amazing that Yorkies are one of the most aggressive breeds! I can see how having a lap dog in the days you actually needed the ratter instinct was appealing-your little snuggler that was multi-functional in jumping down and going crazy on a mouse that might wonder in to the room, kill it and then jump back to their person seeking approval and returning to sitting and continuing petting and grooming... I have a friend who's mother breeds Yorkies in England...I'll try to get an email response from her on the history showing that and I'll post it here for everyone to see, I just went from memory for this but I'm pretty confident as it was what turned me on to the breed in the first place...
this isn't the link but read this from here too
Terrier Dogs | The Popular Pet and Lap Dog: Yorkshire Terrier
"You can say that the Yorkies developed into tough breeds because of their ancestors' reputation as rat-hunters. However, their size, and playful and bright character have actually captured the attention and affection of most pet owners. Most proud owners would boast that they have the great giants inside the bodies of these little dogs. If you want a small but terrible breed of dog, grab a Yorkie now! Just a friendly reminder, they would really need your attention and companionship than any other terriers."

My link and quote got cut short but here it is in completion:
In 1870, a "broken-haired Scotch terrier" was named as a Yorkshire terrier by a reporter. He argued that the breed should be called as such because his types were bred in a town called Yorkshire.

Though the Yorkies were originally bred as working dogs, they became fashionable pets is England in the latter part of the Victorian era. In 1972, Yorkies were brought to the United States and became the country's favorite pet.

You can say that the Yorkies developed into tough breeds because of their ancestors' reputation as rat-hunters. However, their size, and playful and bright character have actually captured the attention and affection of most pet owners. Most proud owners would boast that they have the great giants inside the bodies of these little dogs. If you want a small but terrible breed of dog, grab a Yorkie now! Just a friendly reminder, they would really need your attention and companionship than any other terriers.
Terrier Dogs | The Popular Pet and Lap Dog: Yorkshire Terrier

Britster 11-30-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3343322)
My link and quote got cut short but here it is in completion:
In 1870, a "broken-haired Scotch terrier" was named as a Yorkshire terrier by a reporter. He argued that the breed should be called as such because his types were bred in a town called Yorkshire.

Though the Yorkies were originally bred as working dogs, they became fashionable pets is England in the latter part of the Victorian era. In 1972, Yorkies were brought to the United States and became the country's favorite pet.

You can say that the Yorkies developed into tough breeds because of their ancestors' reputation as rat-hunters. However, their size, and playful and bright character have actually captured the attention and affection of most pet owners. Most proud owners would boast that they have the great giants inside the bodies of these little dogs. If you want a small but terrible breed of dog, grab a Yorkie now! Just a friendly reminder, they would really need your attention and companionship than any other terriers.
Terrier Dogs | The Popular Pet and Lap Dog: Yorkshire Terrier

Oh yes, I'm not denying that they became 'lap dogs' or 'fashionable dogs'. I just meant they they are still genetically DOGS and DO still have survival instincts. And that were FIRST originally bred to be ratters... so yes, of course they do still have that in them.

The Yorkie was created by working men of north England, who developed the breed for catching the terrible rats and mice that infested clothing mills and mine shafts. These hunting dogs could penetrate into badger and fox burrows. The breed is not very old, but its origins are not entirely certain. However, it seems likely that Scotsmen seeking work in the woolen mills of Yorkshire brought with them various types of terrier, including the Skye Terrier, Dandie Dinmont, Manchester Terrier, Maltese and the now extinct Clydesdale. These were then crossed with local types, such as the long- haired Leeds Terrier. At first, the Yorkie was a much bigger animal than the one we see today, but by selectively breeding the smallest individuals, the dog was gradually miniaturized over the years. They were made into a fashion dog. Women carried these little dogs in their bags and under their arms. The Yorkshire Terrier was first recognized by the AKC in 1885.

concretegurl 11-30-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 3343324)
Oh yes, I'm not denying that they became 'lap dogs' or 'fashionable dogs'. I just meant they they are still genetically DOGS and DO still have survival instincts. And that were FIRST originally bred to be ratters... so yes, of course they do still have that in them.
At first, the Yorkie was a much bigger animal than the one we see today, but by selectively breeding the smallest individuals, the dog was gradually miniaturized over the years. They were made into a fashion dog. Women carried these little dogs in their bags and under their arms. The Yorkshire Terrier was first recognized by the AKC in 1885.

Yeah totally that was where I was going in pointing out breed traits, I wasn't no agreeing with you I totally am I was just going on about- I can't find what I'm looking for on the internet right now-something to the effect Yorkshires can be divided into two diverse stocks one the larger that maintained the worker old "ratter traits" and about the ones that became popular house dogs in the Victorian Era and how that was the first time they were downsized as a breed standard to use them as companion pets and how certain genetic (behavioral) traits were encouraged (different from previous) like they were bred to display a need to be center of attention and so on-I remember also something about some controversy when the AKC announced the standard being in the middle of these two lines and not separating them because they weren't diverse enough or something-off topic for this thread sorry i was just using all this to show that Yorkies are especially people pleasing and are in general known to be a "high maintenance" attention needing dog--but does anyone have the correct terms and names and -well in general know what the heck I'm talking about:rolleyes:-the first know downsizing and the two "original" lines of them and so on....?

