Heart broke

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. I've people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you (general you) hold all the answers and that you (general you) are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone.

bolded added as a courtesy...-

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. I've people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone.

So many of your thoughts bring up so many bad memories that have happened on YT...and so many people helped only to have their hearts ripped open and their pocketbooks emptied...and now we have people walking on water......it never ends.

[DamSweet]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

I am hoping that the Mods will leave this up and let us do a little healing.

I am just so upset about Mindy and the out come of the last few days of trying to get her to help.

We involved really wanted to reach out and get that little one safe and it is very tough when we fail.
The owner is not here to defend herself so it is not fair to comment anymore on the situation but maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help.

I really do not like loosing a dog that I think could have got help and could have been saved.

So for the next time and there will be what do we do differnet.

JL

I’m sure I’m not going to make a lot of friends with this but as much as I love making friends – my main concern is my Bridget, and what I can learn about her and the breed – not that I wouldn’t be willing to help anyone if I could. I haven’t been here long but have been following this little girls fate and reading all (most) of the posts to the 3 threads concerning Mindy . I only have one question…..is all this what the OP meant when she said “let us do a little healing.”? “maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help” or “So for the next time and there will be what do we do different”.? We can point all the fingers we want now – but that isn’t changing where Mindy is today – what’s done is done – and I think we need to see if anything can be done to help her…..by anyone!

I’m sure everyone tried to help in what they thought was right, but it seems to me that there were “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Some one needs to be the chef – someone with rescue experience. We all want to help – but are not professionally knowledgeable – sometimes we do more damage than good.

I was glad to see this thread start because I thought it would be full of positive information that could be used to help with the next rescue, if not possibly help resume Mindy plight. Whether it be who can travel to pick up the puppy – who has contacts with a rescue, who is good at talking to the current owner to persuade them to surrender the dog without causing a lot of problems….after all the main concern at that point is the poor dog that needs to get out of whatever situation it’s in.

I’m not without fault – I posted slamming Mindys owner when I saw the post that said she had decided to put her to sleep. In an ideal situation the correct and qualified person should have been notified to try to convince her that her situation isn’t hopeless. I know (or think I know) that several people have tried – but I can only imagine that this owner felt like Mindy feels in a house with 2 litters of puppies….overwhelmed and lost as to where to turn or who to trust. That is where a TEAM comes in. Someone (key word is ONE) is a mediator and the rest there for support.

OK – I’m done – I guess as someone not here long – I have a lot to learn. Maybe there needs to be a special forum for feuds.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

Wow....there are times when I think you're a mind reader...are you?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

True LOL I think we have seen it all over the years. Nothing surprises me on here anyway

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by DamSweet

I’m sure I’m not going to make a lot of friends with this but as much as I love making friends – my main concern is my Bridget, and what I can learn about her and the breed – not that I wouldn’t be willing to help anyone if I could. I haven’t been here long but have been following this little girls fate and reading all (most) of the posts to the 3 threads concerning Mindy . I only have one question…..is all this what the OP meant when she said “let us do a little healing.”? “maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help” or “So for the next time and there will be what do we do different”.? We can point all the fingers we want now – but that isn’t changing where Mindy is today – what’s done is done – and I think we need to see if anything can be done to help her…..by anyone!

I’m sure everyone tried to help in what they thought was right, but it seems to me that there were “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Some one needs to be the chef – someone with rescue experience. We all want to help – but are not professionally knowledgeable – sometimes we do more damage than good.

I was glad to see this thread start because I thought it would be full of positive information that could be used to help with the next rescue, if not possibly help resume Mindy plight. Whether it be who can travel to pick up the puppy – who has contacts with a rescue, who is good at talking to the current owner to persuade them to surrender the dog without causing a lot of problems….after all the main concern at that point is the poor dog that needs to get out of whatever situation it’s in.

I’m not without fault – I posted slamming Mindys owner when I saw the post that said she had decided to put her to sleep. In an ideal situation the correct and qualified person should have been notified to try to convince her that her situation isn’t hopeless. I know (or think I know) that several people have tried – but I can only imagine that this owner felt like Mindy feels in a house with 2 litters of puppies….overwhelmed and lost as to where to turn or who to trust. That is where a TEAM comes in. Someone (key word is ONE) is a mediator and the rest there for support.

OK – I’m done – I guess as someone not here long – I have a lot to learn. Maybe there needs to be a special forum for feuds.

I think you make lots of valid points. I didn't see too many people meddle, and towards the end of the Mindy thread, I thought I'd put my two cents in as a last ditch effort. I think by that point rescues were getting weary and so was the person who had Mindy.

This thread, I can only guess, started because there were a lot of hurt feelings that someone would just give up on Mindy, or seemingly give up on Mindy. While not everyone posted in Mindy's thread, a lot of people read and read hoping for a happy ending. There were a lot of angry feelings, and venting is a way of healing. It seems that this is the second rescue attempt that has gone awry and just ended badly this year. Why is that? Someone, somewhere is undermining rescue efforts. Why else would people be suddenly afraid or unwilling to turn to a rescue when they are in over their head?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by DaisyMom

I agree with chachi. It takes time to get to know the YT community. There is a lot of experience and knowledge to be gained from the more established members. I also think that any member who chooses to take general comments personally and is subsequently constantly defending themselves is actually inciting additional conflict just by responding so emotionally. Sometimes you just have to take the high road................

Exactly!

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Wow....there are times when I think you're a mind reader...are you?

She would have to have a mind for that...

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I think you make lots of valid points. I didn't see too many people meddle, and towards the end of the Mindy thread, I thought I'd put my two cents in as a last ditch effort. I think by that point rescues were getting weary and so was the person who had Mindy.

This thread, I can only guess, started because there were a lot of hurt feelings that someone would just give up on Mindy, or seemingly give up on Mindy. While not everyone posted in Mindy's thread, a lot of people read and read hoping for a happy ending. There were a lot of angry feelings, and venting is a way of healing. It seems that this is the second rescue attempt that has gone awry and just ended badly this year. Why is that? Someone, somewhere is undermining rescue efforts. Why else would people be suddenly afraid or unwilling to turn to a rescue when they are in over their head?

Hmmm...coincidence? Not! This time was a undoubtedly heinous act to undermine those who had Mindy's true welfare in mind.

Unfortunately, those who'd like to spend all day coddling & sugar coating every word to the owner who should surrender apparently think they know something better than most seasoned in rescue.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by DamSweet

I’m sure I’m not going to make a lot of friends with this but as much as I love making friends – my main concern is my Bridget, and what I can learn about her and the breed – not that I wouldn’t be willing to help anyone if I could. I haven’t been here long but have been following this little girls fate and reading all (most) of the posts to the 3 threads concerning Mindy . I only have one question…..is all this what the OP meant when she said “let us do a little healing.”? “maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help” or “So for the next time and there will be what do we do different”.? We can point all the fingers we want now – but that isn’t changing where Mindy is today – what’s done is done – and I think we need to see if anything can be done to help her…..by anyone!

I’m sure everyone tried to help in what they thought was right, but it seems to me that there were “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Some one needs to be the chef – someone with rescue experience. We all want to help – but are not professionally knowledgeable – sometimes we do more damage than good.

I was glad to see this thread start because I thought it would be full of positive information that could be used to help with the next rescue, if not possibly help resume Mindy plight. Whether it be who can travel to pick up the puppy – who has contacts with a rescue, who is good at talking to the current owner to persuade them to surrender the dog without causing a lot of problems….after all the main concern at that point is the poor dog that needs to get out of whatever situation it’s in.

I’m not without fault – I posted slamming Mindys owner when I saw the post that said she had decided to put her to sleep. In an ideal situation the correct and qualified person should have been notified to try to convince her that her situation isn’t hopeless. I know (or think I know) that several people have tried – but I can only imagine that this owner felt like Mindy feels in a house with 2 litters of puppies….overwhelmed and lost as to where to turn or who to trust. That is where a TEAM comes in. Someone (key word is ONE) is a mediator and the rest there for support.