Luvdogs2 12-01-2010 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 3343301)
I've skimmed this thread and don't really have anything to add. Other than I don't believe Yorkies were bred to be lap dogs. People turn them into lap dogs. They are terriers first and foremost. And no, I do not believe a Yorkie would survive in the wild for very long... simply because of their size alone, but instincts, believe it or not, are still genetically in an animal. Ever seen your dog try to bury a bone? That's instinct. Or dig their 'bed' before they sleep? Instinct. Little instincts are still in our dog every single day and they would come out in an emergency situation.

Just wanted to add that little comment, however I am in NO way condoning or in agreement at ALL with the OP.

Well thanks I suppose...You know, I'm pretty sure a Least Weasel is smaller than a Yorkie, and they survive in the wild. They are the smallest carnivore at about 10 inches long at max. Size has nothing to do with survivability. I will go further to say that since the Yorkie doesn't have an undercoat, they cannot retain heat like other dogs, so winters would have a pretty low survivability to them.

I know everyone out there has different opinions and ideas, and it can be awful hard to think about our pets as animals as what they truly are sometimes. Dogs are a carnivore and a similar species as a wolf. Nature and humans have taken regional species and bred them between each other and after thousands of years, we have the separate breeds we see today. When it all comes down to it though, they are hunters and though some are large, others are small and everything in between, they used to hunt for their food and eat their prey.

Did you all know that Dalmatians weren't kept at the fire departments because they were cute and they looked good at the firehouses? They were kept there because the volunteer departments didn't have people that slept there at all times so they kept the dalmatians at the houses as guard dogs.


Now, I need to give you all an update. Guess who is learning the speak at the door a little better but will go up to the other doors and instead of jumping up on them will sit down and look up to you? Yeah buddy!! She's learning the sit and being a bit more calm. What I'm REALLY impressed with is she's learning "Heel" just about perfect. She still puts some tension on the leash at times, but for the most part she's walking right next to you and there is slack in the leash. She used to just tear down the hallway and just about bottom out her leash (you couldn't stop her or call her back). It's a good thing the apartment door isn't further down the hall or she'd hurt herself.

I have a question, does any of you out there with a Yorkie find them kind of grunting or "squealing" like a little pig? Like a grunt through the nose - squealing isn't really the best description. It's pretty cute how she does this...and it's only going in or out of the apartment as we are walking down the hall. I've never seen a dog do this.

TaylorWoods 12-01-2010 12:40 AM

Sounds like you really hate the poor dog - I feel desperately sorry for the animal in this case. Dogs need time, attention, exercise, love, discipline and training to mention only a few.

For a man claiming to have 24 years experience in dog handling and training you sure dont know much. And by discipline I think it's pretty disgusting that you could physically hit a small dog like that. Or any animal infact. You should rule by your leadership qualities and control the pack, even if your pack only has one member...not rule by fear. Do you have any idea that hitting an animal, especially one so small, could cause brain damage or broken bones? you admit to hitting the dog in the face. If you are an average sized man weighing 80kgs that means that you are at least FORTY times the dogs size, not to mention strength. Who taught you THAT method in those 24 years of yours?? Someone I loved abused me once...he justified it by saying he never punched me or hit me, but abuse is abuse no matter the level of intensity. the same man claimed he could never hurt me...he hit my dog regularly...then he hurt me...left me black and blue but claimed it wasnt abusive because he only threw me around into things and slapped me a little. It's called denial....

I get upset with my dogs too, but I take their circumstances into account before acting on impulse. Most times they are acting out because they are frustrated or need something from me. And I remember that we communicate in a different way. I have never raised a hand to mine and I have 2 well balanced, YOUNG dogs with manners worth talking about. They are welcome in anyone's home, the are polite, they dont beg, they do their business outside 99% of the time which i am personally happy with, and they wear big happy grins on their faces every day. I treat them with love and kindness. And in the long run I bought them and that means that i knowingly took on a responsibilty to love them and care for them for the rest of their lives. The same way you did when you KNOWINGLY started to date your fiance who KNOWINGLY bought the dog.

If you dont have the time to walk the dog then you should pay someone to take him out daily. or get up earlier than normal and walk him. I walk mine at 4:30am so that im home early enough to feed them, play with them, make sure they have everything they need for the day and then i go to work. during which time they are either at home playing safely in a yard and the neighbour kindly checks on them, or they go to my parents house for a play date and social time with her dogs. Dogs cant be cooped up, ALONE all day every day and be expected to be well balanced.

If you and your fiance are never at home and arent willing to make small changes to your lifestyle to include and help the dog then the dog should be placed in a home that will give him what he needs physically, emotionally, educationally and devote their time to him as a responsible dog owner.

Perhaps you should watch those programs by Cesar Milan - he trains people...you need training. you might think you have spent 24 years training dogs but you have forgotten about training yourself on how to behave. You're the "big tough human" who rules the house by fear and picks on those who are weaker. Your fiance (who apparently is "THE fiance - how rude! you speak of her and the dog in the same third party manner. If i read your post i would be really insulted) can rehabilitate the dog. Remember she had the dog before she had you - if my fiance laid a hand on any of my animals or me in rage and anger I would throw him out. I dont stand for animal abuse of any kind. You worry about the dog biting your kid...I worry about you flying into a rage and hitting your child like you do the dog...because with children you have ZERO years experience...that's 24 less than you have with dogs and you sure arent great there! by the time you have 24 years experience with kids your kids will be treating their pets and kids the same way as you do.

YES, the dog needs some discipline and some guidance - it is like a child who has never been educated. Would you slap your child in anger when you have never taught him or her how to behave? Dogs often bite out of fear. Can the dog see properly through the hair on it's face??? are his eyes ok? is he fearful? he wont bite for no reason! You have to remember that dogs are intelligent, emotional animals that dont respond to anger and violence. if i was to live in a crate day in and day out with no exercise and i had to urinate and defecate where i ate i would bite you too.

i also got the odd hiding as a child, but NEVER out of anger - that's my point. it was never a reflex to turn around and hit me because i misbehaved. My parents would discipline me when we got home, never in public, talk about what i had done and guide me the right way. If i had been promised a hiding i got one, not with a belt!and when I had done well i was rewarded...do you ever once stop and reward your dog when he/she (or IT!) has done something good? do you give him a treat when he does get out his crate and go potty outside?

Here's hoping that you find the dog a good home where someone will devote time to him and help him learn. There will be plenty of people on this site willing to take the dog from you and rehabilitate him im sure. If i didnt live on the other side of the world i would give him a home.

Your fiance may spoil the dog by feeding it too much but im sure she feels she is doing the right thing OUT OF LIVE. maybe she needs a little guidance but not everyone knows everything. You on the other hand need some serious help.

All JMHO of course - my day however is ruined and I will probably spend days wondering about how this poor little dog is being treated. Shame, I often look at my dogs and think how lucky they are to be in such a loving home, as am I, with a man who loves us, respects us and doesnt slap us around. If I was your fiance i wouldnt let YOU into the house...the dog would sleep in the bed! I feel better getting that off my chest in the dog's defense!!!!!

TaylorWoods 12-01-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3335731)
I need to point something out here, I'm not a caveman and I didn't say "MY house" I said "OUR house" and because we will be a married couple, we either agree on something or it doesn't happen. I'm not buying new furniture or remodeling to have an animal pee or poop all over it! I'm especially not buying new furniture or remodeling to have an animal pee or poop all over it because the "mother" of the animal won't train it properly or follow some simple instructions to help get this under control.

I need to explain further here, the dog is out when my fiance is home and does not get out while she is at work or bed time. She takes it to the dog park and does take it out, but my fiance is not sensible on this ownership or training.

The dog has a good quality of life, just a poor trainer for 6+ years. The dog needs an overhaul or she's going "over the fence" soon. (over the fence as in finding another home.)


WOWEEE!!! all humans in the house need to be pack leaders - a dog cant only have ONE person it responds and listens to. you really are clueless. This poor dog stands no chance in YOUR home. Your aggression is "over the fence" and then your justification of your statement is just crazy...I cant even comment - this post is making me more and more angry:mad:

TaylorWoods 12-01-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3335736)
No offense, but I have not used names to protect anonymity. "the dog" "the fiance" and lack of signature...

I'm just keeping it general to keep it anonymous.

Is it shame? Do you think some crazy bunch of Yorkie lovers might ambush your house and save your dog from the life it leads? What should we call you? "The Boss"????

TaylorWoods 12-01-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Luvdogs2 (Post 3335767)
Ok, I'd like to make this easier so I'm asking those with experience (which is why I'm here to begin with) so everyone can be happy and live out the days with this dog and enjoy the life while it is here.

1. Bathroom in the house with no hint or expression the dog needs to go. - This is a yorkie thing, it takes time, patience and commitment (Scary word i know!) and some never get it right...Move on.
2. Getting on the table or into things and tearing them up. - Frustration and attention seeking in my opinion. Mine sneak their jerseys and toys off the coffee table too which is naughty but then i bring them back to basics and give them something else to do in its place. Remember firm but kind, aim the dog away from bad behaviour and towards something good rather.
3. Biting - probably a defense mechanism to you hitting her - eye problems can also be a legitimate problem causing fear. A dog that can't see or has hair across it's face can be snappy and scared.
4. Growling and snapping inside the kennel when I walk by to go to bed. - I would also do the same thing to you because that is what you do to her. you "bark" and "snap" at him/her and lash out in anger.


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