OK – I’m done – I guess as someone not here long – I have a lot to learn. Maybe there needs to be a special forum for feuds.

I know it is tough to just come onto this forum and understand what is going on and I am sure at times it looks like a lot of the members are female dogs but for the most part there is history and in this case there were no exceptions.

The rescue organizations know what to do and in many cases work behind the scenes to try and get the owner to give up the dog(s). In this case this is a person who has repeatly said they have been breeding for over 20 years and trust me she is not overwhelmed with two litters. If you go back and read all of her threads you will see there is more going on with how she sells her puppies. Any good breeder knows you do not let any other dog come around your litters even the dogs that have always lived in the home. Also good breeders know how to separate males and females so there is no oops litter so again this breeder doesn't make sense when she allowed this other dog to get near her puppies...

Also in this case someone who really cares about dogs will not let her dislike of certain people cloud the issue of saving a dogs life because of what has been said here...Again you can read about a lot of the rescues on YT and each case is handled dfferently. You really are not going to see a lot of discussion on this thread because of the difference and the situation. Unless you are involved with a rescue it is best to leave it to them...just like breeding. Unless you are very experienced in it is best left alone.

The bottom line to me is that I am not even a 100% convienced this person even had this dog...to many things do not make sense if you go back and read her posts...you know how you get that gut feeling...well I have it in this case.

[DamSweet]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

Hmmm...coincidence? Not! This time was a undoubtedly heinous act to undermine those who had Mindy's true welfare in mind.

Unfortunately, those who'd like to spend all day coddling & sugar coating every word to the owner who should surrender apparently think they know something better than most seasoned in rescue.

Exactly my point - Only the most seasoned in rescue know how to handle each situation - they have seen all kinds of owners, and not every situation is text-book. Those who are not knowledgeable, need to refrain from interfering and possibly help in a different way. Anyone who is trying to help needs to understand their own limitations of the knowledge they are trying to advise the owner of. They need to understand that they may make matters worse, and possibly cause the most horrible of outcomes.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by Judy in Waco

I try to stay out of heated or controversial threads, but I need to say one thing.

Our YorkieTalk members who VOLUNTEER and give of their free time, energy, money and emotions to help dogs in need by working with actual rescues have my 100% support. We know who you are and we LOVE you! You rock!! Your job is HARD and often thankless. PLEASE do NOT ever think that you are not appreciated. WE (collective "we" of most of the long-time YT donating members and supporters) know who you are and we thank you!!

I'd just like to "echo" this. You all have gone way above and beyond to help these poor dogs and that takes so much of your time, money and energy. Thank You!

You are appreciated!!!

[roseslevi]

Originally Posted by chachi

I think situations where rescue could be needed need to be handled delicately and people should not come out of the woodwork and interfer with it.

I agree.....I admire and respect the professionals involved with rescue.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

!!!!

[mojo]

Now someone is saying that Karla is paying for a trainer for Mindy? I don't believe it for a second. She posted that she didn't have the money to pay for a trainer and she posted she couldn't even afford to ship her dog to a rescue and others stepped in and offered to help with that effort. Now after all the turmoil she is getting and can afford a trainer? Hmmm....
And I don't need somebodys personal email address to hear their side...I clearly heard their side when they insinuated on a public thread that there intentions were to put a dog down because their other dogs and puppies came first. No, you are morally responsible for each and every animal you bring into your home, and she chose to bring that dog into her home.
We all had strong feelings about that thread, most bit our tongues and stepped back and let those who had the ability to legitimately help with the rescue effort do so. Certain people had NO business getting involved in this, not then and still not now.
Such a disappointing outcome.
And as stated previously, many of us have been here a very long time and we can read between the lines. What you say and don't say speaks volumes and people aren't being fooled.